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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 5:30 p.m. MDT

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AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

toosmartforyou

"UU702, you missed the headline......it will likely be: 'USC guaranteed 5 victories between now and 2013 when they play Utah in SLC.'"

Those 5 games better get played quickly! LOL

2-Star byu is winless all-time against USC, to the tune of 77-28, and 2-Star byu loses to UTAH, annually! Makes perfect sense! LOL

UU702
Layton, UT

toosmartforyou, you revised the history...PAC10 invited Colorado and 4 other Big12 teams to join (OU,OSU, UT, TAMU), the 5th team was the focus of much discussion including Utah and Kansas. Utah was always in the mix, was creative enough to offer a progressive financial membership, and had a long term view. BYU alienated the Big12 over their beloved tv station. Result...Utah will beat USC AGAIN, before BYU even plays them and The Lawrence Welk show still has a home on byutv.

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

UU702 @ 1:117 pm

Saying toosmartfroryou is revising history is astoundingly ironic considering that you are delving into revisionist history. The PAC 10 wanted the Texas teams, but the Texas legislature basically said the PAC takes Baylor or no deal. Since the PAC10 has a real bigotry against religious schools (like Baylor) the deal fell apart.

Utah was plan B or even C. Colorado made sense in the fact that it brought with it the Denver market. Utah was picked as a placeholder in order for the PAC to have a championship game. That UU702, was Utah's only value. Utah certainly was not selected based on overall athletic performance.

Bottom line is if the PAC10 would have taken Baylor, Utah would still be in the MWC. The only thing the last two years have shown is the Utah is a run of the mill "mid-major" participating in a major conference.

Ps. With USC taking on BYU in November, that shoots down Utah's excuses about scheduling problems; especially in November.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Nice spin, UU702, regarding Lawrence Welk. (I'll give you that.)

All your friends certainly picked up that I hit the "1" instead of the "2" in my post. Wow, like that's a really important point and none of them have ever hit the next key.

So to make you feel better: CORRECTION- "USC is guaranteed 5 wins in their next games played in SLC between now and 2023."

Utes would rather be in the Pac Basement and beat BYU and go bowling at Orchard Lanes every year they play than actually have a winning program. Well, two-out-of-three isn't too bad for the upcoming season, since you play in Provo this year and Heaps is history. (No one ever said "Thanks" for his giving you the game...he was very generous with the ball, giving it to the Utes numerous times.)

Just keep those banners hanging all around town. I guess you didn't hear that the BCS has become irrelevant. News travels slowly in the PAC 12 Conference of Champions and Chums. You'll get the idea in December, sitting around Orchard Lanes, asking for the TV channel to be changed from ESPN to something less painful to watch.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"WRONG. They HAD to have 12 programs to hold a CCG which Scott wanted."

The Pac-10 had to have a 12th team to hold a CCG, but that doesn't mean they HAD to have Utah. They could have chosen ANOTHER Tier-1 Reseach institution within their footprint. Colorado St. and New Mexico were Tier-1 too ya know.

The Pac-10 chose Utah (and Colorado) because they WANTED to. Not because they HAD to. Don't be so frantic and emotional.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

poyman:

"They are the ones who got the AQ invite (even though it came as a result of 5 other programs turning the PAC10 down)"

The only Big 12 teams invited by the Pac-12 were CU and Texas. When Texas balked, no other invitations went out. Furthermore, Chip Brown reported Utah was Pac-XX bound with or without Texas, so....epic fail!

"I find it a bit humorous that these folks come on here and talk tough yet BYU has statistically cleaned their clock over the years"

I find it even MORE humorous that you Indy-WACey fans try talking tough to Utah while the UTES are the one who statistically cleaned YOUR clocks over the years. Don't forget who has the 22-game lead in the overall series, and who has the better record over these past 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 yrs. And even IF the Indy-WACers upset their big brother in the Fall, you'd STILL be on the losing end of the overall series, and over the last 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 yrs.

And WE'D still be playing in YOUR first choice of conferences. Haha!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

BigCougFan:

"Imagine how this can effect recruiting. A HS Junior who plans on a mission will be excited to know who he gets to play when he's Junior or Senior in 2019."

I'm imagining that if a HS Junior was that excited about playing USC, he'd be much more inclined to sign with Utah, since at least then he'd face off against the Trojans 4 times instead of just once.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

"Tell me about this "boatload" of 2 for 1s."

Happily...

Since leaving the MWC to play WAC football, the cougars have inked deals with 15 teams from BCS leagues (and I'm counting Houston despite the fact you scheduled them when they were "midmajors", and that they'll be dropping back down to "midmajors" after this year). Of those 15 teams, you have 4 "One-offs" and 5 "2-for-1" arrangements. That's the majority of your "relevant opponents". Seriously...nine out of 15? That's a firesale.

You seem to have forgotton about your one-offs with Ole' Miss (2011) and West Virginia (2016), and your 2-for-1s with Wisconsin (2013, 2017, 2018) and Arizona (2016, 2018, 2020).

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

MacNasty:

"With USC taking on BYU in November, that shoots down Utah's excuses about scheduling problems; especially in November."

No it doesn't. Our "excuse" to not play you is because you're not that important to us anymore. The Utah/Indy-WAC rivalry renewal is YOUR goal. Not ours. If you REALLY wanted our series to continue, you should have begged Holmoe to accept that very same 2-for-1 deal you were offered by the Trojans. Once you all agree to that same 2-for-1 deal, THEN we'll put you on the schedule. We MIGHT even decide to play you in November.

First 2-for-1, then we'll talk.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"MacNasty:

'With USC taking on BYU in November, that shoots down Utah's excuses about scheduling problems; especially in November.'

No it doesn't. Our 'excuse' to not play you is because you're not that important to us anymore. The Utah/Indy-WAC rivalry renewal is YOUR goal. Not ours. If you REALLY wanted our series to continue, you should have begged Holmoe to accept that very same 2-for-1 deal you were offered by the Trojans. Once you all agree to that same 2-for-1 deal, THEN we'll put you on the schedule. We MIGHT even decide to play you in November.

First 2-for-1, then we'll talk."

And you've done all of this in Rush-like fashion, with half your brain tied behind your back! LOL....Outstanding work!

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Flew back to the states to do some business deep in PAC 12 country. I learned a couple of things.

First, I foun+d out why u fans come to BYU boards to tell BYU fans why they are superior. Because when the venture out into their own conference boards they get thumped by PAC 12 posters.

Second, people hate utah. Everyone at the event, USC, ASU, CAL, UCLA, UofA, and Oregon fans and alumni hate utah fans. They all said the same thing, their fans were arrogant and filled with themselves over their 2 BCS wins. An ASU fan put it best "Big deal, in 2008 and 2004 they may have beat a BCS team in a bowl, but still played all the other games in the MWC."

Third, they do not respect the u. None of them even cared. In fact, two of the season ticket holders for USC said they chose that week to go back east for another game because and I quote "who cares about utah?"

I guess I am not alone in not caring about utah.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

STuFOO:

And I'm guessing that I'm not alone in thinking you made that whole scenerio up. I know a few Pac-12 alumni back here on the East coast, and NONE of them have issues with the Utes.

I can't say the same for their opinions of USC though.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

STuFOO--

"I guess I am not alone in not caring about utah."

Yet, you dedicate your entire Novel to none other than UTAH. Oh, the irony!

I'm a long-time ASU season ticket holder and know their fanbase well. Their palpable jealousy/envy is rooted in the fact that they've been a complete zero on the national stage during this current BCS Era, with their 15 seasons consisting of 6 losing seasons, 3 seasons finishing at .500 and one streak of going bowl-less for 3 consecutive years. In fact, beating a Navy team last season, which got brutally curb-stomped by each decent team they faced, was their 1st bowl game win since '05!

In general, anybody can claim anonymously online they heard anything they wish to claim, but what's clear here is the byu fanbase at-large is equally jealous/envious of a team in UTAH which absolutely/completely owns 2-Star byu!

If I were you, I'd focus exclusively on whether or not 2-Star byu will ever beat a decent team other then getting lucky to barely beat usu by 3-PTS at home! LOL

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

AZUTE1

Jealous of a team that hasn't been ranked since joining the PAC and couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule in order to qualify for a bowl???

LOL!

If I were U, I'd focus exclusively on whether or not PACy WACer U will ever beat a conference foe with a winning record.

At least ASU went to a bowl.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

midpacmajor--

"AZUTE1

Jealous of a team that hasn't been ranked since joining the PAC and couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule in order to qualify for a bowl???

LOL!

If I were U, I'd focus exclusively on whether or not PACy WACer U will ever beat a conference foe with a winning record.

At least ASU went to a bowl."

Oh the irony! This is coming from a fan of a 2-Star team which can never beat UTAH and can only beat usu at home!

2-Star byu is 2-3 against PAC-12 teams and hasn't had to face any in a week-in, week-out grind, mind you! They've only beat 2 teams which finished at the bottom of the conference standings and they've been utterly destroyed at home by the only 2 teams which finished the season with a winning record, to the tune of 96-34! Finally, they're 0-2 against UTAH! Priceless! I absolutely love it! Keep 'em coming!

p.s. In 15 BCS seasons, UTAH is 10-1 in bowl games, while 2-Star byu has struggled to even reach 6-5!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
"The Pac-10 had to have a 12th team to hold a CCG, but that doesn't mean they HAD to have Utah. They could have chosen ANOTHER Tier-1 Reseach institution within their footprint. Colorado St. and New Mexico were Tier-1 too ya know".

Really? Colorado has more fans in the Denver market than Colorado State, and is an AAU school, so the PAC went with them. Albuquerque also isn't as large as Salt Lake City in terms of market. Obviously the choices were limited for the PAC in regards to tier 1 research schools. Congratulations for beating out Colorado State and New Mexico. I repeat the PAC HAD to take U to have a CCG, and "athletic prowess" had nothing to do with it.

lloyd braun
ogden, utah

Blah, blah, blah. These posts give me a headache. Who's better? We're better. They're better. I am tired of hearing about the conference garbage, and who gets to play USC. I like to watch head to head, and for the last little while, Utah is a better team. BYU might be some day, but for now, BYU doesn't beat Utah very often. That's what I look at. How about cheering for the team you like, and don't worry about what the other team's doing. Be a fan, not a whiny fanatic.

brownderby
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@UU702
Show me when and where Lawrence Welk is on BYUTV. Search far and wide and report back.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

AZUTE1

LOL at the delusional spin of the PACy-WACer.

BYU is 2-3 (40%) versus the PAC, but unlike the Utes in 2012, BYU faced FIVE Top 25 teams; the Utes only two.

Utah is 7-11 (39%) versus the PAC, but unlike BYU, the Utes lost to TWO PAC teams with LOSING records, including Colorado(3-10) one of the worst teams in the country and a team that hadn't won a road game in over FOUR YEARS!

While BYU has finished in the Top 25 and won two bowl games, the lowly Utes haven't received a single vote in either poll and couldn't even beat the only WAC team on their schedule to qualify for a bowl.

Utah fans cluelessly beat their chests about bowl winning teams that weren't even good enough to finish in the Top 25 - one mediocre team beating another mediocre team in a bowl doesn't make the winner any less mediocre just because the game was played in a bowl.

Despite your whiny SOS excuse making, BYU has finished with better records and higher rankings than the sorry Utes in both of the last two seasons.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

UU702

"PAC10 invited Colorado and 4 other Big12 teams to join (OU,OSU, UT, TAMU), the 5th team was the focus of much discussion including Utah and Kansas."

Sorry, that's complete revisionist history. The original plan was for the entire Big 12 South (Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State) to merge with the PAC 10. A couple of PAC schools objected to the PAC inviting private, religiously-based Baylor, so Colorado was quickly invited to shut Baylor out of the merger. Then Texas A&M pulled out of the deal and Larry Scott was forced to settle for Utah as the "best available player".

"Utah will beat USC AGAIN, before BYU even plays them..."

Don't count on it. The Utes have only beaten ONE USC team with a winning record in their entire history, and that was nearly a hundred years ago, in 1916.

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