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Published: Thursday, June 20 2013 5:30 p.m. MDT

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skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

ekute

"Tell the truth, outside of the LDS community, is BYU discussed any more than Utah?"

Much more!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

If there was an undefeated Oklahoma and an undefeated BYU, the voters would get byu #1 based on the ESPN contract.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

SoonerUte

"As you Cougar fans are drawn in to the usual Utah-BYU dribble, you ignore the article. You should read it. It lays out for fans very clearly that BYU is not interested in playing for another national title."

It's interesting that someone who doesn't understand the difference between "dribble" and "drivel" would be lecturing Cougar fans on not understanding what the article said.

From the article:

"Holmoe knows that to be nationally relevant, BYU — especially as an independent — needs to have a perennially attractive schedule.

"We’re aiming to have a really good schedule that will look good and feel good, where the pundits and the people that are going to be determining who goes to the playoffs feel that it’s a good enough schedule to have a great season," he said.

Building BYU's program and schedule to the point that it's considered good enough for BYU to be invited to the playoffs (and hence, compete for a national championships) are clearly the ultimate goal Holmoe and BYU are aiming for.

ekute
Layton, UT

If there was an undefeated Utah and an undefeated byu, Utah would be ranked above byu because of our Pac12 schedule and affiliation.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

ekute

There's little point in speculating about undefeated seasons when U can't even beat a conference foe with a winning record.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Rockwell, consider that BYU's primary goal is exposure.

From the article: "the renewed emphasis on strength of schedule... will help the Cougars set up more high-profile games with opponents from all over the nation, Holmoe said."

Holmoe hopes that teams with national championship desires will beef up their non-conference schedule using a team like BYU. In other words, Holmoe sees BYU as a stepping stone for OTHER teams to get to the playoffs. Its a great role for BYU which gets exposure (primary goal) for the program. But if BYU upsets too many, then the major teams will quit scheduling BYU, and the exposure drops.

Its a difficult balance. BYU needs to beat enough teams to look like a strong mid-major, so that they look attractive to a major team's non-conference schedule. If BYU scheduled too many majors (required for an NC run), they might lose too many games, and negatively affect strength of schedule for the major teams. Thus my conclusion that BYU is not really interested in an NC run. Short term glory would be bad for long term business.

ekute
Layton, UT

@deductive reasoning

I was just having fun in response to Mr. Bass. Why didn't you respond the same to his comment?

Go Utes.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

SoonerUte

LOL at your spin.

BYU isn't just trying to help other teams look good, BYU's goal is to become even more nationally relevant themselves.

I know that's a hard pill for the BYU haters to swallow, but BYU is embarking on a course to increased national relevance that our little friends on the hill could only dream of.

BYU has never shied away from playing the big boys. The Cougars have been playing OOC opponents like Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Miami, Florida St, Penn St, USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame (many of them at home) for decades.

BYU - Independent
Utah - dependent

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

SoonerUte

You're not making any sense.

If BYU's primary goal, as you say, is exposure, then what could possibly bring more exposure than winning another national championship?

Playing big name teams on the national stage = good exposure
Beating big name teams on the national stage = better exposure
Winning another national championship in the playoffs = best exposure

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Duckhunter
Highland, UT
@nightowl

"Guaranteed is one thing, winning is another."

Good point 5-7 and 7-11. Losers.

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Right! It's fun to be on TV. But losing against ranked teams on a continual basis does wonders for ratings.

San Jose St. owns BYU 10-6 all time. Thanks ESPN!

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA
SoonerUte

LOL at your spin.

BYU isn't just trying to help other teams look good, BYU's goal is to become even more nationally relevant themselves.

I know that's a hard pill for the BYU haters to swallow, but BYU is embarking on a course to increased national relevance that our little friends on the hill could only dream of.

BYU has never shied away from playing the big boys. The Cougars have been playing OOC opponents like Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Miami, Florida St, Penn St, USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame (many of them at home) for decades.

BYU - Independent
Utah - dependent

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What does national relevance mean to you?
BYU is dependent on all of D1 football to schedule games. More at risk for cancelled contracts as we have already seen.
Utah belongs to a conference where a majority of their schedule is made each season.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: WACPaddingOurSchedule

"San Jose St. owns BYU 10-6 all time. Thanks ESPN!"

You've gotta love it when trolls have to reach back 50-60 years to find a slam. While you're at it, what about Utah's all-time records versus the Salt Lake City YMCA? I'll help... they own you 5-1 all-time. Have a nice day.

ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

Re:ekute

Agree. I have lived all over the country and outside of the ward houses, most people know nothing about BYU. Many know they are located in Utah and confuse them with the U. Now the one billion fans in China, I cannot speak as to their likes.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI
RE: WACPaddingOurSchedule

"San Jose St. owns BYU 10-6 all time. Thanks ESPN!"

You've gotta love it when trolls have to reach back 50-60 years to find a slam. While you're at it, what about Utah's all-time records versus the Salt Lake City YMCA? I'll help... they own you 5-1 all-time. Have a nice day.

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LOL! Look no further than last season. You know, the prime time game on ESPN where BYU lost to San Jose St. What an investment!
Have more cheese with your whine!

ekute
Layton, UT

ImaCaMan

Oceanside, CA

Thanks for the comment. I didn't want to accuse anybody of being less than truthful(specially not a byu "fan").

Go Utes.

scott
Alpine, UT

ImaCaMan

"I have lived all over the country and outside of the ward houses, most people know nothing about BYU."

Then you obviously don't get out much wherever you've lived.

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WACpaddled

Yes, let's look at last season. The Utes were denied a bowl game because they couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule. Only two WAC championships during 37 years in the conference. Only one bowl game during your first 30 years in the conference. Not a single AP Top 25 finish in your first 100 hundred years of football. You were owned by the WAC, and still are. Nothing more than a WACish team wearing at PAC 12 logo on your jersey.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

WACpaddled

Closer to home, the Utes are owned...

by Washington 0-8
by ASU 6-18
by Oregon 8-18
by UCLA 2-9
by USC 3-8
by Oregon St 6-10
by Colorado 25-31
by California 4-5
by Stanford 2-3

Since you haven't beaten a single PAC 12 team with a winning record since joining the conference, it may be time to reconsider joining a conference in which you're so hopelessly out classed across the board in every sport except women's gymnastics.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

scott
Alpine, UT

WACpaddled

Yes, let's look at last season. The Utes were denied a bowl game because they couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule. Only two WAC championships during 37 years in the conference. Only one bowl game during your first 30 years in the conference. Not a single AP Top 25 finish in your first 100 hundred years of football. You were owned by the WAC, and still are. Nothing more than a WACish team wearing at PAC 12 logo on your jersey.

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Why is BYU scared to play Colorado? Probably because they are 3-8-1 all time against them.
Well, you gotta do what you gotta do to preserve that WAC Legacy that BYU fans are so proud of.
Nothing more than a WACish team wearing a ?????? logo on your jersey.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

WACpaddled

"Why is BYU scared to play Colorado?"

LOL!

Now you're just frantically and emotionally making stuff up.

What makes you think BYU would be scared to play a team that the Cougars have beaten 3 of the last 4 times they've played and haven't lost to since a 7-9 setback in Boulder SIXTY-FIVE years ago???

In their last two meetings, BYU dominated Colorado in Boulder 41-20 and beat the Buffs in the Freedom Bowl 20-17?

btw, regarding that PAC 12 Washington team that owns the Utes 0-8,

BYU is 4-4 versus the Huskies, including three straight wins during the BCS era.

BYU is obviously much more competitive against the PAC 12, than that WACish program on the hill.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: WACPaddingOurSchedule

"Why is BYU scared to play Colorado? Probably because they are 3-8-1 all time against them."

I repeat that your head-to-head slams are indeed pretty weak. BYU has won six of their last eight against San Jose (2-1 since 1970, and their last lost was to a ranked SJSU), and has won three of the last four against Colorado (2-0 since 1970).

Utah, on the other hand, has won three of their last 14 against Colorado (1-1 since 1970), and is 14-12-2 all-time against WAC powerhouse Idaho (0-1 since 1970).

Of course these are all meaningless stats, but are simply meant to show how easy it is to make stats say whatever you want them to. Is BYU scared of Utah's new rival Colorado? Of course not, they would destroy them. Is BYU scared of San Jose? No, but they didn't expect such a great SJSU team last year. Obviously BYU does not shy away from great competition. Check out their schedule this year: Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin.

Utah, on the other hand, dropped BYU in favor of Fresno State. Which team is scared of who?

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