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Parents rally after Canadian elementary school bans Mother's Day and Father's Day celebrations

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  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    June 20, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    @mark - so now you're pretending to know the traditional protocol for this school's celebration of Mothers and Fathers Days? Apparently many of the parents were fooled into thinking their school's tradition had been changed, but clearly you know better. You forgot one group to consider besides household, family, and church. It's community, and people like you think it's your job to tell communities how they must celebrate something like Mothers and Fathers Day, regardless of the traditions and wishes of the majority.

    About losing ground, I did not say ground was necessarily lost on this specific issue. My argument is that people like you always expect people of tradition to give in whenever there is a disagreement, using shame and supposed enlightenment as your weapons of choice. If that doesn't work, then it's on to the courts.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    "Obviously you're fine with diluting the meaning and significance of Easter, and of Mother's and Father's Day, but many are not."

    I don't care I the meaning has been "diluted" one way or the other. It is up to you what you feel the meaning is. For your household. For your family. For your church. If the meaning of Easter had not been diluted, though, I would not think it should be celebrated in public schools. Do you know anything about the history of Mother's and Father's Day?

    "Why can't all children be grateful for all good fathers on Father's Day, and all good mothers on Mother's Day? "

    Well, I imagine they could be, but it doesn't change my argument one bit. Do you really think children think things through like that?

    Ah thanks for the recap on the thread. (Don't know what that was about, but anyway.)

    You didn't answer what ground you feel has been given up by yourself or "traditionalists".

    Oh, also, traditionally, these holidays were never in school like they are now. Heck, traditionally, people didnt celebrate these holidays like they do now.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    @mark - as a recap since you apparently couldn't follow the comment string, I was responding to Kalindra, who felt that because she wanted it one way, the school should change a cherished tradition that encourages the children to honor each parent individually. She, and you, as is typical of liberals, think you should be in charge of determining what offense is legitimate, and shame everyone else into giving up the ground.

    You're right - all children regardless of color can be proud of the accomplishments of great black leaders like MLK, and of the founding of our country. Why can't all children be grateful for all good fathers on Father's Day, and all good mothers on Mother's Day?

    Obviously you're fine with diluting the meaning and significance of Easter, and of Mother's and Father's Day, but many are not. You want traditionalists to give up the ground, as always.

  • benonie10 Dartmouth, 00
    June 19, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    It's a rite of passage, of course parents are upset...kids are only young for such a short time. If you were there to push out a kid or be there to help support the birth, then you'd want a card too!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 9:23 p.m.

    "Conservatives must always be the only people to give up ground."

    Letsdebate, what, exactly, do you feel like conservatives have given up here? First of all, the school backed away from what they were doing. The ones that wanted Mother's and Father's Day to continue in the school got their way. What ground was given up here for you? How were conservatives the only people to give up ground?

    But even if the school had stayed with a more inclusive celebration honoring the family how would conservatives, or anybody have lost anything? After all they could still celebrate to their hearts content. At home, or at a nice restaraunt, or at a park, or church, or anywhere they want. They could still buy all the knick knacks they want, all the cards or flowers or candy the merchants are pushing that they want. What's stopping them?

    And you know, this isn't even a political issue. Why are you trying to make it one?

    Really, it is just about recognizing that some children might be hurt by these holidays. Is it really that unreasonable to try to avoid that? Really?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    You do not need to be black to honor MLK. Easter has been transformed from a Christian celebration, to more of a celebration of spring, everybody can join in on easter egg hunts and bunny’s. Honoring those no longer with us can be done by all, besides memorial day is hardly noticed by schools. Everybody can celebrate the founding of a country, fireworks do not exclude anybody.

    These holidays are hardly comparable to the exclusion that exists for some in mothers and fathers day. It is hardly unreasonable to have a more inclusive family’s day.

    It is amazing that some people do not care to protect a little child’s feelings. They will sacrifice those feelings on the alter of political points about political correctness, or some nonexistent right to celebrate all holidays in school. Very sad.

    Mother’s day or father’s day can be very painful to some children that do not have a parent at home (because of abandonment or death or for whatever reason) yet have to celebrate it at school.

    But hey, as long as the political feelings of some callous adults are protected.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    June 18, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    Thanks for the sanctimonious and humorous distinction between Conservatives and Liberals, Kalindra. I think what you meant is that Liberals pretend to be offended at the manufactured offenses of a very few malcontents with large chips on their shoulders, then attempt to coerce everyone to smile and live by the wishes of a very small but vocal minority. You and other Liberals are all in charge of what constitutes a legitimate offense, and Conservatives must always be the only people to give up ground.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    June 18, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    @Kalindra - here's a single, rational argument - because it's a harmless (actually, beneficial and respectful) tradition they want to keep. Why do they owe you more of a rationale than that? What single, rational argument do you have to present that it should be changed? Let me guess - because it makes sense to you, and that's the way you want it.

    Well, Kalindra and a very few gays want it changed - stop the world! I highly doubt more than a small minority among the gays that are offended by the Mothers and Fathers Day celebrations, but we need to change cherished traditions to satisfy a small minority of a small minority.

    Some people just need to be firmly told sometimes to grow up and find find a real cause.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    June 18, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    "If they don't have a father in the house, why can't they celebrate the fact that a man gave up some DNA to create them?"

    Are you actually serious? So if some guy gets a girl pregnant and skips out on his responsibilities, the school should take time out of the curriculum to tell the kid to celebrate the fact that he "gave up some DNA"?

    I grew up with several kids from single-parent homes. I know it was hard for them to color a card for a father that wasn't in the picture (in school, you don't have the option to simply not do an assignment) and hear other kids talk about their dads. This school didn't tell anybody not to celebrate Mother's and Father's Day, they just decided they wouldn't take out class time to do it. I don't see how having a "Family Day" where they can talk about mothers, fathers, and grandparents and the sacrifices they make to raise the child is a bad thing.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    @ Tom in CA: The PC movement started when Conservatives wanted to make sure their children were not exposed to anti-war propaganda during Vietnam or curse words they find offensive.

    The interesting thing about the Conservative PC movement versus the Liberal PC movement - Conservatives get offended at things that challenge their world perception and hurt their feeling - things they find personally offensive, Liberals get offended at things that exclude or injure others.

    Every argument on here against "International Family Day" and in favor of Mother's Day and Father's Day is based on this is the way things have always been, or a non-existent right to have mothers and fathers honored on separate days and have that honoring supported by the school.

    There is not a single rational argument presented for why those two days cannot be joined and all families celebrated together.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 18, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Why can't single mothers and lesbian couples with children celebrate Father's day?

    If they have children wasn't a father of some sort involved? Why can't they celebrate diversity? If a child has 2 mothers, then that means they can make 2 cards for their 2 mommies. If they don't have a father in the house, why can't they celebrate the fact that a man gave up some DNA to create them?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 18, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    And political correctness just keeps boxing We The People into an ever tightening corner. When will We The People stand up and say, "enough is enough"??

    Yes, THEY are cramming their "religion" down all of our throats.

  • fish8 Vernal, UT
    June 18, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    So according to mark we shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King day because not everyone is Black. We shouldn't celebrate Valentines day because some kids might not have a valentine. We shouldn't celebrate Easter because some kids don't beleive in Christ. We shouldn't celebrate Memorial day because it might bring up sad memories for kids. We shouldn't celebrate 4th of July because not everyone at school is America. And on and on and on.
    If we do nothing because by doing something we might upset someone we will never accomplish any bad, but we will also never accomplish anything good.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 1:14 a.m.

    I can see where some kids that don't have a mother or father at home, for whatever reason, might be hurt while watching other kids making cards for their mother or fathers. I can see it being reasonable to celebrate a more general family.

    But, no, instead of worrying about the feelings of little kids, lets make sure that some parent gets their validation of their child's love through receiving a card made at school, and that some other people don't have any purely imagined rights to celebrate mothers or Father's Day at a school taken away. Oh and that someone else isn't forced, forced! I tell you! to live a lifestyle they don't want to.

    What a joke.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    In the real world my boss doesn't participate in my celebration of Mother's Day or Father's Day.

    Neither of those days have any basis in religious teachings beyond "honor thy father and thy mother" - which should be done every day, not just once a year.

    And I have never seen anything that says you have a right to have the school tell your children to give you a gift nor have I ever seen anything that says children have a right to make cards for their parents during school hours.

    Face it - the majority of posters are behaving the way they are accusing the same-sex parents of acting - their feel bads are hurt and they are offended that someone would dare challenge the status quo.

    No rights are being impacted - you are just offended.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    Meadow Lark Mark,

    Why? Because inherent to moral relativism is the desire to force your beliefs on others. People who think morality cannot be fixed believe that all acts should be tolerated, except the ones they don't like.

    It's hypocrisy at its core.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    June 17, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    Hmmmm. Last time I checked, every single person comes from a mother and a father.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    June 17, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    I think this is another way that I have to change my core beliefs to bend to the rights of a minority. Why do I always have to be the one to change. Honestly the sperm has to come from a man, and this is true whether there is a marriage or not. Two men cannot procreate without an egg, and two women cannot procreate without a sperm. Why is this? Why is this true for our species? There should be a mother and a father. This is right. From the start of time there has been a mother and a father. Why are we trying to destroy them now? I get tired of the voices of the minority usually trying to overrule the voices of the majority. It's not right that I should have to totally bend my views until I have no idea what I believe. I have no problem with other views living what they believe, just stop trying to make me live your views!!!!!

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    June 17, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    so what is going to happen to this child when they enter the real world and people actually celebrate mother's and father's day?

  • Serious Rexburg, ID
    June 17, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    Another reason why I oppose gay marriage!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 17, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    @Kalindra
    "What "right" is being overridden? How does having a "Family Day" celebration instead of separate Mother's and Father's Days not honor the family?"

    The right of a child to celebrate his/her father or mother should not be infringed upon because it causes feelings for a child of a same sex marriage. The same sex couple has to recognize that their choice is going to cause these feelings because their child is not in what would be deemed a normal family environment when compared to the family environments of other children. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying gays or lesbians shouldn't be allowed to marry...I believe the constitution protects their freedom to choose who they will be with. What many people misunderstand is that regardless of freedom of choice (rights) there are consequences to the choices we make. I also never said a "Family Day" doesn't honor the family, but many children enjoy the different gifts and celebrations of a Mother and a Father. Their right to celebrate both with the inherent difference between Father and Mother shouldn't be infringed because a same sex couple had hurt feelings or complained.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 17, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    @Kalindra

    Well duh...the right to have a mother's day and a father's day celebration.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 17, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    I am baffled as to why the child of the same-sex parents felt unable to celebrate either Mother's Day or Father's Day - the child may not be able to celebrate both holidays, but they would be able to celebrate one of them two-fold.

    I am also baffled by the idea that the single mother cannot (willnot?) discuss Mother's Day with her child but instead makes the school responsible for her feeling appreciated by her child.

    The nice thing about a "Family Day" is that it would recognize all the many different families that exist in our modern world - single parent, step-parent, same-sex parents, a mom and a dad. With the way the world is changing, it might not be such a bad idea - unless you are a greeting card company.

    @ Cougsndawgs: What "right" is being overridden? How does having a "Family Day" celebration instead of separate Mother's and Father's Days not honor the family?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 17, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Another case of a minority group's feelings overriding the majority's rights. Good for the parents of this community for standing up and letting their voice be heard instead of being pushed to abolish something that celebrates the family. I have no problem with same sex marriages, and gays and lesbians wanting that right...but if you want that right than there are consequences and you have to accept that. One consequence is that you may feel left out of parties or social events involving the majority (Jehovah Witnesses accept this as a consequence for not celebrating christmas, but they dont tell everyone else at school that they cant celebrate it). Most children aren't members of a gay family, so it's not the norm for most of them. Does that mean they have no right to celebrate their fathers and mothers because one gay couple complains? I fear for a society that allows the hurt feelings (not rights) of the minority to overrule the rights of the majority (there's a big difference between my rights, and what offends or hurts my feelings...a difference that seems clouded in this age of moral relativism).

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 17, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    We celebrate way too many of these 'greeting card' holidays. Stick to schoolwork.

  • Bernard GUi Puyallup, WA
    June 17, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Because the school is an extension of the family.

  • dansimp Layton, UT
    June 17, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    I'm curious why they would be doing that at school anyway? Sounds like one less irrelevant (to school) celebration a teacher has to worry about.