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Published: Tuesday, June 25 2013 8:45 a.m. MDT

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Florwood
American Fork, UT

Can't wait till Teancum becomes a team captain...

LDS-BYU Convert
ALPINE, UT

I heard from Brett Richins who met with Teancum the day before he committed and learned that he is 6'1" 285 lbs so not as big as Romney and not big enough yet (could grow into it though) to play NT at BYU. Who is right about his current height and weight?

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Naval Vet

(Wiscougarfan) "I love that our surefire win games are also spread around the country instead of having to go to CU and WSU every other year."

I believe you mean that all your surefire win game were spread around WAC country. Or did you mean you're future "exposure" games into recruiting hotbeds like Murfressboro? Either way, weak SOS."

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Yes, this forum has focused on recruits and schedules moving forward, which for BYU includes ZERO WAC teams. And yes, "exposure" games in Virginia, Texas, Indiana, Florida, Tennessee, Nebraska, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, Maryland, Ohio, Idaho, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Washington work well for BYU's recruiting strategy which is becoming more national than it has in the past. Case in point: 25 of the 29 scholarship offers extended to 2014 recruits (and 7 of 9 commitments) are from outside the state of Utah (in seven different states).

As for weak SOS... Phil Steele, who you said is the most reliable source in college football, has BYU's 2013 SOS ranked #25, just behind Utah's (#18) and ahead of EVERY OTHER SEASON IN UTAH HISTORY. Claiming the #25 ranked SOS is "weak" is illogical, even for a troll.

WON84
PLANO, TX

"But on the downside, without agreeing to a 2-for-1 scheduling arrangement some of the best names in college football (i.e. Nebraska, Michigan) WON'T be making any return games to WACistan. Instead, you'll have to settle for Home-&-Homes with powerhouses in the Sun Belt, like Middle Tennessee."

Naval - you're correct, the elite are going to be 2:1 and probably will be for some time. When you win multiple national championships you can dictate terms. And you're correct, no one will be going to Wacistan (does it border Waziristan?) but, Texas, Wisconsin, and ND will be returning to Provo.

But, what is wrong with a home and home with Virginia or Georgia Tech? That's better than the Sun Belt you mentioned though I think BYU's only playing one Sun Belt team. So stating it as if it's the norm makes about as much sense as continuing on about the WAC...and we all know someone who is into that :)

Get some fresh air, go for a run and enjoy the view of the Wasatch Front. There are things more enjoyable than worrying about BYU's schedule, guarantee it

WON84
PLANO, TX

"AZUTE1

Mesa, AZ

won84--

'Chris, from reading your comments one would think the Utes were tearing up the recruiting trail. Glad to see you haven't lost your touch.'

Hysterical witnessing 2-Star byu fan attempt to talk trash regarding recruiting, particularly when their most recently completed recruiting class is still fresh. Of 28 commits, their 2013 haul consisted of 19 2-Stars. Yes, you read it correctly--19!

Per Scout as well, of their 8 recruits listed to date for 2014, 4 are 2-Stars. Of UTAH's listed 6, only 1 is. byu's avg Stars is 2.50, while UTAH's is 3.00."

Bro, you should attend one of my game watching parties before you call me a 2-Star fan. Just sayin'.

Regarding recruiting, I didn't claim BYU was tearing it up. Chris' criticism of what are two good gets for BYU just made it sound like the Utes are competing with USC for Fred Warner type recruits when in reality they're in the neighborhood of Washington St. and Arizona.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Wisccoug

Nice pick up. Beating out Utah and Boise State speaks well for his talent. I hope he works out for the Y.

WON84
PLANO, TX

"Spokane Ute

Spokane, WA

@ Wisccoug

Nice pick up. Beating out Utah and Boise State speaks well for his talent. I hope he works out for the Y."

But he doesn't have any stars next to his name on Scout so how can he be any good? :)

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Spokane Ute

"Nice pick up. Beating out Utah and Boise State speaks well for his talent. I hope he works out for the Y."

Cheers. I'm not sure you meant that as a compliment or in sarcasm but will assume the former. I also see Utah and Boise State as two solid programs, so getting a commit that early in the recruiting process that already has offers from these three programs bodes well for BYU's 2014 recruiting class.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

wiscougarfan--

"As for weak SOS... Phil Steele, who you said is the most reliable source in college football, has BYU's 2013 SOS ranked #25, just behind Utah's (#18) and ahead of EVERY OTHER SEASON IN UTAH HISTORY. Claiming the #25 ranked SOS is "weak" is illogical, even for a troll."

Nice try! Phil Steele ranks 2-Star byu's 2013 SOS precisely at #49 and UTAH's precisely at #12! No comparison!

In other words, 2-Star byu's SOS is barely ranked inside of the top 50% of the nation! Good times!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

won84--

"Regarding recruiting, I didn't claim BYU was tearing it up. Chris' criticism of what are two good gets for BYU just made it sound like the Utes are competing with USC for Fred Warner type recruits when in reality they're in the neighborhood of Washington St. and Arizona."

Hysterical! You act as if Fred Warner were an Elite 4-/5-Star recruit or something! Per Scout, he's listed as a 3-Star recruit and, get this, he's also been offered by both WAZZU and Arizona! Hysterical!

BTW, per Scout, WAZZU has 1 less commit than 2-Star byu does to date, yet their avg Stars stands at 2.57, while 2-Star byu's now stands at 2.25! Hysterical!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

won84--

"Texas, Wisconsin, and ND will be returning to Provo"

Texas also visits Laramie, WISC also visits Fresno/Las Vegas and ND is headed to provo after 2-Star byu makes multiple-visits to South Bend, first!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

After your post I double checked, and you are right (it pains me to say that to a troll), I had looked at Phil Steele's blog that employed the "NCAA method," and under that BYU was ranked #25. I can't find his "toughest schedules for 2013" online, so I'll have to take your word for it.

Even still, most of what I said still applies... BYU's rank of #49 would be among the top 5 Utah (and BYU) schedules of all-time. It's a great SOS, especially when you consider how diverse and balanced it is. Steele notes that BYU has eight marquee games this season (Utah has an impressive seven), and several of those are at home. Even better, BYU is projected to go 5-3 in those games, while Utah is projected to go 1-6. Go Cougs!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Wiscougarfan

"After your post I double checked, and you are right (it pains me to say that to a troll), I had looked at Phil Steele's blog that employed the "NCAA method," and under that BYU was ranked #25. I can't find his "toughest schedules for 2013" online, so I'll have to take your word for it."

Actually, what you did was to go with what was stated on page 336, instead of what was stated on page 337, because the former would give some meat to your "argument", whereas the latter would blow it up, completely! Nice try!

"It's a great SOS, especially when you consider how diverse and balanced it is."

In other words, it's ripe with weeks-off in-between the tougher games! Gotcha!

"Steele notes that BYU has eight marquee games this season (Utah has an impressive seven), and several of those are at home."

Huh?

"Even better, BYU is projected to go 5-3 in those games, while Utah is projected to go 1-6. Go Cougs!"

The only thing this proves is that 2-Star byu is 2nd-to-none when it comes to the PRE-season! I absolutely love it!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

I know name calling is kind of a requirement for trolls, but you might want to rethink the "2-Star BYU" slight. True, that Utah usually wins the "recruiting battle" if you go by star rankings. BYU fans understand that BYU is a different kind of institution and recruiting well known (high star) athletes there is certainly a challenge. That being said, Utah has more 15 plus two-star recruiting classes (3) in the Mendenhall era than BYU (2) and the difference between the two in average recruiting team rankings is not very large.

Further, trolls continually cite SOS as well as winning the recruiting battles as reasons for a superior program. Those are both measures of potential, not performance. BYU counters with rankings, a measure of performance. Pointing out star rankings and SOS just further shows how impressive BYU has been in their overall performance (doing more with less). Utah currently owns the head-to-head (another performance indicator), which is why debating the better program on these boards is so fun. Without that one performance indicator there would be no debate.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

"The only thing this proves is that 2-Star byu is 2nd-to-none when it comes to the PRE-season! I absolutely love it!"

Give me a break, pre-season SOS is what you continue to post about. The only difference between BYU and Utah's pre-season hype is that BYU is expected to win most of their games while Utah is expected to lose most of theirs.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned that 3-Star DE Isaiah Nacua has de-committed from 2-Star byu!

His other 2 offers are from UTAH/ASU! Guess where he's likely to end up? LOL

As it currently stands per Scout, 2-Star byu has 4 2-Stars, 3 3-Stars and 1 NR! Good times!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

wiscougarfan--

"Further, trolls continually cite SOS as well as winning the recruiting battles as reasons for a superior program. Those are both measures of potential, not performance. BYU counters with rankings, a measure of performance. Pointing out star rankings and SOS just further shows how impressive BYU has been in their overall performance (doing more with less). Utah currently owns the head-to-head (another performance indicator), which is why debating the better program on these boards is so fun. Without that one performance indicator there would be no debate."

Please! Only in your wildest fantasies is what you stated even remotely close to reality!

Face it, 2-Star byu loses annually to UTAH and since UTAH joined The PAC-12, the gap in recruiting is widening rapidly! 2-Star byu has never played against a legitimate week-in, week-out grind of a schedule and their 2013 schedule is no different! Just simply look at UTAH's mid-season 8-game week-in, week-out grind for a comparison!

2-Star byu pads their record against the NMSUs of College Football and hopes voters don't actually look at their body-of-work! Good times!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Wiscougarfan

"Give me a break, pre-season SOS is what you continue to post about. The only difference between BYU and Utah's pre-season hype is that BYU is expected to win most of their games while Utah is expected to lose most of theirs."

That PRE-season trophy case of 2-Star byu's is on the verge of bursting! I absolutely love it!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
"That PRE-season trophy case of 2-Star byu's is on the verge of bursting! I absolutely love it!"

I'm glad you love it and have such a positive outlook. After all, when Utah has very little in the trophy case, for pre or post season one might worry about ute nation being depressed. Good to know you're still drinking the crimson kool aid and all is well with you.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@wisccoug

Make no mistake; being sincere.

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