Swallow doesn't want anyone to rush to judgment, wants us to let the
investigations run their course and allow him due process. I'm
all for due process as part of any criminal prosecution but what Swallow seems
to be ignoring is that this is more than a case of whether he deserves to go to
jail.This is also about whether he should be the AG. He seems to be
saying if I'm not a criminal there's no reason I should leave office.
But that can't be the standard. If he's lost the
confidence of the citizens of Utah, whom he was elected to serve and/or lost the
moral authority to lead his office, he can't be effective in his position
and should resign. I don't see him addressing those questions,
nor do I see him providing any credible evidence he can continue to operate
effectively as the AG. The fact that he's meeting with his personal
lawyers to plan his defense and meeting with legislators to try to talk them out
of impeachment demonstrates he's spending his time on personal matters, not
serving the people of Utah.
Public servant is an oxymoron. I would never call a career politician a public
servant. At best they are a public nuisance. Photo ops here! Pretending to
care about issues there! Sound bites for the press! Politicians remind me of
the people in the Capital in "The Hunger Games"; their objective is to
put their best foot forward while sticking it to the people. George Washington
walked away from power after 8 years. Swallow, Obama, Matheson, Harry Reid,
Hatch, McCain, Lindsay Graham, Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstien, Nancy Pelosi,
John Boehner, et al need to go get a real job without the ability to lobby.
Once you have been in public office you should be excluded from lobbying of any
type. It should be an either or proposition.
The Governor needs the AG for a lot of decisions but has to use some lesser
individuals without the protection of an AG. We can't trust his decision
and judgment even though he says he goes to the office each day. He goes so he
can hear what people say about him in his own office. He is basically absent
from everyday decisions due to his mire. He dug his own hole and AG Shurtleff
accompanied Swallow on some of these outings and business dealings. They knew
what these men were when they picked him up. Swallow agreed to an investigation
but at that point he was already pegged for several investigations, so that was
a moot point. Hillary resigned as Secretary of State and helped her
allude some of the Benghazi hearings. Swallow's cases as the Chief Deputy
may have some questions on handling of those cases. There had to be a strong
disagreement with his employees at the AG office with as many that were
supporting Sean Reyes. Swallow was an insider and Shurtleff got mired into the
mess due to his associations and relationship. He thought he could get away
with Swallow's money raising.
Foo, they are two different situations. If the accusations against President
Obama were the same as those against AG Swallow, and the various proofs, as
outlined by commentators such as Cincinatus above, were the same you might have
a point. As it is they are two very different situations and any attempt to
conflate them is purely disingenuous. Get back to us when you have
Sounds a lot like the obama administration... there is enough there for him to
resign too.I wonder if those of you who want swallow to resign also
want obama to resign.Or does it matter that one has a D by his name
and the other an R.Can't have it both ways.If you
are democrat and want swallow to resign, you should also want obama to
resign.If you are a republican and want obama to resign, you should
also want swollow to resign.If you are a socalist then of course
obama is right and will always be right. swollow on the other hand, more lies,
if that is what it takes.
Owl, here are some facts:1. Swallow was associating with convicted
felons/those under investigation for criminal charges. He does not deny
that.2. Swallow was recorded asking, "do they know about the
houseboat" and "is their a paper trail back to me on this." He
acknowledges using the houseboat but did not disclose it until he was caught.
So he was using, for free, the personal property of Johnson, a man under
investigation on fraud charges.3. Swallow took three trips to
Newport Beach (two with AG Shurtleff). Again, he acknowledges he was there-
hanging out with a convicted felon. On top of that, we have receipts, initialed
by Swallow, charging goods and services to Jensen's account.4.
Swallow owned an interest in P-Solutions, a company in Nevada that was involved
in strange transfer of payments with Johnson, but took his name off the company,
transferring the ownership to his wife. He did not disclose this in campaign
filings but acknowledged it after he was caught and simply said he would
"amend" the filings.Need I go on? Those facts alone show
that Swallow, at best, is ethically challenged.
@DNews Subscriber2If Swallow wanted an investigation why is he so worried
about being impeached? The goal of impeachment is to clear up mistrust of a
public official, by either clearing their name, or removing them from office. So
why is he so against impeachment? Additionally, why did we elect this bozo, and
why did the traditional newspapers not pick up the story before the election.
The only publication to say anything about this was the City Weekly. I'm
disgusted that the only media outlet to cover the story pre election is one that
is 50% escort ads, 40% satire and pop culture and only 10% news, yet it still
beat out the so called "news"papers in terms of reporting skills.
If impeachment is free, sure go ahead. But something tells me the process is
very very expensive, in which case... Meh. I don't care. Let him stay in
"Essentially we got a current events quiz for the low information
voters,"Subscriber, it looks like you are the low information
Don't blame me. As an area delegate, I voted for Sean Reyes in the
Republican primary election last year. He seemed much more forthcoming and now
everyone knows why. After Swallow gets impeached, Reyes should still be
considered the best person for the job. All indications are that he is above
reproach. Swallow had undoubtedly proven himself not to be.What
Swallow still fails to realize is that even if he gets off on a technicality
after this investigation concludes, because of what has already been evidenced
in his admitted dealings with convicts, there will forever be a cloud of
suspicion hanging over his head by the majority of people in Utah. As such,
Swallow will never be able to effectively serve as AG, no matter what the result
of the investigation. He could salvage a bit of face by resigning
before being impeached. But it seems his ego will now allow him do that. But
either way, his public political career is already over. Right or wrong, public
perceptions of elected officials and those aspiring to be elected do matter...
and matter a lot. And this poll shows Swallow's public perception is in the
DN Subscriber 2- Let's look at this:a. Swallow called for the
investigation. There is some question on the timing- the US attorney
acknowledged about a week after his "call" that there was an ONGOING
investigation. Had the investigation already been started? If it had, this was
just a PR move by Swallow to make himself look good.b. Accusers are
convicted felons. Yes, but now two new people have stepped forward who
aren't felons and corroborated the story. Besides, why was Swallow hanging
out with these people- he doesn't deny that he was. c. The
conduct didn't occur since he was elected. So? He suddenly cleaned up his
act, so everything he may have done prior to being the AG shouldn't count?
Some of this may have happened while he was the chief deputy to the AG. Either
way, why would we want a person with questionable character as the AG?d. "Innocent until proven guilty." In a court of law, yes. You
cannot have constitutional rights taken away unless you are proven guilty.
Impeachment is different and can stem from the loss of public trust in the
officeholder due to unethical or questionable behavior.
Swallow really wanted a piece of the pie from Jensen, which puts him in an
advantageous position considering the extortion angle which the former AG and
lameduck AG currently chaining himself to the office obviously did. The
company you keep, and all the other metaphors for dishonesty are applicably to
this ethically devoid AG.Do they know about the boat? Is there a
paper trail? Do they know about the resort weekend?Do we really want our
AG to every say these things like this, when he thinks no one is listening?Funny how the same folks saying wait and see are the same ones calling
for Obamas Head.
Cries of "lynch mob" and "innocent until proven guilty" are
misplaced. Mr. Swallow was recorded attempting to extort money from
someone under government investigation, promising government favors for money.
We do not have to stand for this kind of representation. There are several
parties alleging the same story with similar facts. This behavior is
unacceptable. Mr. Swallow, please do the right thing and resign.
Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal actions. No one is saying Swallow
should go to go to jail without a trial. We are saying we don't want to be
represented by a man who does the things Swallow unquestionably did, as shown by
recording of his own voice. Let the criminal side play out how it
will, the people don't want politicians who play lawyer ball with the rules
for their own personal advantage. No one is saying the recording were taken
during his time as AG. All you Swallow stooges advocating for him
can't overcome the peoples' desire for honest AND ETHICAL leaders.
Swallow has abused the public trust and he needs to go - either by impeachment
or by resignation. The people have spoken.
Yup, smells like a lynch mob to me, too.Way to go,
Swallow buries his head in the sand when it comes to the evidence. Does he deny
he is on the recorded conversation? The conversations alone are unethical at
best and criminal at worst. The conversation alone are enough to raise the issue
of fit for office. The fact that there are several parties alleging the same
thing only increases the probability that Swallow is a bad actor. Unethical - for sure.Criminal - probably but to be determined.He needs to go. And the longer republicans delay the more it hurts them.
Clearly the public doesn't trust swallow. The party should show they
don't condone this kind of behavior and cut him loose.
After weeks of innuendo and wild allegations, some folks do a poll.Essentially we have nothing more than documentation of a self-fulfilling
prophecy. The news media trumpets UNPROVEN and still under investigation
allegations from dubious sources. The inevitable chorus of "resign or be
impeached" begins. The poll asks "Hey, been following the news?" and
people say "Yes, Swallow must indeed be the devil incarnate"Did the poll ask if respondents were aware that:a. Swallow himself was
the first one to ask for an investigation?b. One of more of the accusers
are convicted felons?c. None of the allegations concern conduct since he
was elected to the Attorney General job?d. There is a concept called
"innocent until proven guilty?"Essentially we got a current
events quiz for the low information voters, and proof that you if a lie is
repeated often enough, a lot of people will believe it.If proven to
be guilty then he deserves punishment, but this media circus lynch mob prior to
any investigation results being released is despicable.
Accused, tried and convicted by the media using testimony from a convicted
felon. We no longer need the judicial system. Bring on Nancy Grace
and the public opinion polls.
Could we please have the facts? Allegations by felons and others who are not
under oath are not the substance that citizens of Utah need to make our
judgment. Party affiliations are of little interest to me. Having someone of low
character in office is just as bad as railroading someone out of office because
there might be blood in the water.
Swallow had a by far better candidate running against him that wasn't tied
to the corruption of the current administration but the people of Utah decided
to elect Swallow solely based on the "R" next to his name.Too bad
our fellow citizens don't listen to the LDS Church leaders that constantly
remind their members to investigate the candidates and select the best that are
offered.Anyone that votes a straight ticket is completely out of touch
with reality. It is impossible for one political party to field all the
"best" candidates.AND, we DO need term limits in all offices.
Absolute power breeds absolute corruption.Am I right in this statement Mr
What is Lockhart's reason for delay? Have some courage already and do the
right thing. Wow, what does it take in this state for politicians to see past
the party line?
So, Allen, you want someone to take twelve years out of the time they could be
working to advance their career in the private sector and spend it in public
service instead. Okay, so say people would choose to do that, would your twelve
years include both state and federal positions? In other words, if someone
served eight years in state government then got elected to a federal position
would they only be able to serve four years there? What about if the president
had already served eight years in another position, would he or she then be
eligible for only one presidential term? And clearly the constitution does not
support your scheme, so it would have to be amended. But obviously the founders
did not concern themselves with the idea of term limits. And when you get right
down to it, why should I not be able to vote for whomever I want? Who are you to
try to tell me I can't vote for someone? And also, what in the
world does this have to do with Swallow? It's his first (and last I'm
If he were a dem in a deep blue state, the legislature would be considering
giving him an honorary citation rather than considering impeachment.We see how dems protect their own through denial and obfuscation, even when
they lie to the courts or sell guns to mexican drug gangs.
Would be nice to have term limits of 12 years for ALL politicians except the
President of the United States who is already limited to 8 years. After a maximum of 12 years, (8 years for the President) return to their
former job with NO lobbying and NO pension except Social Security when the
politicians has paid into Social Security the same minimum time that everyone
else must contribute to qualify for Social Security.
The tea party has no ethics.
John believes we're dumber than he is. He has the King's new clothes
mentality and so does his predecessor. It is a shame that he has taken us down
this road for almost 6 months when both he and Mark Shurtleff deceived the
people in the campaign when Integrity was jeopardized along with ethics that the
top elected officials knew about. Shurtleff didn't push the Governor on
his $13M and $85K endeavors as they are both guarding the hen house.
yes please! we need to go back to the time when public service was considered an
honor! you served, and then went back to your daily job. Career politicians is
what has ruined our government. giving someone that kind of pension for a
minimum of 4 years service is ludicrous. In house cleaning needs to be done
through out all of D.C. otherwise this country as we know it will fall. sad
Seems like the Eagle Forum's support of Swallow further demonstrates how
out of touch the Forum with the Utah public and threatens to become an
organization that nobody needs to listen to.
Heard a radio ad this morning asking us to call our representatives to tell them
impeachment would be a waste of time and taxpayer money. Bad strategic advice as
it will actually speed up the process.
Yes John, please resign already. Mr. Obama, Holder, Brennan, Biden, et al
please do the same. Time to clean house. No more career politicians. 12 years
maximum in public service with no pensions and no lobbying when you are done.