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Published: Sunday, June 16 2013 6:06 p.m. MDT

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Soooo Boston College is to Notre Dame, what Utah is to BYU? Yet Utah has beat BYU 4 out of the last 5 games, and Notre Dame has beaten Boston College 4 out of the last 5 games. You may want to try another angle; that one is severly flawed! Or simply flip flop BYU and Utah; in your logic/debate; now that would make more sense!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@CougsnDawgs

Honest mistake; I spoke too soon. This subject has grown old and tiresome. My take? BYU's independence is great for scheduling, not so great for post season. Both Utah and BYU have very tough schedules this year. I'm hopeful Utah improves on last year, I will be pulling for them, but wouldn't guarantee anything. Peace, have a good one!

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

spokane ute

Simple logic says that team with better record and higher ranking is the better overall team.

Hence,

#1/#1 Alabama(13-1) better than #5/#5 Texas A&M(11-2)

#2/#2 Oregon(12-1) better than #7/#6 Stanford(12-2)

Utah(8-5) better than Colorado(3-10)

Utah(8-5) better than UNLV(2-10)

and

#25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) better than unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)

and

unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner better than unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

That's just the way it is in the real world.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Similar to the way ute fans totally write off the possibility of a big boy bowl for BYU. Granted, I'm not betting the farm on it, but if I was betting the farm on anything it would be this:

I like BYU's chances of going to a bowl this year more than I like Utah's.

The irony is, I LIKE Utah, the football team anyway. And I've grown rather fond of you, Spokane Ute, and I REALLY do hope Utah does better than I fear they will this year.

But this is a BYU article. I can deal with reasoned discussion from the loyal opposition, and I think Mildred and Earnest can be funny, if not over done a little. But I get so tired of viscous gnashing of teeth trying to be passed off as clever smack.

Don't you, brother?

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

Just the FAX

It's a waste of time trying to use logic with some blogger; they're so blinded by their personal biases, that they immediately reject any logic that refutes their distorted view of reality.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Y Grad/Y Dad,

I do, but I've come to notice that the same trolls (both sides, and you know who you are) dole out the same drivel over, and over, and over....I also think many post under several names.

Both BYU and Utah have brutal schedules, so getting to a bowl will be tougher than in the past. When I step away from the blog and haters; I too hope BYU does well this year. I know a lot of great BYU fans, in person. It's unfortunate that BYU doesn't have more bowl options, but that's the way it goes as an independent. Any how, Thanks for your kind words and I look forward to mixing it up with you in the future. Its certainly refreshing dialogue for a change. Take care and have a good Guy!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Amen, but I really don't spend time on Utah articles unless a) there is absolutely, positively nothing going on with BYU football; or b) the Utes have done something truly worthy of congratulations.

Anyway, keep your best Utah shirt ready, I'll do the same with my favorite BYU shirt (quest or something) and maybe someday we'll meet in a fine dining establishment in Spokane and make all the zags wonder just what I the heck that's all about.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

SpokaneUte:
Thanks for understanding lol. In the end I was simply trying to point out that how our respective programs do in terms of post season, wins, and rankings will always hold more weight, especially from a national perspective, than what they do against one another. I also agree that getting to a bowl game is going to be much tougher for both schools this year. Good luck to the utes. Cheers.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

"rankings will always hold more weight, especially from a national perspective"
********

No... rankings do not hold more weight... if rankings held the weight you think they do BYU would not be facing the very real peril of being left behind in a mid-major wasteland when the 5 power conferences form an elite division.

But hey... BYU can always retain its status as king to the mid-majors... well except for Boise.

WON84
PLANO, TX

"The irony is, I LIKE Utah, the football team anyway. And I've grown rather fond of you, Spokane Ute, and I REALLY do hope Utah does better than I fear they will this year."

Most of Spokane's posts indicate he doesn't feel threatened by the presence of BYU. But, the rest of the Ute fans that visit these boards...well, they're usually first to comment on articles related to BYU and author at least half (if not more) of the comments which follow. I really think their biggest fear is BYU becoming BYU of old. I don't know why it matters when they're no longer in the same conference and for the most part, recruits that are going to BYU are going to BYU. But, there are a lot of nervous people here.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@WON84

There certainly are a lot of nervous people here.

People who cling desperately to an illusory legacy and who fear being left behind in a mid-major wasteland when the power conferences form a 1st tier division.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Is there anything funnier on these boards than naval's daily attempts to proclaim an internet victory? LOL!

naval I have told you this numerous times and maybe one of these times you'll actually get it. If you have to declare yourself the victor, in otherwords if you have to lamely try to convince everyone else that you somehow "won" an internet argument, then the reality is you did not.

LOL!

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

Howard S.

"People who cling desperately to an illusory legacy and who fear being left behind in a mid-major wasteland when the power conferences form a 1st tier division."

Nothing but jealous speculation from supporters of a program that's never even sniffed a legacy.

BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977, 18 of 36 seasons (50%), 5 of 8 during the Bronco/Kyle era (over 50%). The Utes have never been ranked in 50% of the polls in any decade in their history, and from the way things are going in the PAC, they never will - 0 for 2, with not a single vote in either final poll.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

We may not hear from Naval Vet for a while, since he recently posted...

"I can see the trepidation in your last post. You're worried that Phil Steele will put more distance between our 2 programs. I think he will too. But here's the thing about Phil Steele:
(1) He's entirely unbiased. He's neither pro-Utah nor pro-IndyWAC.
(2) His publications have been consistently noted as the most accurate of all college football publications.
(3) There can be no cherry-picking of stats because neither you nor I have seen it since it hadn't yet been released."

What does this "unbiased" and "most accurate publication" say?

BYU preseason rank #37, 2 players on preseason all-america team, 8 first team all-independent (5 second team), final 2012 power rating of 141 (higher is better)

Utah preseason rank NR, ZERO players on preseason all-america team, ZERO first team all-PAC12 players (one on second team), final 2012 PR of 129.

He was right, Phil Steele has certainly put more distance between the two programs. Go Cougs!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@anti BCS

Pollsters and sports writers are not the power brokers of modern era of college football. The BCS and the 5 power conferences rule in college football and they have shown little regard for the glorious polling legacy of BYU.

Cougar nation should be prepared to be satisfied with mid-major glory when the power 5 leave them behind.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@WisconsinCoug

Don't put too much stock in pre-season polls/predictions. That and 75 cents will get you a Desseret News, news paper. I found that out last year.

The season needs to start soon, everyone needs some new ammunition.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Wiscougarfan

LOL!

Although she/he will show up and try to somehow claim "victory" anyway. It isn't just that she/he has to convince all of us that she/he was "victorious", she/he obviously has to try to convince herself/himself as well. Funny stuff, as always.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Spokane Ute

For once we definitely agree. Pre-season hype means nothing, I simply posted the last one because with Naval Vet's set-up it was too good to pass up. Cheers.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"[mendenmidmajor] beat Oregon State who was ranked 18 in the final BCS polls of 2009."

That's a red herring. The final "BCS polls" are NOT the final polls. That poll is only designed to determine who gets into the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, and Nat'l Championship bowl games. The "final polls" are the "AP" and the "USA Today", and Oregon St. did NOT finished ranked in those final polls. Ergo, mendenmidmajor did NOT beat any ranked BCS teams. Who did you think you were fooling with that spin job?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Just the FAX:

"Simple logic says that team with better record and higher ranking is the better overall team."

And even MORE simple (and more accurate) logic says that the team who keeps putting more points on the scoreboard both 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11 times is the better overall team.

Edge: Utah.

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