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Published: Thursday, June 20 2013 3:50 p.m. MDT

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Tators:

It's not amazing at all. Your defense was stifling the weakest teams in the WAC while Utah's was going up against a slew of much more prolific Pac-12 Offenses.

It's also not amazing that the Utes beat our Indy-WACey little brother in 8 of the last meetings, while simultaneously recruiting better classes in 9 of the last 12. The teams with the most "star" recruits win the majority of the time. It's only amazing when those teams with the most "stars" lose.

But seriously folks!
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval,
Agree with the Tator. BYU coaches do more with less. Utah ranked much lower in all defensive stats. Must be the coaches.

But seriously folks!
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval Lint, and other BYU haters,
Since BYU can be a national leader in defense with your so called 0 and 2 star recruits it must mean that the BYU coaches can get more out their players than the Utah coaches with their 5 star players.

kaysvillecougar
KAYSVILLE, UT

Naval Vet is a star watcher. You should come out to the sundance film festival, hang out with Robert Redford. Come on, get out of philidelphia once in a while.

ekute
Layton, UT

Name calling, rankings and "it must be the coaches" doesn't get you a win on the field vs the Utes. lol

Go Utes.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Naval Vet

"Your defense was stifling the weakest teams in the WAC while Utah's was going up against a slew of much more prolific Pac-12 Offenses."

LOL at your constant whiny excuse making.

Georgia Tech (playing in a "big boy" conference) finished 2012 as the #2-ranked rushing offense in the country with 311 rushing ypg.

On October 12th, BYU visited Georgia Tech and completely shut down Georgia Tech's offense, holding the Yellow Jackets to 117 yards rushing and 157 yards total.

On December 31st, USC played Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl. Georgia Tech ran all over the mighty Trojans racking up 294 yards rushing and 369 yards total offense in a 21-7 win.

BYU Opponent Rushing Yards
Wash St -5
Weber St 115
Utah 49
Boise St 116
Hawaii 41
Utah St 41
Oregon St 118
Notre Dame 270
Ga Tech 117
Idaho 61
SJ St 59
NM St 29
SDSU 119

BYU's run defense was stout against everybody they played, including FIVE Top 25 teams.

Even Notre Dame, which had the most success, spent most of their time chewing up yardage between the 20's, while only managing to score 17 points.

Rockarolla
West Jordan, UT

For once Chris B might be right. The BYU secondary has been suspect for a while now. The biggest problem is finding athletes who can qualify academically. As you may or may not know, BYU doesn't take partial academic qualifiers. It's true that allot of great athletes cannot take the academic pressure put on by schools like Notre Dame, BYU and the Ivy league schools. If the academic standards were relaxed these schools would probably have a little more success in recruiting the elite athletes. Schools that will accept poorer academic proformers(like Utah fore instance) will always have a better shot at a larger pool of athletes. That's just a fact of life.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
"It's not amazing at all. Your defense was stifling the weakest teams in the WAC..."

BYU vs Utah stat line: first downs- BYU 25, Utah 14, total offense- BYU 312, Utah 245, rushing BYU 106, Utah 49, passing BYU 206, Utah 196. There were only 2 teams that held Utah to less yardage in their "big boy" schedule ute fans always brag about, ASU & Washington. There was NO ONE in said "big boy" schedule that held them to less yards rushing than BYU. Considering these facts and the "stifling" the Cougars did on the Utes, if one were to evaluate Naval Vets quote above, they would agree that he just made the best argument for how Utah is a "WACish" program masquerading in a "big boy" conference.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

BYU vs Utah stat line?

No, no, no, no! Final Score! THAT's the only "stat" that really matters.

Utah was simply the better team. Period. Just like we've been in at least 8 of the last 11 meetings. Now go wipe your tears.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
You missed the point of my post. I'm saying BYU held Utah to less yards rushing and less total yards (except ASU & Washington) than anyone else on Utah's so-called "big boy" schedule. So if BYUs defense was only ranked high as a result of "stifling the weakest teams in the WAC", yet BYU stifled Utah...what does that say about U? Utah= weak WAC team masquerading in a "big boy" conference...you nailed it NV! Lol

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

"No, no, no, no! Final Score! THAT's the only "stat" that really matters."

So, the year UNLV(2-10) shut out Utah, they were clearly the better team? By a long shot! I'm ok admitting that Utah was the better team last year, as long as you admit that UNLV was better than Utah that year; and not just in that game, but for the whole year because they won the head to head.

ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

Re: down under

With that schedule of yours most any team would have the same results. Look out! Here comes SJSU!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT
Naval Vet:
"It's not amazing at all. Your defense was stifling the weakest teams in the WAC..."

BYU vs Utah stat line: first downs- BYU 25, Utah 14, total offense- BYU 312, Utah 245, rushing BYU 106, Utah 49, passing BYU 206, Utah 196. There were only 2 teams that held Utah to less yardage in their "big boy" schedule ute fans always brag about, ASU & Washington.

Just goes to show you, U can take the team out of the WAC, but you can't take the WAC out of the team (or some of its nv-ous fans).

Or maybe more to the point, it's easier to put the team in the PAC than it is to put the PAC into the team!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Naval Vet

"It's not amazing at all. Your defense was stifling the weakest teams in the WAC while Utah's was going up against a slew of much more prolific Pac-12 Offenses."

Then, in the same discussion thread...

"No, no, no, no! Final Score! THAT's the only "stat" that really matters."

Your credibility is shot when you make contradictory statements. But here's some FACTS...
BYU had one of the best defenses in the country last year. BYU had a top 5 pick in the NFL draft from their defense. BYU's defense is projected to have another first rounder this year. BYU has a winning record against the PAC12 in the Mendenhall era. Can your team claim any of these things? NOPE. Go Cougs!

Koloss
Hampton, VA

@Cougsndawgs

Utah didn't have John White that game. The year before JW4 had 176 yards alone against BYU. Utah was also without Blechen, Rowe and Wynn. BYU couldn't even beat a depleted Utah team.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Koloss:
"Utah didn't have John White that game. The year before JW4 had 176 yards alone against BYU".

John White didn't have a great season last year. His best games came against the weaker defenses on Utah's schedule. I doubt he would have had much success against BYU had he been healthy. Comparing stats from 2011 is apples and oranges...BYUs defense was ranked much higher, and was much better in 2012. Also, you're above statement is exactly the problem with Utah in the PAC12. If someone goes down you have to have depth to recover...Utah obviously didn't/doesn't. BYUs starting RB also went down with a broken arm last year. We had a freshman stud that filled his shoes and then some. Where were all your 4 star athletes to fill for White? We also had multiple injuries on the offensive line, and an injured starting DE going into the Utah game, but we choose not to make excuses.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Koloss,

Really? Pretty weak. BYU's qb played the game with a broken back. Utah wasn't the only team in that game with injuries. Nice try though.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

wiscougarfan--

"BYU has a winning record against the PAC12 in the Mendenhall era."

This is incorrect--

byu is 2-3 against The PAC-12. They beat 2 schools, at '11 OSU and '12 WAZZU at home, which both finished at the bottom of conference standings. They played against 2 schools which finished the season with a winning record, '11 UTAH and '12 OSU, and got absolutely brutally curb-stomped by both schools at home, combined to the tune of 96-34! Their 5th game was yet another loss against UTAH, this time at '12 UTAH.

byu's gone 0-2 against UTAH.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

UTAH was significantly more disadvantaged by key-injuries/suspension in last year's game, by miles and miles, yet still won the game, yet again.

JWIV took nearly 1/2 the season to recover and shouldn't have even seen the field against ASU down here, either.

All I ever hear are excuses made by byu fan as to why they registered their annual loss against UTAH in 2012.

Why would we as the winning school ever need to make excuses, ever? Huh?

No, we point-out all of our key-injuries merely to punctuate the fact we were playing at significantly less than 100%, easily more so than byu, yet we still beat byu. Spin away, but only the loser, by definition, is qualified to make excuses!

This is an annual tradition for byu as the annual loser!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Note on my previous comment--

"Spin away, but only the loser, by definition, is qualified to make excuses!"

Yet, it in no way means these excuses even remotely are valid, particularly the excuses byu fan's become notoriously infamous for making over the decades!

I've yet to witness, during my entire lifetime, byu fan acknowledge byu lost the game, ANY game lost, because the other school was actually better than them and just simply outplayed them!

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