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Published: Sunday, June 23 2013 6:30 p.m. MDT

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JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Talk to me when you been relevant for 40-50 years"

NightOwl:

Okay, I'll play.

Every time a y "fan" says something like that, they are REALLY talking about half of LaVell's seasons and half of Roscoe's seasons, which they want to compare to Utah's down decade or two and to last season. But when actually looking at 50 year blocks, Utah got to relevance first.

From 1922 through the 1971 season, BYU's record was 173-235-26, a 42% winning record, 1 conference championship and no bowl games.

During that same time period, Utah's record was 296-167-21, a 64% winning record, 19 conference championships, and 3 bowl games.

Yes, that 1984 y team that fell into a national championship is hard for Ute fans to take. But that was the only undefeated season the y has had in its history. Utah has had 4 in since 1922, 2 in the last 10 years.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@jimmypage

Parents basement?

Pretty close... pretty close...

But here is the harsh reality for Mr. Jimmypage and the Cougar Nation... whether it comes from Grandma's basement or from Tom Holmoe himself... the truth hurts just the same.

worf
Mcallen, TX

When the going gets tough,--the tough gets going!

Independence is great! Go Cougs!

BYU sports on TV in Missouri
Lebanon, MO

Until the benefits of playing BYU in November outweigh the risks of losing to BYU in November, November games will be a tough sell. If you look at the other Independent programs apart from Notre Dame, there are few traditionally strong teams playing independents in November. I am sure BYU will get to where the November Games are just as good as earlier in the season. It will just take some time.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

It's okay with me if we don't play big boys in November... Idaho, Idaho State, Utah, Weber State , Colorado are all okay... We need to just make sure that we win our September and October games...

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

wiscougarfan--

"And don't forget the one you lost was a shell-shacking from another WAC team 26-3 (to BSU in 2010)."

2010 BSU was a well-oiled machine led by KM, nothing resembling 2012 BSU, which was breaking-in virtually an entirely brand-new O and had ZERO PK, but certainly resembling 2003 BSU which, BTW, administered a freaking doozy of a beating upon 2-Star byu on 2-Star byu's homefield, 50-12! OUCH!

2010 BSU's lone defeat was in an OT-thriller by a mere 3-PTS at then #19 UNR, costing them yet another BCS Bowl Game they were this close to it, something 2-Star byu's never even remotely sniffed, and beat the following schools during the season, in addition to JW-less #19 UTAH which, BTW, had just barely secured their annual gimme W over 2-Star byu in their previous game--

#10 VT back there on The East Coast, 33-30; #24 OSU, 37-24 & usu, 50-14.

They put-up 42 on 1 OPP/48-59 on 8 OPPs, finishing a dominating overall season at 12-1 & ranked #9 in the final BCS poll [UNR #11/VT #16]. Nice try!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

@Justmythoughts--

"@azute

Yes..it is a good thing Utah dumped BYU to play Freso State and that fertile California recruiting ground.....oh wait ... I guess playing UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford didn't give them enough California exposure......please"

That breeze you felt fly by overhead....That's correct!

My relief that a genuine recruiting-guru has FINALLY surfaced on these threads, certainly it's palpable, correct?

In all honesty, I'm utterly speechless right now....WOW!

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

The Ute trolls commenting on this article remind me of the guys who love to bring up the fact that they own a corvette..... Even though their corvette is all rusted out, dented up and has the muffler dragging on the ground. They think it is imprssive to say they own a corvette, but everyone else thinks that until they have done something to improve it, their car is just another rustbucket no better than the rusted out cars parked next to it.

BYU Is headed in the right direction. They have a great schedule, they have players getting national attention for all the right reasons and the fans get to watch the games all over the country. Scheduling November games will be tough we all know it. Not worried about it. I am sure things will work out fine. Go Cougars!

Jeff29
Draper, UT

Yes, Utah fans, you win. Utah has an easier time scheduling than BYU (it might have something to do with the fact that the U has 9 of their games scheduled for them).

Here's the difference: PAC 12 schools come to Salt Lake because they HAVE to; anyone who comes to Provo (including PAC 12 schools) does so because they WANT to.

ekute
Layton, UT

Is Missouri bragging about *1984 again?

#1 SLC Sports Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

This merely illustrates why the brethren should do the right thing and just drop the football program at BYU. Conference realignment over the past 3 years has dictated the BYU program is irrelevant, unwanted & undesirable and will likely fade into history and be just like Rice University, Tulane University, a program with a more than half empty big stadium 5-6 Sautrdays each fall. Rick's College gave up athletics completely to become BYU-Idaho, why not "Rexburgize" the football program in Provo at the very least? That very least is it makes no sense whatsoever for a religious school that teaches Sabbath Day Observance to be preparing players for that great Sunday descecrating league known as the NFL.

Ronald Uharriet
SWun City, Ca.

THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION:

When you talk about what our players do, that is good during a game, please talk about the games that we play against like ND, Wisconsin, Ga Tec. Va., Boise State, Utah, Texas Longhorns, Colorado State, Washington State, and other Nationally respected teams.

When you talk about what our players do vs Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico and the like, it really doesn't mean anything and therefore it isn't worth the time to read about it, when you talk about what we do vs. teams that 100 out of the 124 teams can beat.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

No more late night games in November!
Wait, no more home games in November?

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Jeff29
Draper, UT
Yes, Utah fans, you win. Utah has an easier time scheduling than BYU (it might have something to do with the fact that the U has 9 of their games scheduled for them).

Here's the difference: PAC 12 schools come to Salt Lake because they HAVE to; anyone who comes to Provo (including PAC 12 schools) does so because they WANT to.

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LOL that's priceless!
Have you seen some of the contract agreements BYU has made lately? BYU schedules 4 for 2 because they HAVE to!!!!

BYU has to go to South Bend because the HAVE to. ND goes to Provo because they HAVE to. Even though its less times than BYU going to South Bend. Yesserrreee, BYU ends up on the losing end before the game is even played!

Teams like Idaho St, and their new band of independent buddies WANT to play in Provo. They get a payout and play on TV.

So you got Texas to play at LES. Big deal. Wyoming got Texas to play in Laramie a few years ago.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan

Seriously? BYU fans talking about SOS in the post season?

During the BCS era, 36% of Utah’s bowl teams were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30.... record 10-1.

Now your turn, during the BCS era can you tell us why BYU went 6-5? BYU must have played some tough competition?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Justmythoughts

@azute

Yes..it is a good thing Utah dumped BYU to play Freso State and that fertile California recruiting ground.....oh wait ... I guess playing UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford didn't give them enough California exposure......please

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That's not how recruiting works.

"By far the most fertile recruiting ground for all schools is California. The current [PAC-10] full round robin means each year both schools in the state of Oregon and the state of Washington will travel to Southern California to play either USC or UCLA and northern California to play Cal or Stanford... Anything that shakes up that arrangement is going to do a lot of harm to the Pacific Northwest schools"

Utah is following that same model, two road games in California: one in the South and one North.

The South road game is taken care of each year USC/UCLA.

The North game was played in 2011 (@Cali) but no games in 2012 and 2013. In 2014 we play @Stanford. From what I could find, in 2015 we have no PAC-12 North Cali game, thus @Fresno State.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

I feel bad about my comment above. I am thrilled to go to Southbend in November.

I do complain because I am a fan that wants BYU in a big conference. We are certainly deserving of it.

Funny, though many think any complainers about being Indy must be Utah fans on the BYU article.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

FACT: During the BCS era, 36% of Utah’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30:

2003: Utah 17 Southern Miss 0 (AP #28 - final #42)
2004: Utah 35 Pitt 7 (#19 - #25)
2005: Utah 38 GTech 10 (#24 - unranked)
2008: Utah 31 Bama 17 (#4 - #6)
2010: Utah 3 Boise 26 (#10 - #9)
2011: Utah 30 GTech 27 (#30 - unranked)

FACT: Over the same period, 36% of BYU’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30.

1999: BYU 3 Marshall 21 (AP #11 - final AP #10)
2001: BYU 10 Louisville 28 (#23 - #17)
2005: BYU 28 Cal 35 (#31 - #25)
2009: BYU 44 OSU 20 (#16 - #27)
2011: BYU 24 Tulsa 21 (#34 - unranked)
2012: BYU 23 SDSU 3 (#30 - unranked)

The difference, Utah went 10-1 (91%) and BYU 6-5 (55%).

I think that should but the "Bowl SOS" smack to rest.

Beck to Harline
Provo, UT

@#1 SLC Sports Fan

Is that a legitimate argument? Sounds a whole lot like Lucifer's plan to me.....take football away...take the player's agency to choose away...force them to not play on Sundays. That's a very deceptive solution.

Saying BYU is irrelevant is just plain ignorant any way you spin it, as well.

Go Cougs!
Go Utes! (Except in September)

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Uteology

I have no problem conceding that Utah's bowl record over the last fifteen years is amazing. I only posted earlier because you weren't telling the whole story (they've played a few pathetic opponents in addition to a few great ones).

I don't believe that diminishes BYU's 6-5 (.545) record... which is also very impressive, and certainly a step in the right direction for BYU (whose prior bowl record was pretty horrible). FYI, nearly all PAC 12 teams, as well as teams like Notre Dame, Texas, and Florida have bowl winning percentages less than .545. Both BYU and Utah are on the right track.

P.S. Uteology, you might not know this, but you're posting on a BYU comment board.

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