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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 5:30 p.m. MDT

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Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
Everyone knows the PAC wasn't getting Oklahoma without OSU. The discussions were with OSU included, nowhere did I see them not in the discussion during the original push for expansion to 16. That's why in 2011 Oklahoma applied WITH OSU...they were never leaving without them. I know there were contingencies on OSU becoming a tier 1 institution if it all went through, but nowhere did I see them left out of the discussion.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

This is a nice pick up for the Y and especially to help with a strong November game. However it is still a 2 for 1 deal which seems to be the trend for the Cougs when they schedule the big boys. (Some of you can rant all you want but the U didn't need a 2 for 1 to get Michigan on the schedule.)

p.s. to guitarboy - the ESPN relationship has absolutely has nothing to do with the strength of your team. It has everything to do with the fact that there are millions of Mormons across the country and many of them will watch the Y games regardless of their record, talent level, or the team they are playing. That's a good thing for the Y but doesn't in any way mean they have a strong team.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Navel Vet

"Baylor was NEVER part of the original plan! NEVER!"

Not entirely true.

According to OrangeBloods, which broke the original PAC 10/Big 12 South merger story, on Saturday, June 5, 2010, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott laid out several possible expansion scenarios to his league's athletic directors during conference meetings in San Francisco.

According to a source with knowledge of the Pac-10 meetings, Scott made cases to: stay at its current 10-school membership; merge with the entire Big 12; invite six schools from the Big 12, as long as it included Texas; or invite Colorado and Utah.

The source said there was not much enthusiasm for a full-blown merger or for the league to go to 12 schools by adding Colorado and Utah.

Scott also laid out two plans that would involve the six-team invitation to schools in the Big 12. One that included Colorado and one that replaced Colorado with Baylor along with the other members of the Big 12 South.

It's clear that the Utes simply got lucky that things worked out for them; there was never much enthusiasm for adding Utah. Fans around the league still feel that way.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

“There's an enormous difference in playing against PAC-12 schools in a week-in, week-out grind than it is to play against them in a "hit-and-miss" scenario where they get sandwiched in-between the bottom-feeders typically constituting 2-Star byu's schedule.”

Nice try… in the last two years BYU has played 4 PAC12 teams “sandwiched” by the following weaklings: ranked Texas, UCF, Weber State, Ranked Boise State, ranked Utah State, ranked Notre Dame. We did sandwich bottom dwelling OSU with SJSU and ISU and opened 2012 with pancake WSU, but the outcomes of those games were never in question (even Utah can beat those teams).

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Just caught up on the guitarboy/AZUTE1 "debate."

Guitarboy "You also evaded and did not answer (perhaps out of insecurity or fear) my question: What is the UofU's record against PAC teams since 2005?"

AZEUTE1 “Actually, I answered it head-on in my explanation of the difference in playing PAC-12 schools in a week-in, week-out grind as opposed to just simply playing against them every once in a while, which you evaded me on. Was it out of insecurity or fear?”

And later

“Again, I answered you directly, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. Are you afraid to acknowledge it?”

This is a perfect example of what a troll is. To a Ute troll “head-on” and "direct" means I don't have to answer your question because it doesn’t work for me so I’ll change the subject instead. Note: even with him changing the subject guitarboy still wrote reasonable responses to his questions (way to go Guitarboy!).

BTW, The actual “head-on” and "direct" answer is Utah was 11-14 against PAC12 foes from 2005-2012, and 4-3 prior to joining the conference. See, that was easy.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

“I'm curious to know why you feel 2005 is the "appropriate" cut-off point? Why not go back to 2003? Or, how about covering all 15 BCS Era seasons? Why stop at 2005? What's so special about 2005? How about listing, while you're at it, the names of each school beat and their final records/each season you reference?”

The reason he and the rest of us use 2005 as a guideline is because if we go back further than Ute trolls give us a hard time for living in the past and if we only use the last two seasons trolls are upset because it doesn’t include their two good seasons. 2005 is reasonable to any college football fan because it is the beginning of the Mendenhall/Wittingham era.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

Here’s the list you asked for

Wins: Arizona (3-8, 2005), UCLA (6-7, 2007), #18 Oregon State (9-4, 2008), Cal (8-5, 2009), Oregon State (3-9, 2011), Arizona (4-8, 2011), UCLA (6-8, 2011), Washington State (4-8, 2011), Cal (3-9, 2012), Washington State (3-9, 2012), Colorado (1-11, 2012)

Losses: UCLA (7-6, 2006), Oregon State (9-4, 2007), Oregon (10-3, 2009), USC (10-2, 2011), Washington (7-6, 2011), #22 Arizona State (6-7, 2011), Cal (7-6, 2011), Colorado (3-10, 2011), Arizona State (8-5, 2012), #13 USC (7-6, 2012), UCLA (9-5, 2012), #8 Oregon State (9-3, 2012), Washington (7-6, 2012), Arizona (8-5, 2012)

Winning percentage of all the PAC 10/12 teams Utah has faced: 149/158 (.485)
Winning percentage of all the PAC 10/12 teams BYU has faced: 93/107 (.465)

BYU vs. PAC 10/12 teams with winning records: 3-6 (.333)
Utah vs. PAC 10/12 teams with winning records: 2-12 (.143)

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Wiscougarfan

Reasonable answers to an unreasonable critic.

The line of demarcation in Utah sports history is interesting.

Nothing before 2004 counts in football; nothing since 2005 counts in basketball.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Wiscougarfan:
Lol. Buckle Up Wisky...we all know it's not over yet. There's still more left in the spin cycle. I'm just glad you have more patience than I do to deal with all the tangents and changes in argument and shadow dancing.

Reno Cougs Fan 68
Reno, NV

Howard S,

Thanks for trying but BYU has not had a losing season yet as an Indy/Wacer unlike the Utes have had both years in the PAC12!!!

So you are wrong about BYU but dead on about Utah being a bottom feeder!!!

Go Cougs!!!
Go Utes!!!

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Truth Machine

"The source said there was not much enthusiasm for a full-blown merger or for the league to go to 12 schools by adding Colorado and Utah."

Despite the spin from the hill, it's obvious that the PAC 10 had to hold their collective nose when they decided to invite Utah.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougsndawgs

"SoColorado and Utah were "tier 1" research schools and the only ones that made geographical sense, and weren't religiously affiliated schools (TCU would never be "wanted" by the PAC for this reason, despite having as much or more "athletic prowess" as Utah). they HAD to take U or not have a CCG. Spin it how you want, that is the only reason Utah is in the PAC12."

Comments like this are hard for me to read through my tears of laughter. Wow, you people are still steamed because your 30 year old dream of being in the Pac was stolen by your neighbors. I have to say this much for you Cougsndawgs...you got the research institution part right. The rest of your post is nothing more than excuses. Ah, yes...byu, always the victim.

The Pac-12 and Big10 are taking byu's bowl slots. Who will you blame for that? Hint: look no further than Holmoe's independence experiment. LOL!!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: MyPerspective

"Comments like this are hard for me to read through my tears of laughter. Wow, you people are still steamed because your 30 year old dream of being in the Pac was stolen by your neighbors."

I can't speak for others, but my hope has always been the Big 12. It's unlikely we'll ever get an invite, but that would be my "dream." Here's a challenge for MyPerspective or any other troll... please cite actual evidence that ANY real BYU football fan has ever dreamt of joining the PAC 10. You can check the archives here in DesNews that go back several years. I would love to read those comments. According to you there must be many, I'd like to see ONE. Cheers in advance.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

MyPerspective:
"Comments like this are hard for me to read through my tears of laughter. Wow, you people are still steamed because your 30 year old dream of being in the Pac was stolen by your neighbors. I have to say this much for you Cougsndawgs...you got the research institution part right. The rest of your post is nothing more than excuses. Ah, yes...byu, always the victim".

Steamed? Nope. Excuses? Missed again. If you read my post I was responding to NV saying the PAC10 wanted Utah. What he failed to state was that they needed a 12th team to fill a slot for a CCG and there were no better research institutions geographically than Utah and Colorado. So because of their snooty academic requirements they HAD to take a couple of programs lacking in "athletic prowess" (see Rutgers & Maryland...same scenario). They wanted the Denver and SLC markets and tier 1 research schools so they got stuck with U. I'm happy for Utah being in the PAC, I really am, but I've never desired that for BYU. I'd prefer the Big 12 which is a much better cultural fit than the hippy tree-hugger league.

guitarboy
South Jordan, UT

Wiscougarfan you nailed it on the head.

Wiscougarfan writes: "The actual 'head-on' and 'direct' answer [to guitarboy's questions] is Utah was 11-14 against PAC12 foes from 2005-2012, and 4-3 prior to joining the conference. See, that was easy."

BYU, is 9-7 since 2005, against PAC teams.

And Wiscougarfan you are correct, I chose 2005 because that is when Bronco and Kyle both started coaching. I was laughing hard when I was asked why I chose that year. The answer should be obvious to any Utah or BYU fan. It was easy for you, Wiscougarfan, to know the answer.

I actually like Utah. I feel they would have probably beaten Florida in a bowl in 2008, and taken the national championship instead of ending the season #2, if they had not been discriminated against and shafted by the BCS. But it is some of Utah's online fans that, well, yeah.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

guitarboy:
Also "directly" to the point is that BYU is 7-4 against the PAC prior to Utah joining, while Utah is 4-3 (since 2005). As I pointed out to AZUTE in another thread this is the only fair comparison that leaves out his "week in week out grind" excuse. Still advantage BYU. It won't change ute trolls from skewing, distorting, bait and switching, and changing the parameters to be more favorable to their crimson reality.

SLC BYU Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

More misconceptions from posters who know NOTHING about why leagues expand and if school governance boards will allow it.
1-BYU isn't going ANYWHERE but maybe back to the MWC by 2016 with their current governance board lineup, some of whom feel BYU should be more like the smaller liberal arts oriented WCC schools. This more than anything shot down the BYU opportunity back in September/October 2011 to get invited to the Big 12.
2-Utah was a solid backup plan to be a second school to accompany Colorado who wanted to move to the Pac-12 for several years, particularly since the Arizona schools joined the league as far back as the late 1970s.
3-Of any Pac-12 schools not part of the AAU currently, Utah has the best odds of landing in that eleite group since they're the only one of the 4 that has a medical school. This is why it was easy for Pac-12 presidents to settle on Utah. It requires a unanimous vote by Pac-12 bylaws to epxand and accept an institution. BYU, Boise State, Baylor & Okalhoma State NEVER has such support. End of discussion as per Larry Scott.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"Everyone knows the PAC wasn't getting Oklahoma without OSU. The discussions were with OSU included, nowhere did I see them not in the discussion during the original push for expansion to 16."

Yes you did. You stalk me enough to have seen all articles I posted on these threads on WELL more than one occasion. OSU was part of the plan at first, but by the time Scott and Pac-10 were ready to had out invites, it was reported that OSU was NOT getting an invite.

"That's why in 2011 Oklahoma applied WITH OSU...they were never leaving without them."

Just because OU applied with OSU in 2011, that does NOT support that the Cowboys would have been invited had Texas opted to move west. There are 2 points that you need to pay attention to in this matter:

(1) In 2011, the Pac-12 did NOT petition OU and OSU to apply. The petition was OU and OSU to the Pac-12.

(2) The Pac-12 DECLINED their application.

Being "rejected" in 2011 does not insinuated OSU was wanted in 2010.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Untruthful Machine:

I say again, Baylor was NEVER part of the original plan! NEVER!

Baylor might have been part of the plans for some Texas legislators. They might have even been part of Texas' plans. But they were NEVEER part of the Pac-10's. The Pac-10 proposed the merger to Texas and Texas A&M. They were interested in Oklahoma. Tx. Tech was a school the Pac-10 would have been willing to put up with if that was what it'd take to get Texas. THOSE were the Big 12 South schools the Pac-10 petitioned. They did NOT petition Baylor. Baylor injected THEMSELVES into the discussion, and thought they could bully/anklebite their way into the "Pac-16" the same way they bullied/anklebit their way into the Big 12. But it was a FAIL! Because while the "Pac-16" was in Baylor's plans, Baylor was never in the Pac-10's.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan

please cite actual evidence that ANY real BYU football fan has ever dreamt of joining the PAC 10.

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According to Ron McBride:

"In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10.

They used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game."

I'm not sure if McBride was referring to players, coaches, administration, fans, or combination.

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