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Published: Sunday, June 23 2013 6:30 p.m. MDT

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Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

Gotta love how Utah fans have to slice and dice records in order to make the Utes SEEM better than they actually are. Bottom line is this, how many BYU and Utah bowl teams were good enough to finish in the AP Top 25?

BCS era (just to humor our jealous Utah friends)
BYU 5 of 11 = 45%
Utah 4 of 11 = 36%

Overall
BYU 16 of 31 = 52%
Utah 5 of 17 = 29%

Success is defined by how you finish, NOT by how your opponents finish.

I think that should put the actual accomplishments smack to rest.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteanymous

"Success is defined by how you finish, NOT by how your opponents finish."

Are you saying that the Utes should abandon their plans to build a SOS wing for their Hall of Fame closet?

btw,

Of BYU's 31 bowl opponents, 16 have finished in the AP Top 25, 52%.
Of Utah's 17 bowl opponents, only 5 have finished in the AP Top 25, 29%.

BYU has played almost as many AP ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls.

BYU's SOS wing would dwarf Utah's :)

shorts
Payson, UT

@Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

When Utah plays the big boys with a winning record Utah has a losing record. Utah has played more bad BCS teams then BYU. What is your point.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan

I don't believe that diminishes BYU's 6-5 (.545) record... which is also very impressive, and certainly a step in the right direction for BYU (whose prior bowl record was pretty horrible).

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Huh?

Sorry 5-7 is "bottom feeder" according to BYU fans, so 6-5 is not that much better.

FYI Texas, Notre Dame, and Florida also don't play in New Mexico type bowls against teams like UTEP.

Correction: BYU's BCS era Bowl SOS:

27% vs top 25
36% vs top 30
55% vs top 35

So playing a weaker schedule BYU is 6-5.

P.S. Wiscougarfan, you might not know this, but in a free society one can post anywhere.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous: "Success is defined by how you finish, NOT by how your opponents finish."

True success is defined on how you finish:

Utah 10-1
BYU 6-5

"Bottom line is this, how many BYU and Utah bowl teams were good enough to finish in the AP Top 25?"

Actually, the bottom line is not all top 25 rankings are equal...

BCS Era Rankings:

Utah: 2001 #25, 2004 #4, 2008 #5, 2009 #18
BYU: 2001 #24, 2006 #16, 2007 #14, 2008 #25, 2009 #12

Ironically, I don't think there is a single Ute that will print a "Quest" t-shirt for what BYU accomplished during the BCS era.

Edwards era is over, you guys need to move on. Just like the top in-state recruits have from BYU.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Uteology

"FYI Texas, Notre Dame, and Florida also don't play in New Mexico type bowls against teams like UTEP."

If you’d like a more appropriate comparison, here’s a list of teams generally ranked close to BYU but that have lower all-time bowl winning percentages: Virginia Tech (.360), Texas Tech (.367), Arkansas (.372), Oregon (.400), Texas A&M (.424). What do all these teams have in common? They’ve all played in at least 25 bowl games, approximately double the number Utah has played in. BYU ranks 26th in all-time bowl appearances while Utah ranks 52nd, right behind Fresno State, Southern Miss, Houston, Baylor, Tulsa, and Virginia.

Other teams with bowl winning percentage from .667 to 1.000: Toledo, South Florida, Miami (Ohio), Marshall, New Mexico State, Idaho. What do these schools have in common with Utah? Far fewer bowl appearances.

And say what you will about BYU's "teams like UTEP" bowl opponents, just remember that 5 of the last 8 were PAC 12 teams.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan

Other teams with bowl winning percentage from .667 to 1.000: Toledo, South Florida, Miami (Ohio), Marshall, New Mexico State, Idaho. What do these schools have in common with Utah? Far fewer bowl appearances.

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What do they NOT have in common with Utah?

* Two top 4 rankings
* 2 BCS bowl wins (#25 Pitt and #6 Bama)
* Highest winning percentage vs BCS teams as a mid-major
* Talent (Utah has more NFL players)
* Ranked #10 program according to CBS Sports over the last decade

Number of bowl appearances means nothing if you don't consider the SOS.

You compared your bowl winning percentage to Texas and Notre Dame and now to Oregon? The Ducks has played about 9 ranked bowl opponents in the BCS era alone and BYU 3.

I compared Utah and BYU Bowl SOS during the BCS era, with 11 bowls each. The data shows that BYU played a weaker bowl schedule compared to Utah, yet finished a "bottom feeder" 6-5.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

"True success is defined on how you finish:"

Unless you live under that crimson bubble on the hill, true success is defined by how successful you are for the ENTIRE season, not just for one game at the end of the season.

A Top 25 team losing to an even better Top 25 team in a bowl is still MUCH BETTER than a mediocre unranked team beating another mediocre unranked team in a bowl.

All Top 25 Rankings are BETTER than being unranked.

A quest is a goal, not an accomplishment.

There's nothing wrong with putting a goal on a t-shirt. BYU's unrealized quest still resulted in a #25/#21 10-3 season that was better than 11 of Utah's 15 BCS era seasons.

Utah does have two Top 10 finishes during the BCS era, but BYU has three Top 15 finishes, and leads Utah 5-4 in total Top 25 finishes.

2008 #2/#4 Utah
2004 #4/#5 Utah
2009 #12/#12 BYU
2007 #14/#15 BYU
2006 #16/#15 BYU
2009 #18/#18 Utah
2003 #21/#21 Utah
2008 #25/#21 BYU
2001 #25/#24 BYU

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Snack
There's nothing wrong with putting a goal on a t-shirt. BYU's unrealized quest still resulted in a #25/#21 10-3 season that was better than 11 of Utah's 15 BCS era seasons.

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Preseason goals on t-shirts is as cool as celebrating a 1-0 start at airports:

"PROVO — People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated."

Being exposed as a BCS fraud by #7 TCU and #2 Utah is one thing but getting exposed by a 7-5 Arizona in your own bowl game is priceless. I'm willing to bet that 2008 Cougar team would have been OWNED by 12 of the last 15 Ute teams.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Great news today regarding the scheduling of November games... two future November games against USC! Will Utah ever get the chance to play SC in November? I doubt it, that time is reserved for rivalry games so they'll have to continue playing WSU and Colorado in November. Go Cougs!

Zoniezoobie
Mesa, AZ

Trojans sign up their newest rival, against the premise of this article. Maybe the Cougs will make the Coliseum their home away from home if talks with the Christmas Bowl continue.

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