naval vetlol i think that is against the honor code
Reno Cougs Fan 68:"Please remind us all how many out right
conference titles did Utah win while in the WAC again...By the way 26-14 is the
head to head record between BYU and Utah since 1972..."What
difference does that make? WE'VE moved PAST the WAC! Sure you guys really
tore it up in a weak conference, but the WAC is not only irrelevant, it's
dead! And for what it's worth, the head to head record isn't 26-14
since '72. It's 26-15. But that really hasn't helped you out
LATELY, has it? Over the past 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 years, it's been all
Utah. If you looked at that 41-yr record of yours, over 63% of those wins were
won over a quarter century ago! You've been since been lapped by your big
brother on the Hill. WE have the better program now....AND the invite to the
conference you guys have been pretending to have secretly negotiated with over
the past 3 decades. Good for Utah. Sad for the Indy-WACers.
Navel Vet,Please remind us all how many out right conference titles
did Utah win while in the WAC again? I thought that 7-11 was just a convenience
chain but it also is the Utes record for their first two years in the PAC12!!!
Ouch!!! By the way 26-14 is the head to head record between BYU and Utah since
1972, and BYU is the holder of the 26 wins!!!Go BYU!!!Go
Cowboy Dude:"L.A. won't even acknowledge your [sic]
there."That's okay if you're a WACistani. Nobody
really attends their bowl games anyway. Just look at the attendance of their
last 3 bowl games. They're among the lowest attended in the country.
L.A. is a terrible place for a bowl. Tucson is looking for a bowl
and is small enough to get the community involved from the moment you get to the
airport.I've been to the Holiday, Sugar, and Fiesta bowls.
Aside from the notoriety, the most fun bowl was the Liberty Bowl in Memphis. The
team flags flying at the hotels, the city lunch, the team parade down Beale
Street, and the New Years Eve parties.L.A. won't even
acknowledge your there.
IRS Agent said:"@WACPadderGood one! I can see how a
battle between two nationaly ranked and relevant programs on a national stage
would be of no interest to a Ute fan."Who says BYU is relevant
and will be ranked when they next play ND?Zing!!!
Okay. It's too late, but forget my previous comments. I actually read the
article now (sort of). My take is still the same for the most part. Meaning, BYU
does search for innovative ways to open new doors, but the article here is about
a potential Bowl soliciting others (BYU included). Right?
Interesting exploration for BYU. The university does keep searching for
independent ways to be independent. Keep trying Cougars. Not all Utah fans
despise you. We do wish to beat you though.
I think that one person, or one organization, or one team, that projects an
attitude, that they, themselves, are so good and so important that people should
be begging for their services, soon find, that everyone else starts showing them
that it is not so, even in the areas that it might be so.On the
other hand, people, or organizations, or teams, like Nevada, TCU, Boise State,
or yes even Utah, that may project more of a mainstream attitude, gets all the
positive recognition such as being invited to a BCS Conference, weather or not
they accept that invitation.Even teams like SDS has been more
strongly considered for BCS Conference.My suggestion, is that we
might be a bit more humble and a bit more appreciative, and perhaps a bit less
confrontational with demands so that other organizations don't have to
prove that we are not that valuable to them. In the scheme of
things, like the over all value of football, "No sunday play" and the
"Honor Code" is probably about #1,2, or 3 as the real reason for not
getting into a BCS Conference (1 being the least real reason and `10 being the
most real reason).
To Naval Vet and other Utes: Why should the state subsidize a BCS athletics
department? Why don't you pay your own way, and also pay back the millions
in state subsidies your athletic department has taken from the education funds
of the state? Why should state taxpayers subsidize BCS athletics when there are
many more pressing funding priorities for the state? Instead, the state
legislature should take part of the BCS funds and return them to the states
general education fund. With all the money state taxpayers have
invested in the BCS, it is time to get a return on the investment. The best way
to attack the BCS is not through federal methods, but through the state
legislatures. The bowl system is corrupt. BYU's best choice,
as well as the best choice of the Aggies, is to have a second-level playoff
instead of second level bowls. BYU helped the Fiesta Bowl and Holiday Bowls get
started, we can certainly get a second level playoff started.
IRS AgentI went to the Utah game in South Bend and came away with
tremendous respect for Notre Dame. They treat their visitors first class. ND is
THE shining light on the hill.I had hoped Utah would learn something
from the experience. Now, it's BYU's turn. Let's hope their
@IRS AgentFor what it's worth, I don't think you will ever
have to worry about traveling to South Bend for a Ute football game. You could
probably catch a BYU game there though.-----------Utah
played in South Bend in 2010. I think you'll agree that
it's more likely that you will ever have to worry about traveling anywhere
to watch BYU play in a January bowl. You probably already watched Utah do it
twice though, while cheering for the other team that is.
@WACPadderGood one! I can see how a battle between two nationaly
ranked and relevant programs on a national stage would be of no interest to a
IRS AgentPROVO, UT@NavelVet 9:32amYour point is well
taken. I am sure that you would be happy to go anywhere (including Boise), if
only the Utes were able to qualify for a bowl game. For what it's worth, I
don't think you will ever have to worry about traveling to South Bend for a
Ute football game. You could probably catch a BYU game there though.________Why go other than BYU fans to watch the Cougs rack up
another loss to a ranked team?
I love seeing BYU fans coming up with excuses for not being able to beat their
big brother! its funny how they went independent so they could always schedule
Utah but since they haven't been able to put up much of a fight Utah no
longer cares about the rivalry and decided to play a real team like Michigan.
The only downfall is we lose a guaranteed win!
Just another bowl we would totally dominate against the toppest competition.
@NavelVet 9:32amYour point is well taken. I am sure that you would
be happy to go anywhere (including Boise), if only the Utes were able to qualify
for a bowl game. For what it's worth, I don't think you will ever have
to worry about traveling to South Bend for a Ute football game. You could
probably catch a BYU game there though.
"Howard S.Taylorsville, UTWhy hasn't ESPN found
a bowl game for BYU?"BYU has gone (10-3) against a fairly light
schedule and (8-5) since going Independent. Not sure either warrants a bowl
@Naval Vetlol. They "beat themselves" when they panicked and
Naval Vet,Actually, I lived in El Paso for two months and
couldn't get out of there fast enough. There's a reason they call it
the armpit of Texas. If warmer weather is your only criteria for going to a bowl
game, then El Paso has it. The rest of what the town has to offer trumps that
for me, however. I'd rather pretty much go anywhere else to watch a
football game, especially if I'm investing in travel, hotels and food to do
rhappahannock:"If BYU is serious about a better post-seaon, dump
all these second-level bowls and start a playoff. It really is the only way to
go for BYU."The Y won't be dropping any 2nd-level bowls.
Those bowls already dropped the Y. Nevertheless, you might be on to something
regarding the future of the Y by starting their own playoff. They could drop
out of the NCAA altogether, and go it alone via the creation of the
"Indy-WAC league". They'd be the only team in the league, and
would have to play with themselves, but they'd wouldn't have to share
any of the money with anybody else (you know how Indy-WACers HATE sharing).
Plus, at the end of the season they could invite themselves to play in the
"Indy-WAC National Championship" at LES, and when they "beat
themselves", they could take that victory, lay claim to an "undefeated
season", and win the NC every year.
CougfaninTX:"...it seems impossible to get anything other than a
2nd tier bowl."No...it seems impossible for the Indy-WACers to
GET a 2nd tier bowl. That's why Holmoe is negotiating with the 3rd-tier
Lower level bowl games are really bad - bad matchups, bad money, bad
destinations. The bowl system only works for a few high level games, and is
awful for the rest.An ideal post-season would provide placement
based on merit - not conference or economic impact. It would allow fans to
support their team. It would provide exciting matchups between ranked or
nearly-ranked teams. A 16-team NIT-style playoff would accomplish
all these objectives, and hurt the corrupt bowl system to boot. If BYU is
serious about a better post-seaon, dump all these second-level bowls and start a
playoff. It really is the only way to go for BYU.
Not So Good:Apparently neither had you.I wouldn't
want to "live" in El Paso, and it never makes my "vacation site"
list, but it's not a terrible destination if you're purpose is to
watch a college football bowl game. The weather was quite nice when last I was
there. To put that in perspective, I wouldn't want to
"live" or "vacation" in Pittsburgh either, but when last the
Utes played there, I made the trip, stayed in a nice hotel, and had a lot of
fun. Would I want to "live" or "vacation" in South Bend, IN?
Nope. But I'd go for a Utah football game.FWIW: I
wouldn't have a problem with the Pac-12 keeping the New Mexico Bowl.
Albuquerque is a nice town too.
u25,Apparently you've never been to El Paso...
This is a story about a college football bowl game. it has nothing to do with
the utes because the utes don't go to post season bowl games anymore. the
utes' bowl game is whenever they play the cougars.
Bummer. Without a 7th bowl game for the Pac-10+2, the utes will always have
plenty of down time in December.
Larry Scotts a genuis he dropped the nightmare of the New Mexico bowl for the
Buffalo wild wings bowl in Phoenix. Thats now 7 bowls for the Pac that are all
in great destinations. Pasadena, San Diego, San Antonio, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San
Francisco, El Paso.
@sammygFunny how Cougar Nation sees sub 500 as the new normal for
Utah... yet they see no trend at all in BYUs sub 500 record against BCS teams
and against Utah.LOL...
I really like how most things have come together for an independent BYU. The
schedule is sweet this year and seems to on track for future years. Exposure is
above most other programs. Recruiting is solid.There are only two
things missing.1. A couple of big wins. Oklahoma was our last
really big win. We almost had it last year against ND and the prior year
against Texas. But close is not a W. Hoping Taysom can get a couple of big
wins over the next couple of years.2. A nice bowl deal. Most of
the bowls are so tied to conferences, that it seems impossible to get anything
other than a 2nd tier bowl. I know Holmoe will find something. I'm less
concerned about the payout, and more concerned about the opponent.I
know an invite in not in the works with the Big12, but I wonder if there's
any possibility of getting a tie-in to the Big12 like Notre Dame has with the
ACC, where we play 4 or 5 games a year against them and then tie-in to their
@BlutoBYU can create their own bowl on the West Coast.Put out
a 5 million dollar purse and 3 or 4 Conferences will sign up tomorrow.------------You can use the HD truck to broadcast the game on BYU
TV, with a legacy program and worldwide following who needs ESPN. In fact, who needs a BCS conference invite. Just create your own conference
and 10 or 12 teams will sign up tomorrow....wait I didn't think this
through...didn't you try that already with the WACC in 2011 only for Nevada
and Fresno to bail?
Thanks for that enlightening post sammyg.Meanwhile BYU continues to
panhandle for a bowl game, just like they do to schedule future games. Going so
far as to say they would offer a letter of support for the Christmas Bowl. Just
call it the Needy Bowl, BYU needs it. This is your WAC legacy folks.
Scraps from the rest of D1 football.I don't see real legacy teams
like Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State, USC.....panhandle for games. Do you?
And here I thought the New Mexico Bowl was the PAC10.2 7th bowl tie in, with the
Kraft Fight Hunger at sixth. Just for 2013 I'm reading.it's a Sad news day for Ute fans, things are going to change and that
could spell a harder road for your struggling team. Better hope Uncle Larry
jumps on board for this Xmas Bowl as there is no mention of a number 7 bowl at
this time for 2014. I'm probably jumping the gun but read on.Kraft Fight Hunger will now be the PAC10.2 #4 bowl game for 2014, Sun Bowl
goes down a notch or two, Las Vegas Bowl still around but your premier gateway
to bowl heaven does not seem to be making the headlines. I have not found the
New Mexico Bowl mentioned since yesterday's new bowl contract
announcements.These are tense moments I know. Here's hoping
that your road to bowl heaven can be greased with an 8th placeholder.But first things first... get to .500I'm pulling for you. LOL
The headline is that BYU is "keeping options open"... as if it had
options.Any BYU bowl options will not be known until the
conferences, even the mid majors, have made their deals.Then
leftover options may be available to the national brand and legacy of BYU.
I know it is not going to happen, but it would be funny if the PAC-10.2 agreed
to the #7 team playing the Christmas bowl then the Utes would have something to
shoot for - playing BYU or Utah in a bowl game! Makes me laugh!
Howie:As usual you missed the point of the article. BYU is looking and
WILL secure a bowl game somewhere. They gave the Christmas bowl some endorsement
because they have a large fanbase in SoCal so it made sense for them to be
supportive, not because BYU is worried about securing a bowl. As far as your
sarcastic question, there's probably some truth to the fact that espn
could/would help BYU get a deal done.
@HowieWhy don't just see if your Utes can even get above .500
in the next ten years and stop worrying about BYU.BYU, as a National Brand
and Legacy school, will be just fine, thanks for your concern..It's
all about the purse.The Alamo Bowl has just wedged out the Holiday as the
Pac's number two bowl.Why?Money.BYU can create their own
bowl on the West Coast.Put out a 5 million dollar purse and 3 or 4
Conferences will sign up tomorrow.
Howard:"Dearwater said BYU has been very supportive of the
bowl's intentions, and BYU Athletic Director Tom Holmoe went as far as to
draft an official letter of support for the bowl's existence."I'm sure they're trying, but can you imagine how hard it must be to
find someone to take them when they're super supportive and excited for the
potential to land a postseason destination....that the Pac-12 and MWC
didn't want? If the MWC didn't want it, it must have been pretty
bush-league. If the Indy-WACers would be excited about THAT bowl, it
doesn't look like they're being presented with many other offers.
It's hilarious to hear people talk about "the end of the bcs"The truth is far from it You think significant(see
previously bcs) bowls will be setting up agreements with the mwc or independents
like navy and byu?Lol. No. Long live the power
Why hasn't ESPN found a bowl game for BYU?