In the Book of Mormon, there is the symbol of the "great and spacious
building" in Lehi's dream. The people in that edifice represent the
worldly who mock those who try to hold fast to the path that leads to the tree
of life. Some people endure the mocking and ridicule while others can't
withstand the social pressures and lose their way. Glenn Beck and Amy Adams
represent two people on the path and how they respond to the mocking world
around them. Glenn Beck stands defiant and endures the ridicule with faith and
determination. Amy Adams desperately wants the approval of those in that
building. She feels conflicted by her conscience because she struggles between
the reward of having God's approval and that of the worldly. Her
conscience still bothers her, which is a good sign. No latter-day saint who
lives his or her religion will go without the derision of the worldly society
around them. Ultimately, the outcome of our lives is determined by how we
respond to this pressure to give up on the quest for exaltation.
Brahmabull: I most certainly did grow up in Utah in the 50's
Father of Four, If you want the "LDS Viewpoint on things"
listen to General Conference. Glenn Beck is not a church representative and does
not speak for the body of the church on anything. Neither do I, neither does
anybody posting here.
Here is a tidbit of calamities in last days found in Joseph Smith the Prophets
book of Doctrine and Covenants written back in 1832 when Joseph Smith was 27
years old... "...the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their
bounds"I had never heard of this happening in history, so when I
read it 40 years ago, I just thought that it was some event in the future... not
per patriotGlenn Beck is as Libertarian as an Egg salad sandwich."As far as the female ex-Mormon actress... "Per Ms
Adams, *Adams said her religious upbringing "... instilled in me a value
system I still hold true. The basic 'Do unto others...', that was what
was hammered into me. And love.*
Let's see here...Amy Adams, the ex-Mormon, makes a positive impression on
the church, while Glenn Beck, the active Mormon, makes the church look like a
bunch of right wing crazies.What can we learn from this, boys and
girls?Conservativism is bad for you!We would be better
off as a church, and we would probably have an easier time sharing the gospel
and having people accept it with joy in their hearts, if we would denounce
conservativism in all its vicious forms.
Glenn gets a bit extreme sometimes I have to admit but I suspect Laman and
Lemuel would say the same thing about Nephi. One thing is for certain - Beck is
respected throughout the Christian and Jewish community. There are loads of
pastors and Rabbi's that Glenn often talks with on talk radio and I think
he is someone that is more of a national or even global personality whom is seen
as a libertarian / Christian who also has no problem talking openly with
atheists. Of course the far left HATES Beck with a passion which all started
when he exposed Obama cabinet CZAR Van Jones as being a Communist. Jones
promptly resigned. As far as the female ex-Mormon actress... ah I
don't know. I guess there might be some open mindedness from her stand
point toward the Church but I doubt her Hollywood values mesh too well with the
Miracle Of Forgiveness.
Love Amy Adams as an actress. Can't stand Beck, and I'm a pretty
right-wing guy otherwise.Does this mean I'm an apostate or something
I love any time a Mormon issue or person hits the news cycle. It gives me
opportunity to showcase the vast differences in individual LDS perspectives and
contrast their modern theology. In my evangelical church circles it
IS the topic d'jour. They never tire of pointing to the inconsistencies
and non-biblical teachings... But 100% will add how impressive the ethics and
family emphasis are.If a Muslim is present during this topic, they
will invariably point out the positive similarities between them and LDS. Most
of my Islamic friends do not like or understand Glenn, but they admire his
ingenuity and passion. In a world religion class I teach, one student replied
that Mormons don't have anything like the Taliban. To which a scholarly
Muslim replied, "their Danites just operated under the radar. Ours
don't hide!"Ahh, the joys of comparitive religions.
All hail free speech. What a crack-up this whole issue is. Thanks for making
me get my Depends.Mormons don't agree with each other on
everything. Who does? They don't agree with their own founder's
original doctrines, he'd be sitting with Mr. Jeffs if he were leading
today. To the 50's/60's Mormon point, we all loved Skousen, McKonkie,
Nibley, David O. McKay. THAT was Mormon culture and thinking: from southern
Calif to Utah, if you were in seminary or BYU.I only take the DN to
keep up with the ever-changing world of Mormonism. Thanks for another igniting
article, Joe. You know the hot-buttons.
The way some comments practically treat Beck like he's a Prophet go a long
way to explaining why Utah is #1 for Ponzi schemes.
Amy Adams is probably my favorite actress - but she seems to have both feet in
Babylon. A good sign is that she has pushed her little toe into Zion which may
be a direction.
re: Craig Clark 9:13 a.m. June 19"Many former members harbor ill
will toward the Church and brood over it for years. If only they, like Amy,
would remember the positive."It took me a few yrs to put aside
the animosity. That said, former members should just take a pollyanna approach
to the past? Really? Then, why even leave the church?
to BYUalum on June 19"Time will eventually tell if Glenn Beck is
right."Such as investing in Gold?Why does GB remind
of the boy cried wolf. or, is GB the wolf in sheeps clothing?
As I understand, Ms Adams no longer practices.re: FatherOfFour &
Naval Vet on 6/18 (page 1 of comments)Its scary if someone like
Glenny is the best representative for your average Mormon.
Anyone that does not believe we are in the end times is sadly mistaken, but are
free to believe anything they choose. I personally am a Glenn Beck fan and he
has taught me many things that the school systems never did and I am 60. Why has
our history for example been systematically erased... the liberal progressive
that is why! Every school is under attack because of Common Core and it seems a
lot of people in Utah are asleep.. they are nothing more than the dumbing down
of America's children! I feel very sad for Amy, as she is losing her way
because of Hollywood! I know how that is.. I to fell away in in my younger
years.. but luckily I returned and found my way back.. I hope for that for Amy!
Glenn Beck a fear monger...not hardly.. if anything he is a messenger warning us
of what is to come and it my friends is coming! All the signs are there! As far
as I am concerned he is one of the few giving us the real news.. I don't
believe anything from mainstream media!
The gloom for me is reading the comments following articles like this.
It's like, what group has sicced its members on the Deseret News website to
spread disinformation about the Church and slander its members?
@UtahBlueDevilLOL I swear.. I was commenting on what Glenn Beck was
talking about.. End of Days.. destruction coming.. etc.. just like Lehi was
warning that Jerusalem was going to be destroyed. And you want to compare the
difference on how they support their families? Really? Glenn Beck has become
more than just an entertainer. Seriously.. if you can't see that then you
have your eyes wide shut.But hey brother.. we can look at anything..
any ole way we want to. One thing that I do like about Glenn Beck.. he does NOT
check his religion at the door to the studio. He brings it out when necessary!
Celebrities. It's odd how so many seem to hang on their every word. But
they're just people. As members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints, it much more important that we listen to the words of our Prophet who is
called of God about our future than anyone elevated by men.And
regardless of the trials and tribulations ahead of us, we should have a joyful
spirit knowing that the Plan of Salvation is moving forward as it should.
"Glenn Beck does nothing different than Lehi did in Jerusalem.."Ummm.... Lehi did not do it as a way to pad his bank account. He
didn't charge a membership fee to hear him. He did not charge for his
services, or take a speaking fee at events.There is a whole lot
different between Beck and Lehi, or anyone else proclaimed the gospel. Beck is
an entertainer who does what he does to make money. The commercialization of
the gospel should be offensive to any good Christian.I am surprised
anyone went there....Have we really so confused capitalism with the gospel?
Nothing wrong with capitalism, but there should be a pretty clear line between
proclaiming the gospel, and turning the gospel into entertainment to be sold.
Time will eventually tell if Glenn Beck is right. Now many of the things he
predicted a year ago are true today. Take your pick of the subject matter.
People ridiculed him then and even when things have proven true today, some
still blast him. For myself, I think he is very sincere. He researches what
people in government say and broadcasts it back in a telecast of them repeating
their own words. He stands for something good, Freedom and Liberty, and puts his
money where his mouth is. Most people just idly by with their tongue wagging
away on blog posts and never get up and do something to help save this country.
Glenn Beck does, and I say, "Thank you Glenn Beck!"
Glenn Beck has it right; tough times are ahead. You'd have to be blind not
to see it. Evil is rampant and those who commit sin now actively and
aggressively claim that their sin is not "bad" but truly is
"good" while likewise claiming that honorable and virtuous traits and
acts are literally stupid. They have little, if any, guilt of committing
ANYTHING.Before any LDS member freaks out, you'd better go back
and watch Pres. Hinckey's 2004 (2005?) General Conference address in the
Priesthood session.He said the same thing....."get your
home" (family) in order.
In a way, Amy Adams and Glenn Beck illustrate the perfect dichotomy between a
lifelong, cultural Mormon and a devoted convert: it's likely that Amy Adams
never properly understood the Gospel, particularly the Atonement, and her
description of the Church in the way she does illustrates that quite well. Glenn
Beck, on the other hand, had to study and pray and learn dutifully in order to
acquire a testimony—and the results could not contrast more strongly.
Life-long members are definitely disadvantaged in the Church by the culture that
exists within it. It's sad, really, that Amy Adams chose to self-destruct
rather than experience the joys of repentance.
Nobody should be ashamed of what they have become. It is God who does the final
judgement anyway. And remember this one thing.. That when Joseph saw the
inhabitants of the Telestial Kingdom.. he said and I quote: But behold, and lo,
we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as
innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the
seashore;There will be many who are there. At least they can say
they are in a Kingdom of Glory of God. For remember.. Joseph also warned there
would be some who would be in a kingdom of God which has no Glory.Righteous judgment is God's Final Judgment. We can only warn our
neighbor.. we can't make them listen.
"Neither is an official spokesperson for the Church. Who cares what they say
with regard to the Church?"Amy Adams clearly was not attempting
to speak for the Church. She made it clear she is not Mormon and was only raised
in the Church until she was 11. I can't believe there are people here
saying she should be 'shamed at who she's become.' Talk about
judgemental. As far as I can see she's a bright and talented young woman
who's made great choices in her career.
Glenn Beck does nothing different than Lehi did in Jerusalem... Warn the people
of what is coming. Because.. it is coming! Some people will be motivated to
action based on fear. Hey.. even the Lord has allowed it to be use that way.
Just look in D&C 19 where the Lord talks about Eternal Damnation. 5 Wherefore, I revoke not the judgments which I shall pass, but woes shall go
forth, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, yea, to those who are found on my
left hand. 6 Nevertheless, it is not written that there shall be no
end to this torment, but it is written endless torment. 7 Again, it
is written eternal damnation; wherefore it is more express than other
scriptures, that it might work upon the hearts of the children of men,
altogether for my name’s glory.That it might work upon the
hearts of the children of men. Sometimes.. it is the fear of the Lord that
motivates some. It is the fear of eternal damnation.. that motivates mankind.
There is a place for warning such as these. You know it is not going to be
Drat, I've got a "NOT" in there that shouldn't be there....
@play by the rules"Glenn does more good for the LDS church in one day
meeting with members of divers faiths than most of them will do in a lifetime.
Before Glenn Beck came on the scene LDS could not get in front of most
evangelicals and we are now welcome with open arms."Didn't
the southern baptists just pass a resolution saying they will work with the LDS
church on social issues that also included a sentence or two about how LDS are
basically not acceptable Christians? For any good Glenn Beck has done, he's
done just as much harm as the second most well-known living LDS member (behind
Mitt Romney) to liberal non-mormons who strongly dislike him and his frequent
assertions that progressives (seemingly defined by him as pretty much anyone who
doesn't subscribe to his views considering how often that label is thrown
around) wants to destroy the nation.
jbhill,The doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints indicates that feelings of guilt arise within everyone, because of the
Light of Christ with which each of us is born. Religions may teach people to
heed those feelings as a guide to our actions. Some secularists may teach
people to ignore those feelings for a variety of reasons.I think
common sense dictates which approach makes the most sense, but there seems to be
much disagreement about what is common sense these days.
Why are we reading about this two celebrities in the Deseret News?Because they are both being quoted in National or International media about
their individual takes on Mormonism. I appreciate the Des News for
finding these stories and giving them to me. Even if it isn't hard news.
I find it nice that Amy Adams credits her sunny disposition to the Church. We
are told to be of good cheer and apparently that was ingrained in her.I'm not a particular fan of Glenn Beck but I don't believe it's
fair to call him gloomy. He seems to have a smile on his face most of the time
even though his message tends to be pessimistic.
Many LDS members share Glenn Beck's view on liberty, but not as much about
the doom and gloom. However, there is still wisdom in paying attention to what
is being said and do your homework. We are told that the 'end times'
are near, and if you believe what the Bible teaches, then we can agree on that
in general. But it's a relative thing and not necessarily imminent (the
same was taught almost 200 years ago). The point I would make is that we should
have a balanced approach to things. Prepare for calamities (there are already
plenty), hope for the best, and certainly live your life with a positive
outlook. But never become so naive, and live your life as if none of what we are
warned about could possibly happen.
Brother Beck doesn't get it. When you pay close attention to the Book of
Mormon, and especially if you pay close attention to "the pride cycle",
you notice something interesting. Most of the time, when the Nephites got
wealthy, they got into pride and collapsed. But there were a couple of times
when they got wealthy but DIDN'T immediately collapse; 4 Nephi, of course,
and also Alma 62 (see verses 48-49). And those were the times when the wealth
was NOT shared among everyone. All the other times, the fall came from inequity
of wealth; from "great inequality among the people, some lifting themselves
up with their pride, despising others, turning their backs upon the needy and
the naked and those who were hungry, and those who were athirst, and those who
were sick and afflicted." [Alma 4:12] Beck's followers, sadly, all
vote for politicians who are owned by the rich, and used to keep the rich rich
and the rest of us struggling. Beck's underlying message is, essentially,
the exact opposite of the message of the Book of Mormon.
I find it amusing how many commenters are so worried about 'judging'.
On many stories besides this one, so many are seriously distressed
about those they perceive as 'judging'. I notice this
offense at/concern about judging WAY more in Utah than other places I have
lived. What's with this huge concern? Do you who seem so
concerned about it and are always pointing it out not realize YOU are judging
If Deseret News wanted to present a 'sunny' and 'gloomy'
perspective on life with Church doctrine as a foundation, wouldn't it have
been possible to find an active, rather than a former, member to present the
'sunny' point of view? And isn't there someone with a pessimistic
view besides a gentleman whose very name causes countless eye rolls? Amy Adams
may be a fine actress, but since she hasn't been a member of the Church in
over 20 years, I'm really not interested in hearing her opinion on the
topic. And Glenn Beck, increasingly a conspiracy theorist, may be an active
member, but his politics are so bizarre that he can hardly be seen as
representative of any significant group within the Church. Surely there are
other prominent, active, more reasonable members who could be polled regarding
being optimistic or pessimistic.
Interesting that those who feel so strongly that someone's comments
don't matter seem to feel that their own comments do.
The beauty of the Church is that we are not all in the same place or having the
same experience so our understanding of what the Church means to us gives room
for everyone to grow and change and learn at their own pace. So what if people
don't see things exactly the same way you do? Having honest and open
dialog offers the opportunity to learn about our fellowman and relate to them on
commonalities and learn from them on differences.
As an active member of the church I am grateful for the teachings in the Bible
and Book of Mormon. Each of us has the right to our opinions and for Glenn and
Amy they can say what they wish. It is interesting to me that Amy continues her
positive look on life as we all should. Our houses should be in order as well. I
have listened to Glenn several times and he does speak the truth. Some people
need fear in order to prepare or change. How others perceive their messages is
an individual understanding. Regardless of what is to come we should all take
the view of Amy and be positive, kind, loving, and happy. There is a place for
doom and gloom but not on a daily basis. We are here on earth to learn and grow
and to be happy in all we do. I am grateful for Amy and her ability to be
successful may God bless all of us regardless of our religious view.
As J-TX points out, Amy Adams was an eleven year old child when her family left
the Church. But Amy herself recalls fond memories of her early Mormon
upbringing. Many former members harbor ill will toward the Church and brood over
it for years. If only they, like Amy, would remember the positive.
A Res NovaeI agree with your opinions regarding gold. If I would
ever rely on gold to any extent I would wait until the price was much lower,
and I look at it in terms of idols of gold and silver that cannot save me. I
prefer Glenn's emphasis on a supply of food and so on which he seems to
promote as a greater priority.I do not look to Mr Beck as infallible
and neither does he present himself as such. He does emphasize conspiracy, the
secret combinations which, so says the Book of Mormon, exist in every nation,
and that there will be one master conspiracy in the last days that seeks to
destroy the freedom of all nations.As for the details of that
conspiracy I believe in examining the thoughts and beliefs and evidence
presented and draw my own conclusions.
I would suggest to all of you out there to exercise your agency. Do or
don't listen to what people like those listed in the article say. In the
end, it is your own decisions and actions that matter. Why worry and fret about
someone you probably don't know has to say about any subject? For me, I
follow the the Gospel as presented by our Savior through the scriptures and
living Prophets. Do that and you can't go wrong no matter what is
happening in the world.
I understand where Glenn Beck can come across as gloom-and-doom. However, if
you listen to him more, I think you will find him to be more sober than vigilant
than one who merely looks for the worst in the world. I value the work he does
and the perspective he adds. I listen to him on occasion because he helps keep
me sober and on my toes. His worldview is informed by his Mormon
beliefs, but then again, why should we expect that to be otherwise? Overall, I
think he does a pretty good job.As a clarification, he does
advertise for gold, but is very explicit that you need to figure out if an
investment in gold works for you. Would you prefer he advertise for the dollar
instead?So does Glenn Beck represent me? No, but before you take
that as a slight, let me be clear that nobody on earth represents me. I
represent me. I alone am responsible for my own actions.
Good call putting Beck in entrainment with other actor.
I find Glenn Beck's teachings completely contrary to Jesus Christ's.
And prefer to spend my family's time in the latter.It's too bad
about Amy Adams' family feeling unwelcome in our Church after a divorce.
She is a talented and lovely woman.
“It provides a support system if you embrace it, despite all the
controlling and guilting aspects of religion that I grew to resent,” Adams
said. She grew to resent them by age 11, so 'she' left the
Church as a primary kid?I rather think that her parents pulled the family
from the Church and instilled these attitudes.... Good for her for
remembering that Jesus wants her for a Sunbeam! I enjoy her movies and her
The main point of this article seems to be the church gives former member Amy
Adams her "sunny disposition" but it makes current member Glenn Beck
unhappy. Is the lesson we should leave the church to enjoy its benefits? Glenn
has said at least as many positive things as Amy Adams about how the church
brings him joy - why doesn't the article mention that? As for what Glenn
says about watching the times and the seasons this is straight out of the New
Testament. Glenn never professes to speak for the church; he explicitly states
this is his own reading of events. Personally I'm proud to have him as a
member of the church (just as I'm proud that Nevada Senator Harry Reid is a
member). I honor Glenn's patriotism and his concern for the future of our
country, and many of his predictions about world events have turned out to be
@Gildas,"Glenn gives good advice about putting our own house in
order. Our prophets said that before Mr Beck."Our prophets
generally don't follow up immediately by telling us to buy gold at
ridiculously inflated prices. Therein lies the difference.
To just say that Glenn Beck is giving advice for an impending calamity would be
narrow minded.Glenn is multi-faceted in his programs with a balancing of
faith , hope and charity from the Book of Mormon all the way to warning people
of the calamities that are part of Joseph Smith's Section 1 of the Doctrine
and Covenants which specifically warns of calamities in the Last Day's.
Red CorvetteI repent, feel guilty, don't do as I'm told,
listen to Glenn and laugh a lot, no one has EVER forced me to pay tithes and do
it anyway. I rinse, repeat and listen to Glenn every day.
Members of the LDS Church are not identical nor should they be. Glenn Beck
sometimes makes mistakes in doctrine and says things that people, including LDS
people, do not like to hear or do not believe personally.As for a
member of a Church called the Church of Jesus Christ of LATTER-DAY Saints, it is
not at all strange that he believes we are living in the LATTER DAYS. True
people have been saying for years that we are in, or approaching, the "end
times" .What did these people experience that confirmed their
belief? The Civil War with the death of 600,000 souls and the misery and
maiming of as many or more. They experienced two world wars, that killed tens
of millions of mankind, world 'flu pandemic killing 30 millions more, the
Dust Bowl and Great Depression, the deaths of tens of millions in the USSR. I
could continue.Glenn gives good advice about putting our own house
in order. Our prophets said that before Mr Beck. It is good advice and, as
tens or hundreds of millions believe, it is late in the calendar of history.
I am surprised by the strong feelings here. I personally find Glen Beck
theatrics to be distasteful, and his often mocking of others very un tolerable.
So I choose not to listen to him. That does not mean that what he has to say
is unimportant, and what he says in the name of the church I care deeply about
as it indirectly impacts how people view me. In this day and age of grossly
over type casting people, this impacts us all. So I care how he portrays me and
my family. What I do like about this story is it shows the
diversity of people who claim at least a little portion of our shared faith. It
is great to see that even those small things taught to a young lady still
resonate with her. Why anyone would be offended by her comments, I know not
why. It gives hope that those primary lessons we slave over will have impact,
even on those who eventually drift. Good for Amy reaffirming the value of those
play by the rulesIn my home library, I have 6 books written by Bro.
Skousen and 3 by President Benson. I have no interest in spending my money on
something written by Glenn Beck. I don't hate Glenn Beck. I just find
that what he has to say as well as the way he says it has no value for me.
Having grown up LDS, I too still have a lot of the things that the church taught
me rooted in my behavior. I have since became a Christian and only follow the
teachings of the Bible. I still choose not to get tattoos, cremation, drink
coffee, and many other things the church warns against. many of these things
still feel wrong to me. I don't blame the church or religion for creating
guilt. Sin creates guilt in a person that is moral. This is the way of
salvation. Glenn Beck makes his living telling everyone else what to believe.
Amy Adams is a puppet on a stage. They both have a right to express their
religion (or lack of) anyway they would like, we all need to separate the wheat
from the chaff. If we don't do it properly, we are the chaff.
Hey Bomar, I am sooooooooooooooooooo sick and tired of hearing that we
shouldn't judge others!! We judge people every single day and whether you
want to believe this or not, you teach and EXPECT your children to judge others
as well!! I'm sure that you woudn't want you son to date or heaven
forbid marry a woman like Amy Adams who rejects the GAs and teachings of the
Church, right? Oh no, we should never judge others unless of course, the
judging is for the best of my family and children! Stop it!! Its ok to judge
and to judge wisely!
I like Amy and Glenn; they both seem to be fundamentally good people with views
of the world that I can respect, though don't always agree with.
It's amazing how many of you(too many to mention), are being very
judgmental. If you don't like them don't listen to Glenn or read his
books, nor go to Amy's movies. The last I knew judging others is something
the General Authorities disdain. How would you judging these two like others to
put you lives under a microscope?
If Glenn Beck attributes his gloomy outlook on the future to his LDS membership
and the Book of Mormon, that makes me sad—and I am not sure that this is
his true view of life. Church leaders and most Mormons are optimistic and happy
people. Gloom regarding the near or distant future, also reflected in the Book
of Revelation, should not make us gloomy in our personal outlook on life. If the
Gospel of Jesus Christ is making one unhappy, the fault is not in the Gospel but
in the self.
Userid333,"....I'm surprised that more LDS members
aren't unsettled by the mockery he [Glenn Beck] heaps upon those with
different perspective...."______________________________Thou shalt not speak ill of another Mormon perhaps? I suspect there are more
LDS who are embarrassed by Brother Beck than who want to say so when he bashes
those of the opposite view. The sad thing is that Beck is so intemperately proud
of his ignorance that he doesn't know what he's talking about most of
the time and doesn't care to learn.
Love all the "LDS HATERS" of Glenn Beck on this board. Glenn does more
good for the LDS church in one day meeting with members of divers faiths than
most of them will do in a lifetime. Before Glenn Beck came on the scene LDS
could not get in front of most evangelicals and we are now welcome with open
arms. Wo unto ye hypocrites. Read some Ezra Taft Benson and it will benefit
you greatly and perhaps open your eyes to things Glenn Beck is warning about.
Most of those who despice Glenn do not listen to him. This family loves Glenn.
"...take the beating heart out of a dead body..."? I'm pretty sure,
like a lot if what Beck says, that that is simply not possible. Hyperbole is not
the same thing as analysis.
From the article: "Glenn Beck, cites LDS teachings ... as the foundation of
his decidedly less 'sunny' belief that Biblical 'end times'
are coming and 'you better have your house in order.'"People who have long since died of old age were told not only that we were
living in the last days, but that Christ would return during their lifetimes. I
heard the same thing growing up, so you would think that the end would have been
here by now.As for this being cause for pessimism, I thought the end
of the world was not something believers feared, but something they looked
forward to, and that they could hardly wait for it to happen.
Let me join chorus saying that Glenn Beck does not speak for them. I'm
surprised that more LDS members aren't unsettled by the mockery he heaps
upon those with different perspectives, his angry and fear mongering tone and
his distortions of the points of view of the political left. He's a mormon
using anti-mormon style tactics on his opponents.
While we would all love to have seen Amy Adams be a Steve Young or something, it
didn't happen. I don't think she said anything necessarily wrong. I
would say how she responded to guilt is a bit off. Guilt is sometimes a good
thing, creates self restraint. Too much guilt can be problematic. But I look
at her as basically a good person. She might not live her life completely
within church values but it sounded like she has some good memories of her
association with the LDS church. I think it has effected her life in a positive
way. Again, I'm concerned about the judgmental attitudes existing here.
As for Glenn Beck, well he has his Mormonism on his sleeve. I
actually think Glenn's heart is in the right place but sometimes his mouth
goes elsewhere. I think he wants to make a positive imprint on our society.
This is what I will choose to believe. Yes, he is a disciple of Cleon Skousen.
But I think he had these leanings before his official conversion. He is
fighting for what he believes in which many disagree. I do often myself.
"when I go out with friends and we go overboard at bars or clubs, I wake up
the next morning feeling a bit conflicted about having had too much fun."Amy, it's called a hangover.
While I did click on the article and read it because I was interested in what
these 2 had to say, I really couldn't care less about what they said as it
pertains to my own life and way of doing things. They are just another couple of
people, like all of the rest of us, that have an opinion.
Melting pot? You must not have grown up in Utah in the 50's then.
"It provides a support system if you embrace it, despite all the controlling
and guilting aspects of religion that I grew to resent,” Adams said.Feeling guilt *is* a part of spirituality, and it's not a bad
thing. Running from guilt is a bad thing because it'll always hang around
and haunt you. The teachings of Christ inform us on how to confront our guilt
and repent to become better people.
JLFuller: I'm a Mormon from the 50's and I have never been paranoid
about those who were not Mormon. I grew up in what was called the melting pot
because there were so many different religions and nationalities.
Amy Adams: "You can’t misbehave without feeling badly about it
..."Shouldn't "feeling badly" be a result of bad
behavior, no matter your religious belief, or NO religious belief?
Who is Amy Adams? Why does her pronouncements have any bearing on anything?
She says words that are written for her, says them how someone tells her to say
them, and has someone hired to say she didn't mean to say things she said
when someone is offended. I gather that Mr. Beck writes his own
words, publishes them,broadcasts them and makes his living that way. Neither is an official spokesperson for the Church. Who cares what they say
with regard to the Church?
Glenn must not realize that atrocities like that have been going on for
thousands of years, we are just now able to witness them from the comfort of our
living rooms. I've always felt a little bit conflicted with the
end of times doomsayers, because while I have to believe it to a certain extent,
because that's what our doctrine says, I also see so much good, and in so
many ways it is a wonderful time to be alive. For me I mostly chose
to ignore that facet of our religion, far more important to me is what I chose
to do with my time here, that I return better than I came, that I use
Christ's teaching to better myself and those around me. In the end I think
that's all that really matters.
Oatmeal,"Thank heavens most Mormons are nothing like these
two"______________________________Minus the fame, many
Mormons are EXACTLY like these two. If only there were less of the Glen Beck
@DowntimeI dont think that judging these two figures, is the prudent
way to go about things. Why should they be ashamed for their life? Haven't
we all made dumb mistakes in our life? As a member of this church I am sadly
embarrassed at that comment. I don't believe that shows true Christ-Like
attributes towards fellow members or non-members of the church? Who are we to
@thereyougoagain: that is quite possibly the best posting I have ever seen.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face!
Too many Mormons place undue importance on seeing members of their faith as
celebrated pop culture icons. That’s quite human for a people with a long
history as social pariahs.I trust that most intelligent people know
that Mormons don’t all think alike any more than do members of any other
religion. They know too that religion can be a superficial indicator of a
person’s character. That’s determined by what’s in the heart.
I think that everyone chooses different aspects of life to focus on. For me
personally as an LDS person (or Mormon), I choose to focus on becoming a better
person and influencing those around me for the good. I'm not so concerned
with the "End of Times" because it's a little gloomy and scary. The
only real thing I can influence is me. I personally feel more freedom because of
my decision to not use certain things (tobacco, alcohol, coffee and tea). I feel
I have more freedom because I'm not constrained by an addiction to going
out and smoking or being in a bad mood until I get my first hit of coffee in the
morning. I also think my decision to be chaste (not having intimate relations
except with a spouse) is also very freeing in many emotional and physical ways.
I think that we can not pick any one or two people as standard for a
genre. Just like we would hate for Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears to be the
standard of Americans to the rest of the world.
Thank heavens most Mormons are nothing like these two.
If you come from an old line Mormon family and are a child of the 1950's
and 60', then you are probably aware of just how much things have changed
in the church in last couple decades. The difference is mainly generational. The
old line siege Mormons are gone now as are most of their children. But if you
knew any of them then you know just how paranoid Mormons were when it came to
"outsiders". THAT, and the notion that we were running headlong into the
whirling blades of the end times created a sense of doom that hung over the
Church like a pall. Listening to Glenn Beck is like opening a door into the
1950's. All we need now is Cleon Skousen, cat-eye glasses, black and white
TV and the hula hoop.
This is going to sound facetious, but I don't mean it to be. I'm
genuinely curious to know. Amy's comments about guilt made me
wonder -- does religious teaching *create* guilt? If she had grown up atheist or
in a church that said nothing about partying would that eliminate any feelings
of guilt or regret the next morning?
FatherOfFour:Glenn Beck is a fearmongering demagogue. I actually AM
an LDS member, and he most certainly does NOT have his finger on the pulse of my
Both these people see things from their personal point of view. I haven't
heard anyone in General Conference sound like either of them.
Kudos to Amy for being an actress and Glenn for making millions as an end times
merchandiser...I don't make a move unless I've run it by
both of these...people...
I don't like either of them. And neither of them represent me, or my
church. They only represent themselves; and they should both be ashamed of who
they have each become.
I'm LDS and i'd not put much faith in Glenn Beck and his take - we are
living in biblical times but i'm not listening to Glenn to tell me that -
And even through Amy Adams is not a member any longer its interesting to see the
influence it has had and continues to have on her life.
FatherOfFour, choose your words carefully....Glenn Beck certainly doesn't
have his finger on the pulse of THIS church member. For the record, neither
does Amy Adams.
I do share his beliefs but I also think that my beliefs bring me joy. I believe
we can be happy in the face of troubled times because of our faith.
I am not LDS but I do listen to Glenn Beck from time to time to hear what the
LDS viewpoint is on many things. From talking to many Mormons, I get a sense
that Beck has a real finger-on-the-pulse of the church and most members share
his same beliefs.
If you ask a hundred their feelings about growing up LDS and how it has
influenced their lives, I bet you get a hundred different answers. The same
would no doubt be true regarding those who grew up Catholic, Southern Baptist or