Comments about ‘BYU football: JC cornerback Robertson Daniel hopes to help out immediately’

Return to article »

Published: Thursday, June 20 2013 3:50 p.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
"byu is 2-3 against The PAC-12. They beat 2 schools, at '11 OSU and '12 WAZZU at home"

Seriously? You're going to get hung up on a technicality? Ok, in the Mendenhall era (as Wiscoug said) BYU has a winning record (9-7) against the PAC10/12, while Utah in the Whittingham era does not (11-14). Satisfied? This display of straw grasping reaks of desperation. Face it...BYU is better against your conference than U are.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

"BYU has a winning record (9-7) against the PAC10/12, while Utah in the Whittingham era does not (11-14). Satisfied? This display of straw grasping reaks of desperation. Face it...BYU is better against your conference than U are."

LOL....You predate UTAH's PAC-12 membership for byu, yet don't state it accurately for UTAH. Their time in the conference is an entirely different deal, when they're playing these schools, week-in, week-out. Before becoming a member, these games were played every once in a while. Apples-to-Oranges. Nice try....LOL

I compared what byu has done against The PAC-12 during this same 2-year period. Spin it all you want, but while byu fan points his finger at UTAH while playing against this legitimate weekly-grind, byu's played a total of 5 PAC-12 schools, in between their steady-diet of cupcakes, yet can produce merely the following in going 2-3, overall--

Beating only 2 bottom-feeders, getting utterly destroyed at home by the only 2 schools finishing the season above .500, to the tune of 96-34 combined, and going 0-2 against UTAH!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

ImaCaMan

"Re: down under

With that schedule of yours most any team would have the same results. Look out! Here comes SJSU!"

What's truly priceless, is that we all know SJSU was originally scheduled to add yet another cupcake to byu's schedule, in order to assist in ensuring bowl-eligibility! Then it freaking blew-up in byu's face when SJSU, to byu's utter surprise, happened to be good, which of course is precisely the type of team byu never beats, unless it's against usu by 3-PTS at home!

SJSU didn't behave and just simply lay-down as expected to do when they were initially scheduled! I absolutely love it!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

"BYU has a winning record against the PAC12 in the Mendenhall era."

This is incorrect--

byu is 2-3 against The PAC-12."

Oops, you're right, caught me on a technicality. Let me rectify my wrong. In the PAC 10+2 during the Mendenhall era BYU has a winning record, while Utah does not.

BYU vs. PAC10+2 teams (2005-present): 9-8 (.529)
Utah vs. PAC 10+2 teams (2005-present): 11-14 (.440)

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

"Oops, you're right, caught me on a technicality. Let me rectify my wrong. In the PAC 10+2 during the Mendenhall era BYU has a winning record, while Utah does not."

More of the same, Apples-to-Oranges, with UTAH's PAC-12 membership rendering this comparison no longer possible. LOL

But showing what byu has done during same 2 years against smaller sample, although not having to endure PAC-12 back-to-back weekly-grind, but rather playing them separated by the typical cupcakes featured on byu's annual-schedule, yet they still manage to produce utter-futility, beating only 2 cupcakes, getting annihilated at home by the lone 2 teams finishing above .500 and going 0-2 against UTAH!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: AZUTE1

"LOL....You predate UTAH's PAC-12 membership for byu, yet don't state it accurately for UTAH. Their time in the conference is an entirely different deal, when they're playing these schools, week-in, week-out. Before becoming a member, these games were played every once in a while. Apples-to-Oranges. Nice try....LOL."

Yep, I do predate Utah's PAC-12 membership. I was talking about the Mendenhall era... YOU are the one that changed the subject--because you had no favorable response. That's what trolls do, so you're holding up your end.

Concerned about the easy wins BYU has had vs PAC 10/12 in the Mendenhall era? Don't be, BYU has a better winning percentage against winning PAC teams (.333 to .143). BYU beat three teams with winning records, and their two losses were to 6-7 UCLA and 5-7 Utah. Utah beat two winning teams and lost to 3-10 Colorado.

Now in all fairness, Utah's overall SOS vs. PAC 10/12 teams is slightly higher (.485 to .465). As far as your "week-in, week-out" grind? Let's talk after you beat a team with a winning record.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
"I compared what byu has done against The PAC-12 during this same 2-year period. Spin it all you want, but while byu fan points his finger at UTAH while playing against this legitimate weekly-grind, byu's played a total of 5 PAC-12 schools, in between their steady-diet of cupcakes, yet can produce merely the following in going 2-3, overall--"

LOL..U can make all the excuses you want about weekly grind, and cry about how tough your conference is (as NV pointed out...it's because you're a WAC school in a major conference). Bottom line: BYU under Mendenhall has a winning record against teams in your conference while Kyle doesnt. Stop trying to make up excuses for that very simple FACT. If you're worried about apples and oranges, lets look at what Bronco and Whit did against the PAC before U went...Bronco 7-4, Whitt 4-3...advantage BYU/Bronco. And as you said comparing your "weekly grind" is apples and oranges...so why did you only use the last 2 years? Your frantic and desperate attempts at trying to disprove BYUs superiority against your conference is what's "truly priceless"..."LOL".

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

wiscougarfan--

The logic is flying overhead. First of all, what took place back in 2005 in now way impacts what the teams are today. Furthermore, given byu's lackluster performance against The PAC-12 today by virtue of these 5 games, just imagine how they'd fare playing against UTAH's PAC-12 slate! This is why it's utterly ridiculous to point-finger! You can point to one, single irrelevant game against CU, which is in fact an entirely different conversation, but this unrelated game in no way, whatsoever, mitigates what I can point to in easily topping you people, namely--

54-10 on byu's homefield during the same, exact season! Not to mention, byu's significantly weaker SOS! It's a no-win debate for you! 2011 CU is not only 100% irrelevant/unrelated to UTAH/byu, it amounts to a poor-man's distraction-tactic you people employ in avoiding reality out of utter desperation to cope, nothing more! I guarantee you, you'd trade places in a heartbeat, and you know it!

couglifer
South Jordan, UT

@AZUTE1

So what you are saying is what happened before 2011 is now irrelevant your own words. So the next time you start yapping about the 2008 and 2004 season it is in your own words irrelevant right. Or am I missing something here?
Also you and navel vet keep saying that all BYU fans keep giving excuses for losing what I would like to know is why all the excuses for BYU defense holding your pacwhatever rushing attack under average if BYU is so wac-ish then why this comment
UTAH was significantly more disadvantaged by key-injuries/suspension in last year's game, by miles and miles, yet still won the game, yet again.
JWIV took nearly 1/2 the season to recover and shouldn't have even seen the field against ASU down here, either.
All I ever hear are excuses made by byu fan as to why they registered their annual loss against UTAH in 2012.
Why would we as the winning school ever need to make excuses, ever? Huh?

couglifer
South Jordan, UT

cont.

Know body was challenging the outcome of the game what was being talked about was BYU’s defense. Yes Utah won the game but can’t you and you other BYU hater fans agree that BYU had a solid defense

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

@cougsndawgs--

Any explanation in refutation to any byu fan making vain attempt to elevate his team above mine becoming misinterpreted as somehow constituting, "crying"/making "excuses", couldn't be further from the truth! It's a necessary part of the obvious refutation in pointing-out the difference between playing PAC-12 teams randomly, with the likes of the Weber States/NMSUs/Hawaiis/Idahos of the College Football world mixed into it as breathers in-between, as opposed to facing them back-to-back in a week-in, week-out capacity! Posting records which have a 4-game disparity between them in total-games played is inherently incomparable! Why not go the next step in posting their head-to-head record, as well?

It's quite curious never seeing byu's performance against these 5 PAC-12 schools directly addressed by DesNews' posters! If this is all TDS can manage to "accomplish", just imagine how they'd fare facing UTAH's annual PAC-12 slate!

bm's incapable of ever winning big games/taking byu to the extent nationally which Coach KW has taken UTAH! Sure, he avoids the choke-jobs pretty consistently, but any byu fan being honest would trade places in a heartbeat!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

@couglifer--

Huh? I stated our key-injuries as fact, nothing more. Why would I feel the need to make excuses when my team won the game?

Regarding games played in years past, I've made clear my stance on it in the context within which I posted my previous comments.

Regarding byu's D, I've equally made my stance on it clear within my previous comments on this website. Football is multi-faceted, not limited to rushing the football/Rush-D. Within your comment you hit upon JWIV not playing, one of PAC-12's top RBs, and you referenced other key-injuries. These included QB, across our O-Line, WRs, etc. Yet, what is perceived to be the byu rush-D "prowess" is entirely irrelevant here, since UTAH won the game. Confusing regarding what point you're attempting to make here? Are you laying claim to some sort of moral victory, since UTAH didn't need lots of rushing-yards, in order to end-up victorious? The point is to end the game with the most points, correct? Please explain to me what your point is, because what I know is exclusively relevant is the following --

FINAL--UTAH 24 byu 21.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

AZUTE:
For the last time. I am using the only apples to apples argument available and that is what the coaches did when they were in the same boat. I do realize that playing these opponents every week vs once in awhile is different, so I used the period of time when both coaches played them once in awhile. Bronco 7-4, KW 4-3. What part of that logic are you not understanding...or are you simply avoiding it by saying pre 2011 doesn't count? As I said, logically the time that was the same for both coaches is the only fair comparison. FACT- BYU/Bronco vs the PAC10 7-4, Utah/KW vs the PAC10 4-3. That's the only logical and fair comparison, and the fact that Bronco had a better record can't be disputed despite all your spin and desperation at changing the discussion/argument (Wiscougar was talking about records against the PAC...not defense, not offense, not 54-10...records against the PAC).

WON84
PLANO, TX

"byu's gone 0-2 against UTAH."

No one outside of Salt Lake really counts Utah as a power conference team. Perhaps that's the reason for the discrepancy.

Cougar in Texas
Houston, TX

Robertson Daniel is a good pick up. He was team MVP and a JC All American in 2011 before sitting out last year.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments