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Published: Monday, June 24 2013 12:25 p.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

That's right - sue them into submission!
Like any other consumer product.

Necessity is the Mother of Invention.

FreedomFighter41
Orem, UT

Brilliant idea!

Let the poor and middle-class, who are already struggling to pay the bills, waste their money suing gigantic billion dollar companies and their armies of lawyers!

sigh

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

What a goofy idea.

So, if, while using my circular saw I "misuse" my saw and take off a slice of my finger; I should get to sue the manufacturer?

A gun is a tool, nothing more.

Lets face it, some people hate and/or have a fear of guns. They probably need professional help to address those fears.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

What a moron.

Do we sue the car companies when somebody is killed because of driver negligence? Do we sue lawn mower companies every time a finger tip is clipped off? What about drunk drivers that kill somebody, do we sue the alchohol manufacturers, or do we sue the bar that sold alchohol irresponsibly and the driver?

Suing the gun manufacturers makes no sense. Their product worked perfectly. The problem is that the owner was not using their gun in a responsible way.

It is this mentality that has given us parents suing schools because their kids failed too many classes to graduate.

To "FreedomFighter41" many of the gun companies are actually quite small, and are not "billion dollar" companies.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Yes why not, but only if people who get in a car accident can sue automakers, and fat people can sue grocery stores. gun makers shouldn't be any different. If anything they should be more protected because the right to keep guns is a constitutional right.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I believe that with rights come responsibilities."

So, you must also believe we should tighten Utah's lax dram-shop laws and permit lawsuits against those responsible for the carnage on Utah's highways -- the "hospitality" industry, including brewers, distillers, and distributors of alcoholic beverages, huh?

Alcohol-related crimes, accidents, and disease cause WAY more death, destruction, and misery in Utah -- and every other state, for that matter -- than do guns.

As a test of liberals' real level of commitment to our safety, let's see whether they demand similar accountability of the more cynical and dangerous "hospitality" industry.

Liberals?

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@1conservative Take a moment and think about your statement a bit more. "A gun is a tool, nothing more." A tool who's intention is to fire projectiles at high velocities to create a destructive effect, to either destroy an object, or kill a living being. When used properly a fire arm is intended to kill. The gun companies should not deserve any special laws protecting them liability. The same logic can be used to protect the Tabacco industry, their product is designed to kill, we don't provide liability protection to the Tobacco industry do we?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

They can sue a bar who serves to much Alcohol.
They've sued bands for kids committing suicide after a listen.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "They can sue a bar who serves to much Alcohol."

Yeah -- but the gist of this article is that people should be able to sue gun manufacturers.

Under Utah's current lax dram-shop laws, people are not allowed to sue the brewers, distillers, and distributors, whose untold billions in blood money finances the propaganda campaigns that encourage the consumption that is responsible for alcohol's death and misery tolls.

C'mon liberals -- are you concerned about our lives and health, or not?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

1conservative

WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

What a goofy idea.

So, if, while using my circular saw I "misuse" my saw and take off a slice of my finger; I should get to sue the manufacturer?

A gun is a tool, nothing more.

Lets face it, some people hate and/or have a fear of guns. They probably need professional help to address those fears.
1:58 p.m. June 24, 2013

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The makers of "tools" are sued all the time.
Why do you think there are now blade guards and brakes on skill saws?
[because people like to pay more money for their "tools?]

And as for a gun being nothing more than a "tool",
The day I believe that will be the day a madman attacks and kills 26 school children with a circular saw.

Let's face it, you are wrong.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Procura is only partially correct. Let's edit his post to make it true.

Under Utah's (and our nation's) current lax gun laws, people are not allowed to sue the gun dealers, gun makers, and gun show organizers, whose untold billions in blood money finances the propaganda campaigns that encourage the plague of guns and ammunition that is responsible for firearms' death and misery tolls.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

This is stupid! If this happens, then anyone who makes alcoholic beverages, cars, power tools, or anything will be open to a law suit.

Why don't we hold the criminal accountable, not the inanimate object that was used as a weapon?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Can you imagine the swallowness of the argument to sue gun manufacturers? Can a criminal sue the manufacturer of firearms when a policeman uses that firearm to protect himself or the public?

We have the right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from lawlessness whether that lawlessness is from the criminal element or whether it is from an out of control government. The people set the rules in America, not the government.

Gun manufacturers can be sued if their firearms do not perform as expected. If a "gun" explodes, the user or his family can sue the manufacturer.

Some ill-informed and misguided people would turn that around. They would sue car manufacturers if a car was used in the commission of a crime. They would sue drug companies if someone misused medication. They would sue the agency whose responsibility it is to provide water from the resevoirs if someone drowned in their swimming pool.

It's time to grow up. It's time to stop looking for ways to overturn the Constitution.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" you are not quite looking at it right. Lets look at it in terms of a chain saw. Lets say that somebody loses it, pulls out a chain saw and starts hacking on people. Should those that were injured be able to sue the chain saw manufacturer?

I liked cjb's example of fat people. If I eat too may "Grandma's Cookies" get fat or get lots of cavities, can I sue the maker of "Grandma's Cookies" for producing an item that has caused me harm?

To "one old man" you are wrong, you can sue the gun dealer if they illegally sold a gun to a person. See "Mississippi pawnshop sued in Chicago cop's death" in the Chicago Tribune. What logical sense does it make to sue a gun manufacturer because their product worked correctly?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Gunmakers have the responsibility to see that vendors/gun dealers who sell their weapons do so in a lawful manner.

If gunmakers are selling their weapons to dealers whose business practices result in a large percentage of guns being used in crimes, then gunmakers should stop supplying that particular dealer.

Guns are designed specifically to kill and maim. Any analogy to cars or anything else is nonsense.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

I'm a liberal and I think that's a terrible idea.

Sue them if it malfunctions but not for being shot. Extreme nonsense positions do nobody any good.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Mike Richards, "swallowness?????"

Have gun makers and dealers been bribing Swallow too? I thought it was only the electronic guys and multi-level marketers. That guy must have been busier than we originally thought he was.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Truthseeker" you want the gun manufacturers to enforce the law??! What sense does that make? Do the makers of cold medicines make sure that the grocery store sells them in accordance with the law?

What about car dealers, do the manufacturers make sure that everything the car dealers do is legal?

You seem to have an agenda against gun manufacturers, and want to make it so difficult on them that it would drive them out of business.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Just this past week, in a sad situation a person was killed with a golf club. Many murders are committed with items other than guns. There is a great difference between being allowed to bring suit than having the courts allow rewards for nonsense suits. The reference to the 2.5 million dollars in suing the gun manufacturer does not tell us if it was a judicial reward or a settlement for ending a frivolous law suit. Such is the nature of consumer injury law suits. More money is garnered from settlements out of court than actual liability being settled in court.

By the logic of suing gun manufactures, we can see the next law suits against the manufactures of the golf industry, the makers of baseball bats, and then again the knife manufactures. They should be held responsible for the safe and legal handling of their products and the prevention of them getting into the hands of criminals. You do realize the purpose of a knife is made for is to cut, penetrate or kill. Yes kill, that is why they are stuck on the end of military rifles.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Gunmakers have the responsibility to see that vendors/gun dealers who sell their weapons do so in a lawful manner."

So, why not brewers, distillers, and distributors of alcohol? What lets them off the liberal hook?

Unenlightened liberal self-interest, maybe?

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