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Published: Tuesday, June 18 2013 5:09 p.m. MDT

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Jazzsmack
Holladay, UT

History has shown you do not need to waste a high first round pick on a point guard.

IN fact no true point guard selected in the lottery in over last decade (and probably much longer) has won a championship.

You can get a more than adequate point guard late in the first round.

High picks should be used only for centers, shooting guards and small forwards in that order,

Power forwards only need to be good role players that play defense and rebound, any offense is only needed to keep the other teams honest (see rambis, rodman, caffery among many others). Scoring power forwards should be a help and not the focus of the offense, but by and large they have never lead a team to a championship (barkley, malone, mcginnis, etc) without a center and a shooting guard or small forward to help.

Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

@Jazzsmack

you said over the last decade...and when it comes to power forwards you mentioned barkley and malone...i think you need to be consistent on your argument...and you cant say that History has shown you...unless...its the entire history of the NBA...you took out a sample where in the guys are still playing and may still have a shot...if you say over the last decade in the following years...your data is inconsistent and changing...i bet you can't say that for the entire history of the NBA...because well...Jason Kidd won a title...Magic....Isiah....a lot of PGs won a title...for the PF part...Pau gasol was drafted as a PF/C...and Plays as a PF...he won twice

Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

@Jazzsmack...

another thing...Dirk Nowitzki...won a championship...and of course...almost all team needs a C a SG and a SF and a PG...this is why its a team sport...you can just have one guy...even MJ has Horace Grant and Pippen on his first three rings...and have Rodman Harper Kukoc and Pippen on his second 3 rings...if the best player in the draft at the current draft position is something to live by....so if Magic and/or Isiah Thomas was on board you wouldnt draft them right...by your own reasoning...

logicalsportsanalyst
West Jordan, UT

I agree with both of you to an extent. Though your argument is flawed by using selective data, you are correct in that PG's chosen mid to late 1st round are sufficient (however, we jazz fans have dealt with "sufficient" in every role for some time now). As for Kakashi's argument, he is correct in saying that there are MANY who are winning championships that were selected early on...Tony Parker is another one to consider that was chosen early on. As much as the Lottery Picks are unpredictable, the history of the NBA tells us that is where the majority of stars are found.

UU32
Bountiful, UT

Tim Duncan is a fairly decent PF who has led his team to championships.

Americanvet
Ivins, UT

@jazzsmack
To say point guards taken in the lottery over the last 10 years haven't won any championships is not a very strong argument. Teams choosing players in the lottery are doing so usually for 1 reason, they're not very good teams. So to expect lottery picking teams to be winning championships is not realistic. Since 2000 there are only 6 teams that have won the championship including LA, San Antonio, Miami, Boston, Dallas, and Detroit. These teams were not lottery picking teams when they were winning championships.

The Jazz however were a bad lottery team when they chose Derron Williams in the lottery and they went from a lottery team to the Western Conference finals either that year or the year after I believe. So a great point guard can make a difference but I don't think there any players in this lottery that have D-Will type ability.

H2OSKI
Alpine, UT

The reality is that almost no team wins when their star/scoring player is a PG. There are very few exceptions. Of course there are some but they are unusual. Long story short we were not going to win a championship with D-Will as long as he was THE guy.

Bigs and shooting guards are primarily where the dominance takes place. LeBron is the exception although at 260 he is a a big dude but not quite as tall as a traditional big.

I would love to get Carter-Williams. Defense and distributor is what we need with Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burkes. They can all score the ball. Get someone who can do a good job stopping dribble penetration.

the truth
Holladay, UT

Pau gasol, duncan, nowitzke, all 7 footers. not 6'8"
and Duncan plasy center offensively and so does gasol. There is difference between a 7 foot post player and someone shorter like milsap or malone who couldn't play defense above the waist and for his size and strength was an underachiever in rebounding.

the only points guards mentioned was a 6'9" guard who really wasn't a true point guard, and isaiah and magic where drafted 30 years ago or more. kidd was an old minor part.

Isaish also has star shooting guard in dumas, as solid center and defensive player in lambier, and the type of PF I descibesd in buck william and then they had a pretty good supporting cast.

But the jazz have never had Isaiah or magic or jordon or kobe type player who could make things happen when you need it. instead they had benoit or russel to pass to, and we all know how that worker out.

Th jazz only went to finals when they has decent shooting guard, Horny, and even then he was never utilized in the offense.

Sloan chased away shandon anderson because he wanted to be utilized more.

Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

i hope they get someone good...i do think Cody Zeller would be good...i think we have Big Al and Paul Millsap due to bird rights to trade...think about it...3 athletic young bigs in Favors Zeller and Kanter...that's an anchor right there...and you get decent wings with Hayward and Alec...the problem now is outside shooting...i would want Alec to accept a 6th man role...so that we would still have Foye as a deep threat...and sign Calderon to man the point...probably take Larkin or Schroeder...but i still would want to have a lottery pick next year as it is stacked...and who knows we might win the Higgins sweepstakes...time and opportunities would dictate as to which direction this group would go...as well as the coach that would guide them...if its a mediocre coach...then to mediocrity it is...

Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

@The Truth

i dont think Jason Kidd had a minor role on that Dallas Championship...i think his play was crucial...he is also one of the guys who defended lebron in that series...also...why are you mentioning 6'8"? Power Forwards are usually at least 6'9...well Sir Charles is like 6'5 or even shorter...Kevin Garnett won his championship...but with Paul Pierce and Allen....and all of your arguments becomes moot...because...as you say...you cant win with just one great player...this is a team sport...this was displayed by the Billups led Pistons....if you cant get great stars...you can get good enough players that can play team ball...the difference now is...the coach...you need a winning system...that everyone needs to commit to....we can talk about this all day on what positions are needed...but at the end of the day...even if you have Lebron...but you lack the team effort to win...you will never win a championship...that's the difference between champions and regular teams...their commitment to the team...to the system...and for each other...

Kakashi
Tokyo, Japan

@the Truth

you can Add Walt Frazier...to your PG list...Oscar Robertson....Nate "Tiny" Archibald...come on....yes...these guys are of ages ago...but that doesn't mean history wont repeat itself....it takes a team effort to win as i have emphasize on my previous comment...but just because you drafted a PG high in the draft means you are doomed to fail...also for PF...Willis Reed and Moses

Dustin
Idaho Falls, ID

I would take MCW in a heartbeat if he is still available. Even trade up for him if we need to. He is a pass-firs guy who can play defense. I think that is exactly what we need.

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