Duck - nothing against Vic So'Oto but I didn't even know he was on the
Redskins. He has only appeared in a handful of games, has less than 10 career
tackles, and is listed 4th on the depth chart at his position. I wouldn't
call that doing 'pretty well' in the NFL. He at least made a roster
the past 3 years as an undrafted free agent but hardly an example of the success
of BYU putting poly kids into the NFL.Even you would be hard pressed
to argue that your team has been more successful in this area than Utah over the
past few years.
Vegas: Will do. And, as I said, I am quite happy to discuss things with someone
who will do it rationally, as you do. Another quote from the aforementioned
Gurney blog is this: "After he committed to Utah Lotulelei
stated that he didn’t care that BYU didn’t offer since he liked Utah
better anyway, but those feelings often come about after a recruit feels spurned
by a particular program." That of course also makes it sound
like a fact that Star didn't get offered, but at this point I'm really
past caring. Clearly, only one story is right, unless of course the rating
services got their information directly from Star, who interpreted something
said by Doman as being an offer when in fact it wasn't. Then, I suppose,
both sides could be right, and the discussion could continue. But I'm
quite happy to let it rest now.
Passion - not to be argumentative, but as a side note, Rivals isn't the
only reporting service that reflected the offer with Brandon Doman specifically
being the recruiter.Take it for what it's worth.Go
Perspective - Cougar Passion was responding to me and my post. He admitted that
he may be wrong and gave me credit for what I posted. As a side note, he showed
me why he thought the way he did about Star, which I accepted. No big deal! We
were having a fair discussion, so I am a little offended, with you as a Ute fan,
that you attacked him so hard over nothing. Please, don't be a Chris B!Chill!Just friendly advice from a caring Ute brother.Go Utes!!
Why does anyone respond to Chrissy?In response to islanda, despite
the best efforts by some to make it look like the utes only care about football,
the utes do have a very strong bond among all their poly brothers. Many recruits
choose the utes because of this. Many former players that never made the pros
still come back and actively support the team. Even some poly players that
didn't play for utah, but are in the pros (Haloti Ngata) have adopted the
utes (and the utes have adopted him too) because of the great support and
comradery that exists at Utah. You know the Polynesian culture, how
it is inclusive of others that aren't islanders. This atmosphere created by
the strong Polynesian presence also makes Utah more attractive to recruits of
any background. And don't mistake our happiness for guys like Star, Misi,
Soliai, Fanene, ma'afala, Asiata, Komeuatu, etc etc as anything other than
happiness for and pride in our Utah brothers.
Cougar PassionYour passion clouds your judgment. You and I have had this
discussion before. You are more than willing to accept a statement from a byu
centric sports journalist as long as it's what you want to see. Ask the
questions, look at other sources, and evaluate. Then tell us what you find.
Fair enough? Cheers!Go Cougs
MyPerspective: This is the only time I will respond to you. I am happy to
discuss things rationally with fans of another school who are willing to do the
same, as is clearly the case with VegasUte. Or did you not notice that VegasUte
was willing to let it go after I referenced Brandon Gurney's blog post?
Look, I don't know if in fact BYU offered Star and lied to Gurney about
it--that's highly doubtful--or if somehow Gurney didn't hear it
correctly--that's also fairly unlikely--or if Rivals got it wrong. I
frankly think that is the most likely of the three, given that Rivals likely did
not have direct contact with BYU's coaches, don't you? But given your
obsession with trying to prove that Star was in fact offered by BYU when I
offered a source that reported direct contact with BYU saying otherwise,
I'm guessing it won't matter what I say. I did say to VegasUte that I
might be wrong. I also thought it was important to state all I knew, which is
why I followed up with Gurney's blog post.
Great camp, great instruction and great coaches - good camaraderie. However,
although it's open to all players of other nationalities/races beyond
Polynesian - I noticed that non-Polynesian campers are not provided a genuine
means to get out on the field during scrimmages, the first choice of a coach at
the camp is a Polynesian. Had anyone else noticed that or is it just me? Just
Cougar PassionYour obsession with Star not selecting byu is unbelievable.
Go to Rivals and look it up. byu did, in fact, offer Star a scholarship. Look
it up instead of making it up.
“It’s about feeling part of a community and realizing that you have
the potential to be a success on the football field, but especially off of it in
the pursuit of education.”I absolutely agree with this
statement!!! A great example is Star, who struggled but stayed in
school to get his degree when he could have easily bailed to the NFL last year.
He'll be a star on the football field but I feel he's a great roll
model in the class room.Props to AT for what he is doing for these
Cougar Passion: Fair enough.
VegasUte: Just so you know that I wasn't imagining things, Brandon
Gurney said in a DN blog post from 5/1/2012, after mentioning Jesse Taufi along
with Bernard Afutiti: "Most BYU fans aren't familiar with
those two names, but they should have been. Afutiti and Taufi both signed with
BYU in 2008 and went on to prove to be two of the better line performers
I've seen since first covering BYU practices back in 2003.Both
of them flamed out in the classroom and never played a down for the team while
taking up valuable scholarship spots. BYU coaches were likely heartbroken to see
two extremely talented players not see the field due to not hacking it
academically and were subsequently hesitant to pursue Lotulelei, as a result.I was told by a BYU assistant that they did not pursue Lotulelei due to
existing academic concerns."
VegasUte:Good enough. As I said, I've been wrong before. I had
heard enough over time about how BYU had soured on experiences with a couple of
highly-rated JC players, defensive lineman specifically--Bernard Afutiti was
one; can't remember the other one right now--that they chose not to take a
second chance on JC lineman Star, who had already missed qualifying for them out
of high school. The story line--again, heard many times--was that this mindset
cost them when they saw Star do sufficiently well academically, and that they
were now reconsidering the risks of offering a scholarship to someone who may
well fail academically versus the help that player could give to the line if he
managed to make it.
"Bronco fired all of his poly coaches several years ago, that was a
brilliant move. Now he has seen that he was wrong and hired a couple this
year."I suppose I could spend all day correcting the
misinformation from Ute trolls in the comments in articles about BYU, but I just
don't have time. So I'll just quickly point out to u25 that Steve
Kaufusi has been a key member of the BYU coaching staff ever since he left Utah
Islanda - Nicely said!!
JDL and Passion - Star came out of JC in 2010. He had offers, coming our of
Snow, from Utah, BYU, Oregon State and Utah State. BYU's recruiter was
Brandon Doman. Not trying to be a Chris B on this one, but BYU DID have a
second shot at Star, and Star chose Utah. I'm sure the statement that Star
wanted to go to BYU is correct, but only as it relates to his recruitment out of
high school.Go Utes!!
@Chris B and your fans,Its pretty sad how guys all care about Poly
when only comes to football, you don't even consider them to be part of a
community. that's all you care about, if those Polys don't do well
I'm pretty sure you are gonna forget and don't even care. Only to make
your Utes team better or something like that. Tell me how many of the
Polynesian player didn't make it to the NFL and now have successful career
that you know of I WANT YOU TO NAME THEM AND TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE DOING
NOW...ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WENT TO THE U.K be real now these kids
are just trying to make it better for them coming from the islands, coach
Te'o in Camp didn't and i mean DID NOT TELL THESE KIDS TO GO TO THE
UTES OR THE Y OK. HE PUSHED THEM TO BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY AND FOR
THEMSELVES. I hope i make my points clear. And please know that us polynesians
have it more than just football ok.
Nice article about a good man. Thanks!
Bronco fired all of his poly coaches several years ago, that was a brilliant
move. Now he has seen that he was wrong and hired a couple this year.
Sorry, Chris B but you missed the point of the camp. It is to help the kids
realize that they can use football to get a quality education, live a high value
life, become a strong member of the community, the NFL may be a good goal but it
is not the main focus. There are many good schools from which students can
obtain a quality education. All three major schools Utah, BYU, and Utah State
provide this opportunity.
Good morning VegasUte,My understanding of the situation is similar
to that of JDL: Star committed to BYU of high school, but didn't qualify.
Then, because of similar situations where BYU previously got burned offering
quality players with questions academically out of JC, BYU chose not to offer
Star. That Star in fact did well academically at the U has BYU coaches again
reconsidering the risk/reward ratio, and they are taking some chances again out
of JC. I could be wrong on this--it wouldn't be the first
time. But I believe the "Star wanted to go to BYU" view is correct.
Vegas Ute, The way I understand it is Star committed to BYU and then went the JC
route due to academics. Coming out of Snow, BYU missed out with recruiting him
and he went to Utah
Cougar Passion: Just a point of clarification. Star was offered by byu coming
out of JC, but turned them down to play at Utah.I love what
Te'o is doing for the state of Utah. Keep up the good work!Go
Vic So'Oto seems to be doing pretty well in the NFL christina. You seem to
be struggling on the interwebz.
More drivel from those obsessed with BYU. No mention of the fact that Star
wanted to go to BYU. And given the strength of BYU's defenses under
Mendenhall (and given how a kid with no experience three years ago becomes a
top-5 pick under him), I'd say that an objective viewpoint recognizes that
a player with the physical tools will do at least as well at BYU as he would at
Oh good, another comment line filled with Chris B's ranting and BYU fans
falling for it.Alema does a lot of great things for the community.
Lots of good work going on at his camps beyond just the game of football.
I think Chris B and Ducky are the same person.While the poly players
are certainly a large part of the Utah football equation, they are a large part
of BYU's also and have been for a long time. The best poly name to come
out of the U, IMO, is Christian Fuamatuma'afala.Ed - take off
your blue colored glasses. Utah has been to the exact same number of bowl games
during the BCS period as the school to the south, 11. Now, if you want to
compare the quality of those bowl games, the payoffs and the records - be my
guest. Go Utes!!
Coach Te'o is awesome. I loved playing for him at Snow. He has a knack for
lightening things up and getting the most out of a player.Get Gas on
If Poly kids like 5-7 records and lots of down time during the bowl season,
they'll choose the utes.
Umm, Uona Kaveinga went to the Broncos this year and is Tongan. I think
recruits will be a little less blatantly biased than you. BYU has always had a
strong Poly connection.
Who was the last Poly Whittingham put in the NFL?Star.Who was the last poly Bronco put in the NFL????I
wonder if future recruits will notice the same thing I notice.Yep!
The poly community in my opinion will be the number one strength of the Ute
football program going forward and is VITAL to our success in the Pac12.We won't win most recruiting battles with USC or Oregon and no one
is claiming we will.We will however win most recruiting battles in
Utah(as we've already done the past several years if you look at recruits
who were offered by all 3 schools) and the Poly community needs to make up a big
chunk of our base each year.In Utah we're a little
disadvantaged as you don't find a lot of the "speed" that is
everywhere in Texas, Florida, California. So yes we need to continue to recruit
texas and California hard.I see the large Utah Poly community being
a huge advantage to the Utes both in terms of compared to other Pac 12 schools
and also compared to byu/usu.The premier Poly kids will want to play
for the premier program in the state.And that is the Pac 12
University of Utah UtesGo Utes