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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 12:20 p.m. MDT

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BoMerit
Alpine, UT

I agree with Judge Scalia's dissent: we are now waiting for the second shoe to drop on the states. What happened in this decision was the ascendancy of the federal over the states. This was not a trial balloon in which the Executive and Judiciary were testing the resolve of the sovereignty of the states - this was the Judiciary (with the willing relinquishment of the power of the Executive in order to accomplish a Monarchical objective) telling the States to prepare for the federal boot on the State's necks tomorrow - and it will come soon. A very sad day indeed.

LordPillsbury
Mcminnville, OR

From the Orthodox Jewish statement- “Ultimately, decisions on social policy remain with the democratic process..."

Interestingly enough, the other Supreme Court decision on Prop 8 speaks opposite of the statement from the Orthodox Jewish representative. Indeed, the decision on social policy remain with appointed courts and not the people (democratic process)!

Rick LT
GLENDALE, AZ

If would seem that for many of these liberal denominations, the "go along - get along" philosophy is more important than God's commandments. The Episcopals have already seen what the "can't we all just get along?" philosophy has done to their faith.....split it right down the middle.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Rick LT

"If would seem that for many of these liberal denominations, the "go along - get along" philosophy is more important than God's commandments."

There is no commandment which says "thou shalt not be homosexual".

Piret
Clifton, NJ

Why are those who oppose changing the Marriage Law accused of hating homosexuals? Changing the law has already led to hatred and discrimination towards those opposed to homosexual marriage. People in California whose names were published as donors to anti-Proposition * campaigns were fired from their jobs, were publicly vilified, were the subject of all kinds of hatreds and prejudices. It woks both ways you know. And do you really want to see the words "father" and "mother" disappear from our language.m as they have disappeared from the birth certificate in Canada, to be replaced by "parent 1" and "parent 2"? What do those expressions mean? Nothing.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@Contrarius
"There is no commandment which says "thou shalt not be homosexual".

Mark 10:6-9
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

There is only one way to for a man and a woman to become one flesh. But the admonition for men to cleave to other men does not seem to be included in this scripture. “Thou shalt not be homosexual” would have been a redundant commandment.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

Both the LDS church AND the Catholic church took firm stands against homosexual 'marriage'.

And yet the VAST MAJORITY of these negative comments are directed solely towards the LDS church.

Why is that?

Oh, wait a minute. I remember now....it's because liberals only hate Mormons.

Got it.....

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

@ mishi - San Francisco, CA - Re: OutsideUT "Sorry, but anyone running a public business has to adhere to anti-discrimination laws. Selling flowers and providing a rental space open to the public are covered by civil rights law......"

How do I say this?

Wrong!

A private business is a PRIVATE business. People 'need' homes and so laws were enacted to outlaw discriminating against selling someone your home due to their race. However, no one 'needs' flowers for a wedding. The problem with your side is you lack common sense and respect....your side is drowning with a "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine, too" attitude.

How long, Lord, how long?....

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@zoar --

"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female..."

That isn't a commandment against being homosexual.

It's simply a statement congruent with the nonexistent reproductive technologies of Biblical times.

"the admonition for men to cleave to other men does not seem to be included in this scripture."

Of course not. The folks back then didn't have artificial insemination, they didn't have surrogacy, they didn't even have much adoption.

Airplanes aren't mentioned in the Bible, either. Are airplanes evil?

@A Guy With A Brain --

You're the one who's wrong here.

From LegalZoom -- "public accommodation" means any business open to the public --

"The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
[....]
In addition..., many states have passed their own Civil Rights Acts that provide broader protections than the Federal Civil Rights Act. For example, California's Unruh Civil Rights Act makes it illegal to discriminate against individuals based on unconventional dress or sexual preference."

bandersen
Saint George, UT

The ad infinitum discussion here is nauseous. Anyone that can't read scripture, use common sense, or understand nature is not going to be persuaded by a reasoned analysis of the most bewildering development in the history of mankind, including a cult-like following of so-called 'tolerant' minded supporters that don't seem to have a clue as why it is important to defend the institution of marriage.

ACurtis
Chicago, IL

I know many times we say if Jesus said it I would do it. The truth of the matter is we all come short of his glory that's why he has grace for us to hopefully get it right. For those that is trying re-write God's word to fit your lifestyle, shame on you. God does speak against homosexuality here is Jesus speaking Matthew 19:4, John 5:46-47, Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11. Will this change your thoughts probably not but when it's all said and done we will all die and we will face his judgment. Hope this helps someone. I love all God's people but I have to hate the sin even my owns.

Avnett
Ogden, UT

Unfortunately this is not a religious issue as the majority in this forum are attempting to force. The application of scientific litmus, concludes that any action against nature (including humanity), must be viewed by it's ultimate conclusion. If it is wrong for all, then it is wrong for one. This includes murder, abortion, and homosexuality, among many others. If tomorrow morning we all wake up, walk out of our homes and murder one person, the conclusion is obvious. If every conception is aborted, humanity ends in one generation. If tomorrow morning we all wake up gay, humanity ends in one generation, (the latter two examples may be a bit less obvious to the dolt among us). Moral or immoral, it remains a simple, mathematical fact. One more fact: "Where there is no law, there is chaos". You may comment in opposition, but in fact, that would be futile..

crunchem
Cedar City, Utah

What if a cake shop owner served a gay couple, but used their first amendment rights to chastise the lgbt customer, to the point that the customer may just walk out and refuse to be served? If said owner has such deep convictions to "make a statement" by trying to refuse service, can't this be accomplished in other ways?

And if the customer refuses to be insulted and continues with the transaction, owner could always take the money and then tell the customer "I refuse to profit by helping the success of what I feel is deplorable. Therefore all monies you give me for service, which the law apparently requires me to accept, will be donated to my favorite charity" Then said owner places the money in a big jar labeled American Family Association or Save the Orphans or whatever.

Would be interesting to see what the ramifications of this passive aggressive resistance would be.

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@Avnett --

"any action against nature (including humanity), must be viewed by it's ultimate conclusion. "

The problem with your argument is that homosexuality is NOT against nature. In fact, various homosexual behaviors can be found in many non-human species out in nature. Therefore, by definition, homosexual behaviors are in fact "natural".

"If tomorrow morning we all wake up gay, humanity ends in one generation"

If tomorrow morning we all wake up women, humanity ends in one generation. Does that make women evil?

In fact, homosexuals will always represent a very small part of the population. Therefore, they offer absolutely no risk to the continuance of mankind.

@ACurtis --

Sorry, but Jesus doesn't even **mention** homosexuality in any of the passages you cited. Most of your cited passages are actually referring to Sodom -- and specifically talking about the inhospitality and impenitence of Sodom, not anything about sex.

Matthew 19:4 -- This is a statement of the Creation, not a condemnation of homosexuality.

John 5:46-47 -- This one doesn't even mention sex at all.

continued in next post, if I can get it posted!

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

(continued from previous post)

Luke 17:28-32 -- This one is about Sodom -- and Sodom is more about arrogance and inhospitality than about homosexuality.
-- "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. " (Ezekiel 16.49)

Matthew 10:15 -- Sodom again. Jesus is specifically referring to inhospitality.
--"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." (Matthew 10:14)

Matthew 11:24 -- Sodom again. Jesus is specifically referring to impenitence.
-- "Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.... ” (Matthew 11:20-24)

Mark 6:11 -- neither sex nor Sodom are even mentioned here, but Jesus is once again referring to inhospitality.
-- "And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." (Mark 6:11)

Sorry, but it's still true: Jesus never said a word against homosexuality.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

RE: Wyominguy:

I hate to burst your bubble Wyomingguy but changing the age of the missionary requirement has nothing to do with this. It dose however have every thing to do with numbers and dollars. The ages were bumped up so young people would not go to college and drift away from the church. The number of Missionaries they had in the field was at an all time low before the change. As you can see this "Devine Revelation" has, to this point, been a solution.

More Missionaries = More Members = More Dollars. Pretty easy to figure out.

Just think, our Church (yes I am an very inactive member) will now have more money to use on political causes! Especially ones in which they have no dog in the fight.

What's weird about this particular case is that the Church believes any marriage preformed outside of Temple walls is a marriage not recognized by God. By their logic you would think they would fight to make ALL marriages outside of the Temple illegal? Why are they just targeting the Gay's?

Things that go hummm??

I will fight on the side that fights for equality for all of GODS children.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

For you folks quoting Scripture trying to prove your point just stop. We all know there are numerous Scriptures on both sides of the issue that can be quoted to support their argument.

Although it's a worn out statement, just ask yourself "What would God do?" "What would Jesus do?". You ask yourself that question and the answer becomes pretty clear.

Fiannan
Eugene, Oregon

Okay, for the life of me I cannot see how polygamy will not be the next marriage rights issue. Note what this anthropologist suggests: ("Polygamy: the next Marriage Rights Frontier.Unlock the Door").If we set laws based on the idea that what people say they want, and also that these people claim to want an "alternative lifestyle" family how can we say no to them? If George and Pedro can marry and Robert, Natasha and Anna can't? This is certainly going to get interesting.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Read many of these comments on here.

Man!, what a bunch of clueless people there are. The one that said above that homosexuality is not "against nature" blew me away.

So how is it "not against nature" if by exercising homosexuality to it's fullest extent, the species in question COMPLETELY becomes extinct in ONE generation? How is THAT "not against nature"?

Absolutely un-friggin' real....

postaledith
Freeland, WA

In reply to Outside Utah, I think you need to get your facts straight. The florist in Washington state, Stutzman refused to serve Ingersoll, a customer of nine years, in early March when he came in to order flowers for his wedding. There is a law that states any customer, under the consumer protection and anti-discrimination laws, has the right to be free from discrimination because of race, creed, color, national origin, sex, honorably discharged veteran or military status, sexual orientation.

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