Navy Vet: Feminists aren't in favor of "equal rights" at all; they
are in favor of "equal results," which just isn't reasonable when
you have disparate gender participation in the labor market. How many men take
time off to have a baby? How many men leave the workforce, delay education,
etc., to focus on raising their children? And you wonder why women get paid
less, as a group?? That's not gender discrimination, that's reality.
If the same percentage of men took as much time off as women do, the pay would
be equal -- or, according to some studies, slightly HIGHER for women! Glass
ceiling? Pay differential due to gender? Doesn't exist. Those are
statistics that are not being adjusted for the realities of differing societal
gender roles. Pay the same for the same work, absolutely! But like I said, if
a significant number of people with ... oh, pick one ... myopia, blonde hair,
dimples, first name starts with "F" - you name it ... were actually
participating in the labor force differently than the average, then that group
will have different results, including pay rates. That is what is happening
with women. That's reality, not discrimination.
Wow! the comments on this incident reaffirms something I have known for a long
time: I really don't like Utah Mormons.
CORRECTION: I meant to say......Feminists are NOT in favor of
"equal rights". They're only in favor of "equal rights...FOR
When I was in the Navy, men and women received equal pay. Pay was determined by
(1) rank, and (2) time in service. Additional bonuses were provided for
specific ratings upon reenlisting, but were not based on gender. Military pay
is set. There's no negotiating salaries.That said, despite the
"equal pay" they received, the women did NOT do equal work, had
disproportionately higher "sick call" reportings, were granted more
limited duty, and provided with easier PRT (phyical readiness test) standards.
On our advancement exams, women were also granted a different (re: lower) QT
score requirement than the men. Yet you never hear the feminists complaining
about THAT!Feminists are in favor of "equal rights".
They're only in favor of "equal rights...FOR WOMEN"!And
for what it's worth, at MY company, pay is set by (1) education, (2)
experience, (3) job description, and (4) performance incentive bonuses. And the
women here aren't getting paid less for equal work.And finally,
in pretty much every job I'd ever had after college, the HR dept. had been
dominated by women. So if there's ANY inequality in wage...they're in
A lot of the fun watching a beauty contest is listening to the contestants
answer the questions. they tend to say the corniest things and Miss Utah
Obviously not ditzy as many would like to paint her as. I thought she was
lovely and did a great job on this interview. She took it in stride and took
responsibility. So I was impressed. I did not see the pageant but I am sure she
would have done better if she could have done a bit better on the question. But
I have not been in front of millions and asked a really dumb question. I think I read that she does or did go to BYU? As for her clothes I
understand the reasons for the pageant (may not agree) but on the show she did
have a wider choice. I will leave it at that. Congrats to her
anyway. She really is a lovely young lady.
A related question that could well be asked--but never will be at a beauty
pageant--is why companies will pay different salaries to different people for
the same job, regardless of gender. The answer is: Because they can! The truth
is that they pay what they need to pay a specific person to do a job. If that
person was making more than another to begin with, or the company had to hire
that person from outside, that person will make more than another doing the same
job. It isn't fair in the least. But there are unfortunately very few
companies that are concerned foremost with treating their employees fairly,
regardless of gender. What does that say about society? Nothing that we
don't already know.
Who cares about that question? Couldn't take our eyes off that modest,
designed in her great aunt's back room,dress.
Someone should ask a question about the politicization of beauty contests.
I really don't know too many professions where women and men doing the same
exact job with the same exact conditions get different pay. Joe Capitalist is
correct, there are a variety of factors that might lead to women getting lower
pay ranging from the fact that the job responsibilities are similar but not the
same for a variety of reasons. The employees where I work are on the same pay
scale regardless of gender, race or ethnicity.
A good place to begin is to stop the objectification of women. Beauty pageants,
by their very nature, devalue women.
Shouldn't we be more atwist about the sexist, unholy, racy, raunchy,
exploitative debacle that is a beauty pageant? Or is it OK to tune in for the
swimwear competition again?
My two cents now,There were really three questions buried in Marissa
Powell's Gotcha question Sunday night. First, 40 Percent of women are the
primary breadwinners. If you readers and Marissa Powell have been following the
news the last week or two. That 40 percent statistic also includes
Single/Divorced Mothers solely supporting their families.It also includes those
women who earn more than than their unemployed or lesser paid hubbys. Second,
Because women often sacrifice their careers to become mother's or family
caregivers they are penalized financially from stepping off the career track.
Third, Society, for better or worse, rewards those men and women who sacrifice
family for career. IMHO, Ms Powell still only partially answered the question.
Realistically, with the exception of Hillery Clinton or Condi Rice at that age,
21. How many other women could have smoothly answered this ambush cocktail party
As I read over the half a dozen responses given up until this point, I thought
they were fairly well stated.What concerns me the most is not the
specific dollar amounts but that we as a society seem to be geared towards
complaining. Many seem to feel that life is unfair and that someone needs to
pay for that disparity. As Peter Falk declared in the movie 'The Princess
Bride', Who said life is fair? Where is that written anywhere. We can spend millions on research and still come up with inequality in
society. Our energies and resources might be better spent taking what we have
and building it into more rather than trying to continuously legislate and
litigate ourselves into a better life style. I think everyone should be treated
fairly, but so far that has happened for me in my life and it seems to do more
harm than good to continuously sit around complaining about it. We make due
with what we have and work hard to make our lives better.
@BrahmabullJust so you know, Dan Quail was given a cue card with
with potato spelled with an e on the end. He was set up. Potato can be spelled
either way.I don't suppose that you have ever misspelled a
word."Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
What does this question say about those who compose the questions for Beauty
Pageant contestants? It's a ditzy question.
I work for a fortune 50 company as an engineer. Almost 100% of female engineers
are hired right out of college. Far fewer male engineers land jobs in this
economy. Females comprise less than 10% of the engineers in my company, mostly
due to the relatively few women who major in any engineering discipline, yet
women occupy over 50% of the engineering management positions. Women
make good managers, they are good with people and detail oriented. Many of them
make excellent project managers (let's face it most women have to do that
as stay at home moms).Many men also possess these qualities. I have
seen many men passed over for promotion and less qualified women have been given
the management jobs.Feminists paint a bleak picture that just
ain't so.When you compare male and female workers based on
years of experience women actually have a slight edge. Based on age, not so
much. Women take time off to have babies and raise children.Figures
don't lie but liars sure do figure.
For an in depth analysis of today's issues I do not look at the Miss USA
pageant for my information. It is a beauty pageant. It is not an academic
debate. She did not sound smart at that moment. She did not seem
poised at the moment. So what? Karl Malone lost the ball in game six of the 1998
finals during the final seconds of the game, and with the Jazz holding a tenuous
one point lead. No one remembers that. Everyone remembers the next play when
Jordan pushes off of Russell to create space for what turned out to be the game
winning shot. If Malone does not get stripped, and the Jazz score
there is most likely a game seven.Stockton had a chance to win the
game after Jordan's shot, but he missed. Even the greatest players in the
history of the game sometimes fail when all is on the line. Give the woman a
break. Yes,she flubbed with the game on the line. It is just a beauty pageant.
She misunderstood the question. So what. At least she didn't misspell
potato(e) in a spelling bee.
She still didn't answer the question. The question is asking her to
expound on why women get paid less than men, not to judge whether it's OK
or not. Joe...of course there are a lot of factors that go into it.
That does not mean, however, that there are not some societal problems
contributing to the pay disparity. Many studies have found that women in the
same jobs within the same company often get paid less. Possible reasons might
include the "Mary Kay" effect where bosses perceive men as primary
breadwinners, and believe they need a higher wage to support their families.
Others point to women being less effective in negotiating salary, which begs the
question, what societal values are being taught to women to keep them from
fighting for what they're worth.
What a hot mamma!She would have won if she hadn't botched the
question. Perhaps it's better that she didn't win because now she has
free time to do other things and if she does things right, she can spin her 15
minutes of fame into some good bankroll.
"A recent report shows that in 40 percent of American families with
children, women are the primary earners, yet they continue to earn less than
men. What does this say about society?"Correct answer:
Absolutely nothing! It is so easy to lie with statistics, that this whole
question is meaningless. It says NOTHING about a woman with the exact same
education, experience, work ethic, schedule, and commitment as a man, getting
paid less for the same job simply because she is a woman and he is a man.Women as a group do get paid less than men as a group, but there are a
thousand factors that contribute to this (type of job, flexible work schedule,
time off to care for children, etc, etc..). Sure, there are people who will pay
based on gender for the same job (and sometimes it favors women), but I
don't think that it necessarily means the society as a whole needs to
Nicely done, Ms. Powell. And with grace.