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Christmas Bowl: Pac-12, Mountain West not interested for now, BYU keeping options open

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  • bpack88 LOGAN, UT
    June 29, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    naval vet
    lol i think that is against the honor code

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    Reno Cougs Fan 68:

    "Please remind us all how many out right conference titles did Utah win while in the WAC again...By the way 26-14 is the head to head record between BYU and Utah since 1972..."

    What difference does that make? WE'VE moved PAST the WAC! Sure you guys really tore it up in a weak conference, but the WAC is not only irrelevant, it's dead! And for what it's worth, the head to head record isn't 26-14 since '72. It's 26-15. But that really hasn't helped you out LATELY, has it? Over the past 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 years, it's been all Utah. If you looked at that 41-yr record of yours, over 63% of those wins were won over a quarter century ago! You've been since been lapped by your big brother on the Hill. WE have the better program now....AND the invite to the conference you guys have been pretending to have secretly negotiated with over the past 3 decades.

    Good for Utah. Sad for the Indy-WACers.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 28, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Navel Vet,

    Please remind us all how many out right conference titles did Utah win while in the WAC again? I thought that 7-11 was just a convenience chain but it also is the Utes record for their first two years in the PAC12!!! Ouch!!! By the way 26-14 is the head to head record between BYU and Utah since 1972, and BYU is the holder of the 26 wins!!!

    Go BYU!!!
    Go Utah!!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    Cowboy Dude:

    "L.A. won't even acknowledge your [sic] there."

    That's okay if you're a WACistani. Nobody really attends their bowl games anyway. Just look at the attendance of their last 3 bowl games. They're among the lowest attended in the country.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 27, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    L.A. is a terrible place for a bowl.

    Tucson is looking for a bowl and is small enough to get the community involved from the moment you get to the airport.

    I've been to the Holiday, Sugar, and Fiesta bowls. Aside from the notoriety, the most fun bowl was the Liberty Bowl in Memphis. The team flags flying at the hotels, the city lunch, the team parade down Beale Street, and the New Years Eve parties.

    L.A. won't even acknowledge your there.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 27, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    IRS Agent said:

    "@WACPadder

    Good one! I can see how a battle between two nationaly ranked and relevant programs on a national stage would be of no interest to a Ute fan."

    Who says BYU is relevant and will be ranked when they next play ND?
    Zing!!!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2013 4:58 a.m.

    Okay. It's too late, but forget my previous comments. I actually read the article now (sort of). My take is still the same for the most part. Meaning, BYU does search for innovative ways to open new doors, but the article here is about a potential Bowl soliciting others (BYU included). Right?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2013 4:54 a.m.

    Interesting exploration for BYU. The university does keep searching for independent ways to be independent. Keep trying Cougars. Not all Utah fans despise you. We do wish to beat you though.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    June 26, 2013 8:49 p.m.

    I think that one person, or one organization, or one team, that projects an attitude, that they, themselves, are so good and so important that people should be begging for their services, soon find, that everyone else starts showing them that it is not so, even in the areas that it might be so.

    On the other hand, people, or organizations, or teams, like Nevada, TCU, Boise State, or yes even Utah, that may project more of a mainstream attitude, gets all the positive recognition such as being invited to a BCS Conference, weather or not they accept that invitation.

    Even teams like SDS has been more strongly considered for BCS Conference.

    My suggestion, is that we might be a bit more humble and a bit more appreciative, and perhaps a bit less confrontational with demands so that other organizations don't have to prove that we are not that valuable to them.

    In the scheme of things, like the over all value of football, "No sunday play" and the "Honor Code" is probably about #1,2, or 3 as the real reason for not getting into a BCS Conference (1 being the least real reason and `10 being the most real reason).

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    June 26, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    To Naval Vet and other Utes: Why should the state subsidize a BCS athletics department? Why don't you pay your own way, and also pay back the millions in state subsidies your athletic department has taken from the education funds of the state? Why should state taxpayers subsidize BCS athletics when there are many more pressing funding priorities for the state? Instead, the state legislature should take part of the BCS funds and return them to the states general education fund.

    With all the money state taxpayers have invested in the BCS, it is time to get a return on the investment. The best way to attack the BCS is not through federal methods, but through the state legislatures.

    The bowl system is corrupt. BYU's best choice, as well as the best choice of the Aggies, is to have a second-level playoff instead of second level bowls. BYU helped the Fiesta Bowl and Holiday Bowls get started, we can certainly get a second level playoff started.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    June 26, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    IRS Agent

    I went to the Utah game in South Bend and came away with tremendous respect for Notre Dame. They treat their visitors first class. ND is THE shining light on the hill.

    I had hoped Utah would learn something from the experience. Now, it's BYU's turn. Let's hope their hospitality sticks.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    @IRS Agent

    For what it's worth, I don't think you will ever have to worry about traveling to South Bend for a Ute football game. You could probably catch a BYU game there though.

    -----------

    Utah played in South Bend in 2010.

    I think you'll agree that it's more likely that you will ever have to worry about traveling anywhere to watch BYU play in a January bowl. You probably already watched Utah do it twice though, while cheering for the other team that is.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    June 26, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    @WACPadder

    Good one! I can see how a battle between two nationaly ranked and relevant programs on a national stage would be of no interest to a Ute fan.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 26, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    IRS Agent
    PROVO, UT
    @NavelVet 9:32am

    Your point is well taken. I am sure that you would be happy to go anywhere (including Boise), if only the Utes were able to qualify for a bowl game. For what it's worth, I don't think you will ever have to worry about traveling to South Bend for a Ute football game. You could probably catch a BYU game there though.

    ________

    Why go other than BYU fans to watch the Cougs rack up another loss to a ranked team?

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    June 26, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    I love seeing BYU fans coming up with excuses for not being able to beat their big brother! its funny how they went independent so they could always schedule Utah but since they haven't been able to put up much of a fight Utah no longer cares about the rivalry and decided to play a real team like Michigan. The only downfall is we lose a guaranteed win!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    Just another bowl we would totally dominate against the toppest competition.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    June 26, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    @NavelVet 9:32am

    Your point is well taken. I am sure that you would be happy to go anywhere (including Boise), if only the Utes were able to qualify for a bowl game. For what it's worth, I don't think you will ever have to worry about traveling to South Bend for a Ute football game. You could probably catch a BYU game there though.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    June 26, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    "Howard S.

    Taylorsville, UT

    Why hasn't ESPN found a bowl game for BYU?"

    BYU has gone (10-3) against a fairly light schedule and (8-5) since going Independent. Not sure either warrants a bowl upgrade.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 26, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    lol. They "beat themselves" when they panicked and went independent.

  • Not So Good Farmington, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Actually, I lived in El Paso for two months and couldn't get out of there fast enough. There's a reason they call it the armpit of Texas. If warmer weather is your only criteria for going to a bowl game, then El Paso has it. The rest of what the town has to offer trumps that for me, however. I'd rather pretty much go anywhere else to watch a football game, especially if I'm investing in travel, hotels and food to do so.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    rhappahannock:

    "If BYU is serious about a better post-seaon, dump all these second-level bowls and start a playoff. It really is the only way to go for BYU."

    The Y won't be dropping any 2nd-level bowls. Those bowls already dropped the Y. Nevertheless, you might be on to something regarding the future of the Y by starting their own playoff. They could drop out of the NCAA altogether, and go it alone via the creation of the "Indy-WAC league". They'd be the only team in the league, and would have to play with themselves, but they'd wouldn't have to share any of the money with anybody else (you know how Indy-WACers HATE sharing). Plus, at the end of the season they could invite themselves to play in the "Indy-WAC National Championship" at LES, and when they "beat themselves", they could take that victory, lay claim to an "undefeated season", and win the NC every year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    CougfaninTX:

    "...it seems impossible to get anything other than a 2nd tier bowl."

    No...it seems impossible for the Indy-WACers to GET a 2nd tier bowl. That's why Holmoe is negotiating with the 3rd-tier bowl games.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    June 26, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Lower level bowl games are really bad - bad matchups, bad money, bad destinations. The bowl system only works for a few high level games, and is awful for the rest.

    An ideal post-season would provide placement based on merit - not conference or economic impact. It would allow fans to support their team. It would provide exciting matchups between ranked or nearly-ranked teams.

    A 16-team NIT-style playoff would accomplish all these objectives, and hurt the corrupt bowl system to boot. If BYU is serious about a better post-seaon, dump all these second-level bowls and start a playoff. It really is the only way to go for BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Not So Good:

    Apparently neither had you.

    I wouldn't want to "live" in El Paso, and it never makes my "vacation site" list, but it's not a terrible destination if you're purpose is to watch a college football bowl game. The weather was quite nice when last I was there.

    To put that in perspective, I wouldn't want to "live" or "vacation" in Pittsburgh either, but when last the Utes played there, I made the trip, stayed in a nice hotel, and had a lot of fun. Would I want to "live" or "vacation" in South Bend, IN? Nope. But I'd go for a Utah football game.

    FWIW: I wouldn't have a problem with the Pac-12 keeping the New Mexico Bowl. Albuquerque is a nice town too.

  • Not So Good Farmington, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    u25,

    Apparently you've never been to El Paso...

  • Todd Christiansen's Thesaurus Ogden, UT
    June 26, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    This is a story about a college football bowl game. it has nothing to do with the utes because the utes don't go to post season bowl games anymore. the utes' bowl game is whenever they play the cougars.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    June 26, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Bummer. Without a 7th bowl game for the Pac-10+2, the utes will always have plenty of down time in December.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Larry Scotts a genuis he dropped the nightmare of the New Mexico bowl for the Buffalo wild wings bowl in Phoenix. Thats now 7 bowls for the Pac that are all in great destinations. Pasadena, San Diego, San Antonio, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Francisco, El Paso.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 26, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    @sammyg

    Funny how Cougar Nation sees sub 500 as the new normal for Utah... yet they see no trend at all in BYUs sub 500 record against BCS teams and against Utah.

    LOL...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 26, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    I really like how most things have come together for an independent BYU. The schedule is sweet this year and seems to on track for future years. Exposure is above most other programs. Recruiting is solid.

    There are only two things missing.

    1. A couple of big wins. Oklahoma was our last really big win. We almost had it last year against ND and the prior year against Texas. But close is not a W. Hoping Taysom can get a couple of big wins over the next couple of years.

    2. A nice bowl deal. Most of the bowls are so tied to conferences, that it seems impossible to get anything other than a 2nd tier bowl. I know Holmoe will find something. I'm less concerned about the payout, and more concerned about the opponent.

    I know an invite in not in the works with the Big12, but I wonder if there's any possibility of getting a tie-in to the Big12 like Notre Dame has with the ACC, where we play 4 or 5 games a year against them and then tie-in to their bowl affiliations?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    @Bluto

    BYU can create their own bowl on the West Coast.
    Put out a 5 million dollar purse and 3 or 4 Conferences will sign up tomorrow.

    ------------

    You can use the HD truck to broadcast the game on BYU TV, with a legacy program and worldwide following who needs ESPN.

    In fact, who needs a BCS conference invite. Just create your own conference and 10 or 12 teams will sign up tomorrow....wait I didn't think this through...didn't you try that already with the WACC in 2011 only for Nevada and Fresno to bail?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 25, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    Thanks for that enlightening post sammyg.
    Meanwhile BYU continues to panhandle for a bowl game, just like they do to schedule future games. Going so far as to say they would offer a letter of support for the Christmas Bowl. Just call it the Needy Bowl, BYU needs it.
    This is your WAC legacy folks. Scraps from the rest of D1 football.
    I don't see real legacy teams like Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State, USC.....panhandle for games. Do you?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 25, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    And here I thought the New Mexico Bowl was the PAC10.2 7th bowl tie in, with the Kraft Fight Hunger at sixth. Just for 2013 I'm reading.

    it's a Sad news day for Ute fans, things are going to change and that could spell a harder road for your struggling team. Better hope Uncle Larry jumps on board for this Xmas Bowl as there is no mention of a number 7 bowl at this time for 2014. I'm probably jumping the gun but read on.

    Kraft Fight Hunger will now be the PAC10.2 #4 bowl game for 2014, Sun Bowl goes down a notch or two, Las Vegas Bowl still around but your premier gateway to bowl heaven does not seem to be making the headlines. I have not found the New Mexico Bowl mentioned since yesterday's new bowl contract announcements.

    These are tense moments I know. Here's hoping that your road to bowl heaven can be greased with an 8th placeholder.

    But first things first... get to .500

    I'm pulling for you. LOL

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 25, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    The headline is that BYU is "keeping options open"... as if it had options.

    Any BYU bowl options will not be known until the conferences, even the mid majors, have made their deals.

    Then leftover options may be available to the national brand and legacy of BYU.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    June 25, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    I know it is not going to happen, but it would be funny if the PAC-10.2 agreed to the #7 team playing the Christmas bowl then the Utes would have something to shoot for - playing BYU or Utah in a bowl game! Makes me laugh!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 25, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    Howie:
    As usual you missed the point of the article. BYU is looking and WILL secure a bowl game somewhere. They gave the Christmas bowl some endorsement because they have a large fanbase in SoCal so it made sense for them to be supportive, not because BYU is worried about securing a bowl. As far as your sarcastic question, there's probably some truth to the fact that espn could/would help BYU get a deal done.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 25, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    @Howie

    Why don't just see if your Utes can even get above .500 in the next ten years and stop worrying about BYU.
    BYU, as a National Brand and Legacy school, will be just fine, thanks for your concern..
    It's all about the purse.
    The Alamo Bowl has just wedged out the Holiday as the Pac's number two bowl.
    Why?
    Money.
    BYU can create their own bowl on the West Coast.
    Put out a 5 million dollar purse and 3 or 4 Conferences will sign up tomorrow.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    Howard:

    "Dearwater said BYU has been very supportive of the bowl's intentions, and BYU Athletic Director Tom Holmoe went as far as to draft an official letter of support for the bowl's existence."

    I'm sure they're trying, but can you imagine how hard it must be to find someone to take them when they're super supportive and excited for the potential to land a postseason destination....that the Pac-12 and MWC didn't want? If the MWC didn't want it, it must have been pretty bush-league. If the Indy-WACers would be excited about THAT bowl, it doesn't look like they're being presented with many other offers.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    It's hilarious to hear people talk about "the end of the bcs"

    The truth is far from it

    You think significant(see previously bcs) bowls will be setting up agreements with the mwc or independents like navy and byu?

    Lol. No.

    Long live the power conferences

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 25, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    Why hasn't ESPN found a bowl game for BYU?