@2ferHow's that cold fusion research coming along?
Maybe instead of waiting for a leadership change the decision makers are waiting
to see if Bronco can actually beat Utah in a head to head game.
two fer"I would say that anything BYU has done research wise
pales in comparison to what Utah has done/is doing."Working on a
joint research project with Monsanto, BYU professor Daniel Simmons discovered an
enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 that allowed for development of an
anti-inflammation drug (Celebrex) that did not have the long-term side effects
of aspirin. BYU recently won a $450 million settlement from Pfizer for that
discovery, an award that could have easily been MUCH larger, considering
Celebrex is one of the most financially successful drugs of all time, bringing
in revenues of perhaps $35 billion, according to court papers.That's just one example of the significant research going on at BYU,
which may not be as extensive as research at the U, but is every bit as
Is this year's team also the band o' bros or was that a
once-in-a-lifetime team slogan?
I will be sad to see Dr Samuelson go, he's been a great asset to BYU.
President Samuelson has done an excellent job at BYU and I hope he continues
another 9 yrs.
@My Perspective"You do realize that UVU is a state school and an
extension of byu, right?"BYU is a private school. If UVU is a
state school then it would make it an extension of the main state school for
Utah. BYU already has some campuses that are extensions of it's main
campus, BYU-I and BYU-H.
Two For Flinching,Are you aware of anything BYU does research-wise?
Or are you just going to assume that whatever it is, it can't possibly be
any better than anything Utah has done.I think I already know the
answer. In fact, you gave the answer in your post.
Only a Dick Harmon article from the Desnews can get readers so stirred up as to
go completely off-topic and begin comparing the words "high" vs
"very high," and then going to the "we're better than
you," card.Dr Seuss said it best, Star belly sneetches ......
"....suggesting that BYU is accomplishing far more with fewer resources
devoted to research."Considering the research the U has
conducted on genetics, stem cells, cancer, and eye pathologies I would say that
anything BYU has done research wise pales in comparison to what Utah has done/is
My Perspective"There is clearly an enormous difference between a
high and a very high research institution."It's clear that
you're just making stuff up; that you didn't actually do any research
to determine the difference between high and very high levels of research
activity.Doctorate-granting Universities are institutions that
awarded at least 20 doctorates in 2003–04. The framework further
classifies these universities by their level of research activity, as measured
by research expenditures, number of research doctorates awarded, number of
research-focused faculty, and other factors.The main difference is
in the quantity of research done.Research Universities
(RU/VH)—very high research activity (108) - includes UtahResearch Universities (RU/H)—high research activity (99) -
includes BYU, Utah State, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Kansas
StateSince UVU isn't a Doctorate-granting university, it
wouldn't even be considered in the RU/VH or RU/H categories.
I love it.an article about Bronco's contract is hijacked by u
fans who then want to argue that their school is better academically.Wow, talk about inferiority complex.Then Marked It Down
obliterates the competition. Well done my friend. "but we went
to two BCS bowls... and, and, and, and... we own you, 3 of last 4."Nope, no inferiority complex there. Glad you moved on.
I personally don't think that there is any connection between
Samuelson's tenure as BYU president and the contract negotiations for
Bronco Mendenhall. My guess is that Bronco wants a buyout clause because he
believes that he can very well move on to a BCS conference. Bronco is far too
overrated as a coach and could be replaced. I would personally give
Bronco's job to Robert Anae, who I believe is a much better coach.
MyPerspectiveThe difference between High and Very High Research is
simply the volume of research, it says NOTHING about the quality of the
research.However, BYU ranked 30th with 76 National Merit and
Achievement Scholars, while Utah only ranked 112th with only 17 National Merit
and Achievement Scholars suggesting that BYU is accomplishing far more with
fewer resources devoted to research.
Thank you rodney k. smith for reminding us all in your own words that where a
person comes from does not matter as much as what he does with what he has been
given!!! Too much Blue vs. Red and us vs. them between the fans of the two
biggest schools in Utah!!! We and they should work together for the common good
instead of this continual fighting about who is better!!!Go
I, for one, am pleased President Samuelson has put on Cougar blue for a decade
of wonderful leadership. BYU is blessed to have this Ute leading them. He is a
joy to know and work with and will be missed when his day comes. I also think he
exemplifies an approach that all fans should follow: decency is more important
than who wins. In our household we say Go Aggies, Go Cougars, go Knights
(Southern Virginia) and go Utes, since we have ties to all of those great
universities. Thanks, as well, to Bronco for his commitment to being a
I think everyone is hoping that something will get worked out, STAT. We all
like the slogans, the defense getting into three-point stances and sprinting out
onto the field in unison, and the frumpy t-shirts. Without Bronco, you can kiss
all of that goodbye.C'mon, Holmoe! Push it through! STAT!
bronco is waiting to see what byu is going to do about this independent, wcc
mess that they've got themselves into.
Re BYU's graduate programs: I was on the faculty at Yale (1970s) when the
AAAS journal Science had a front page article on BYU's strategy for
funding. BYU would not accept government funds directly, but filtered them
through an external non-profit organization. This was intended to insulate BYU
from direct government oversight and interference. When my daughter matriculated
at BYU in the early 1990s, they explicitly described the program as focused
toward undergraduate education. I have no professional contact with BYU so I
don't know what the focus is, but BYU has emerged as a major player in
business, finance, computer science, etc. These fields typically do not seek
funding from government sources.Not having a medical/dental school
precludes much medical research and the vast funding available. Their basic
physical and biological science teaching is very well respected and they do
offer Ph.Ds in those fields. BYU grads have a better than average acceptance
rate into professional schools and grad schools around the country.Basic science is hard to fund (see high energy physics, for example). I
suspect that BYU will continue with their undergraduate focus.
Sign Bronco for 20 years - PLEASE.
Marked it DownThere is clearly an enormous difference between a high and a
very high research institution. What do you suppose the criteria is for such a
distinction? That must mean that UVU is classified as a research institution.
Sure, why not! Every school in the country conducts surveys. That's
research. Well done, byu...well done indeed!As for the faculty, I
guess I would have to ask what their role is and what type of research they do.
If they are as talented as you want to believe, why aren't they at a
"very" high research institution? It would be interesting to know in
what field they have achieved "scholar" status. It can make a big
difference regarding the institution they are at.
Mendenhall is probably on a surf board somewhere. Signing a contract is not at
the top of his priorities for Summer, nor is it the top priority for Cecil. I
believe a contract will be signed before the season begins, but there are others
who think the brethren will wait to see how the season goes. Let's face
it, the entire O coaching staff was let go. The head coach has to have some
accountability for the poor production of the offense also. If the offense
struggles again, we may not see a new contract for Bronco.I normally
wouldn't read or comment on an article like this, but we're in the
doldrums of Summer starved for anything we can read about college football.
"SLC BYU FanSalt Lake City, UTI really hope the BYU
community will appreciate the job Cecil O. Samuelson has done throughout his
tenure at BYU. It is a VERY difficult job being the "go between" those
senior brethren who desire to freeze or even contract or furulough a program and
then telling faculty deans and directors no to post-graduate program expansion.
This can and often is a hapless job in acadamia, especially at a school like BYU
with as much faculty scholarship skills and ability, as well as an undergraduate
studentbody any big AAU research school desires to have.As for
Athletics, if BYU were to drop its football program then the likely scenario is
Utah Valley University starts one. It would not help Utah State one
ioda."As a non-practicing LDS BYU fan, I think Samuelson has
done an excellent job at what is a difficult job for the reasons you listed. I
don't understand the resistance to expanding post-graduate programs at BYU
though - Maybe they could put a stop to the large number of graduates heading to
the devil's layer in Berkeley and Palo Alto. Just a thought.
Just another article from Mr. Harmon that makes no sense. Saying that the
school is waiting to get a new president before it extends a contract to Bronco
is saying that the football program at BYU is so important, more important that
building construction, school expansion, faculty employment, etc. that it has to
wait for a new president to sign off on the deal. No way! First of all, it is
the Board of Trustees that run the university and bring consistency to the
school through administrative turnover. They are the ones that dictate the
existence of the entire athletic program. To say that President
Samuelson is waiting to be replaced is to suggest that he is shortsighted, which
is hardly the case. It is just not the way BYU, nor any large institution goes
about it's business. Mr. Harmon should know this. This article seems to
me to be a dig at BYU from a frustrated beat writer who has a great
"love-hate" relationship with the school.
MyPerspectivetwo words: reading comprehensionBYU is
classified as a High Research University by the Carnegie Foundation.Utah
is classified as a Very High Research University.Interestingly,
however, in the most recent 2011 Report of Top American Research
Universities:National Merit and Achievement ScholarsBYU
ranked 30th with 76 scholarsUtah ranked 112th with only 17 scholarsThe Top 200 Institutions – Median SAT ScoresBYU ranked
109th at 1240Utah unranked, didn't even place in the Top 200
Samuelson has been a great President. A welcome change to the immediate
predecessor. HOwever, what's the point of this column?
PMS, yes Cecil went to utah. Nice of you to acknowledge that. You probably
don't realize that Utah's head football coach and others on his staff
are BYU men. Does that mean takes a Cougar to bring recognition to the U? BYU
supporters don't really care about President Samuelson's credentials
as much as you might, but he has done an excellent job so far and we're
happy about that. My point is, neither of us have a point.
SLC BYU Fan"This can and often is a hapless job in acadamia,
especially at a school like BYU with as much faculty scholarship skills and
ability, as well as an undergraduate studentbody any big AAU research school
desires to have."AAU schools already have that and byu is not a
research school. Keep dreaming...LOL! "...if BYU were to drop
its football program then the likely scenario is Utah Valley University starts
one. It would not help Utah State one ioda."So, if byu drops
it's football program (won't happen IMO) your contention is that UVU
would start a football program to fill the need. Is that correct? You base
this theory on what? That byu fans want a football program and UVU is located
in Utah Valley so UVU will start a program? You do realize that UVU is a state
school and an extension of byu, right? byu fans should be getting used to
hearing...'we don't care what you want.'
What are we going to say after BYU makes a free throw at basketball games if
Cecil retires?? :O :O :O
Why is it that people somehow have the idea that the "Brethren" want to
ax football? BYU has no desire to become an androgynous school with no sports or
mascot! And besides, you cannot pay for as great of advertising as playing on
ESPN. PMSmith......yes Cecil was born in Utah. You have made a very astute
I really hope the BYU community will appreciate the job Cecil O. Samuelson has
done throughout his tenure at BYU. It is a VERY difficult job being the "go
between" those senior brethren who desire to freeze or even contract or
furulough a program and then telling faculty deans and directors no to
post-graduate program expansion. This can and often is a hapless job in
acadamia, especially at a school like BYU with as much faculty scholarship
skills and ability, as well as an undergraduate studentbody any big AAU research
school desires to have.As for Athletics, if BYU were to drop its
football program then the likely scenario is Utah Valley University starts one.
It would not help Utah State one ioda.
I think that this does bring up a good point. I think that truly what is going
on is that they re waiting for a time when they can announce the contract with
more gusto and press.
This BYU fan says ,Let Bronco Go Into that Dark Night he Can be
Waiting for a new president to be announced makes some sense, but I'd
prefer to see Bronco's contract renewed as soon as possible.
Yes - It takes a UTAH Man to get all that done!!
Yes - He is a UTAH Man!!
When Gary Crowton was let go, he received a large buy out payment. I think it
was reported as $500,000. At the time I figured the Board of Trustee members
were likely not happy with that. At the same time, the Men's Athletic
Director also was sent packing. My guess is there was a connection with that
untypical BYU contract. So for what it is worth, I do not see BYU giving Bronco
such a deal.
I hope Bronco signs a new 3- to 5-year contract soon.