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Published: Sunday, June 16 2013 6:06 p.m. MDT

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Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Y>U
Anaheim, CA

Yeah... San Diego State was a real powerhouse... keep telling yourself that... you may start believing it.

But it's like I said BYU does great against the WAC/MWC, but when they face the BCS big boys they have a losing record... like 46%.

Oh, you never answered how BYU will maintain its illusion of relevance when the five power conferences inevitably leave BYU and the mid-majors behind...

hmmmmmmm?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Howie:
Because I can own up to mistakes when I make them, I will apologize and tell you that I realized Bronco does not have a better percentage than Kyle W against BCS opponents but it's still very close. KW is 16-15 against BCS opponents, while Bronco is 11-12. I was focused on ranked opponents when I made the above statement, and Bronco does have a better winning percentage against ranked opponents than Whit (36% to 28%). My apologies.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Let's get some things set straight.

Uteology brought up that an undefeated 2001 BYU team was denied a BCS bowl. As we can see in the history of the BCS, it took a few undefeated teams before they finally accepted an undefeated non-BCS team. It is said that people say "No" a few times before they say "Yes". Utah fans should thank BYU for being part of the groundbreaking that lead to a Utah 2004 BCS bowl game.

Also, BYU haters here are saying that all major conferences rejected BYU. That is not necessarily true; they have rejected aspects of BYU which don't have to do with football. For the PAC, they rejected their religion. The Big 12 rejected their demands for broadcasting rights. Note that there was interest in BYU, but the conferences didn't see BYU as a perfect fit for them. Of course, BYU haters don't listen to reason and will continue to say that BYU is "unwanted", when they obviously weren't.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Let's not confuse the issue of ranked opponents by including those ranked at the time of the game.

Only opponents ranked in the final polls have proven themselves to be worthy opponents.

Bronco has beaten 0 BCS opponents ranked in the final polls.

Whit has beaten 2 BCS opponents ranked in the final polls.

While I disagree with your count of records against BCS opponents... the point stands that Whit has a winning record against BSC teams and Bronco has a losing record.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

The Deuce
Livermore, CA

"I have a unique idea for the Cougars: Win and you will have a choice of bowl games. Keep on the same path as last year and we will be talking about this same topic next year. Take a page out of the Boise State play book - win!"

Exquisitely good comment, especially as illustrated by the fact that if you don't win,

YOU STAY HOME.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"What would OU have done with Sam Bradford the rest of the year."

They most likely would have maintained (or expanded) the lead, and won the game. Duh!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Howard

Actually Whit beat 3 BCS teams in the final USA Today poll in one season (2008-2009): Alabama #6, TCU #7 and Oregon State #19 (and BYU #21).

BYU's independence gives them flexibility in scheduling; and that's a good thing. They have put together a solid schedule this year. Their independence gives them no flexibility in post season: to me, that's a bad thing. It seems like the majority of the BYU fans are content being locked into the Vegas or Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. To each his own.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"Bronco has a better record against BCS and ranked opponents than Kyle W"

No he doesn't. Since 2005, mendenmidmajor is 12-14 (.462) vs. BCS schools, and 3-15 (.167) vs. teams that finished ranked in the final AP poll. Over that same period of time, Whittingham had gone 21-16 (.568) vs. BCS schools, and 6-13 (.316) vs. teams finishing ranked in the final AP Poll.

So essentially, Whittingham trumps mendenmidmajor both in "quantity" of wins, and in "winning rate/percentage".

Edge: Whittingham.

Do you see what happens when you start getting all frantic and emotional again? You get embarrassed.

UoU 1991
Park City, UT

Spokane Ute

"Actually Whit beat 3 BCS teams in the final USA Today poll in one season (2008-2009): Alabama #6, TCU #7 and Oregon State #19 (and BYU #21)."

Was TCU also a member of the Southwest Conference in 2008?

Sorry to burst your bcs-fascination bubble, but TCU wasn't a bcs team in 2008.

Utah had ONE good year, in 2008, beating several Top 25 teams. Other than that one break-through year, however, Kyle is 2-10 versus Top 25 teams.

BEING at Top 25 team, however, is far more important than merely beating a Top 25 team.

Bronco has FIVE Top 25 finishes; Kyle only has THREE.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Riverton Cougar:

"Utah fans should thank BYU for being part of the groundbreaking that lead to a Utah 2004 BCS bowl game."

The only thing we need to thank our Indy-WACey little brother for leading the Utes into the 2004 (and 2008) BCS bowl was "thank you for rolling over for us to complete our undefeated season(s)".

You Y fans need to do your research. You guys didn't pave any road for us. From the beginning of the BCS system, non-AQs were eligible for a guaranteed bid if they finished in the Top-6 of the Final BCS poll. Tulane ('98), Marshall ('99), and Miami [OH] ('03) did not finish high enough. Utah did. The relaxed standard wasn't put into effect until 2006...the year Boise St. busted the BCS. Boise St. did not obtain a Top-6 ranking, but as the standard dropped to Top-12, they were able to get into the Fiesta Bowl.

Utah and TCU were the only BCS busters to have gotten in without needing the relaxed standards. So stop trying to take any credit for us. We don't owe you any thanks.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Naval Vet

With all of that winning against "bcs" and "ranked" teams, how is it that Whittingham has been so inept at actually finishing in the Top 25?

Could it be that his big wins have been neutralized by big losses to unranked teams and teams with losing records like 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado?

LOL at the frantic and emotional spin to try to paint finishing UNRANKED as an accomplishment!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Riverton Cougar:

"BYU haters here are saying that all major conferences rejected BYU. That is not necessarily true; they have rejected aspects of BYU which don't have to do with football. For the PAC, they rejected their religion. The Big 12 rejected their demands for broadcasting rights...BYU haters don't listen to reason and will continue to say that BYU is 'unwanted', when they obviously weren't."

No, the reason why the Indy-WACers weren't invited was because they WERE "unwanted". The Big 12 never "rejected" the Y's demands because there WAS an offer. So said Holmoe. Utah is full of the same religion the Y is, and that never kept US out of the Pac-12. "Religion" is just the sour-grapped frantic and emotional "excuse" that never was grounded in anything factual. Everybody knew the Pac-10 liked Tier-1 Research institutions, and everybody knew that the Y was NOT one of those. You weren't qualified. End of story.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@my two dad's....."You want to talk 3 in a row, 4 of the last 5 (6)? Go ahead! Can't stop ya. But Utah has NOTHING, when it comes to bowl smack. Go scheme and dream that MAYBE you'll join us in the Kraft Mac&Cheese bowl. If you catch several lucky breaks."

Really?...Utah 2 BCS bowl win's cougies 0....Utah 13-4 overall in bowl games Cougies 13-17-1 overall in bowl games.....Utah same amount of bowl win's while playing 14 less games. As you can see the winning % in bowl games is laughable how much better utah is. Utah also has beat the highest ranked team either has played in a bowl game.

Don't start bowl smack talk Utah's bowl history is miles ahead of what the cougies have done.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Markitdown

USC was up 24-21 at the end of 3rd @RES. They won only because of Mark Barkley.

Against Georgia Tech Markely was injured and their freshman QB lost 21-7. Wittek threw for 107 yards, Nelson 208 and I think Barkley is a better QB so maybe 300+?

@Riverton Cougar: Uteology brought up that an undefeated 2001 BYU team was denied a BCS bowl...Utah fans should thank BYU for being part of the groundbreaking that lead to a Utah 2004 BCS bowl game.

I did not such thing, you weren't undefeated in 2001. Utah fans are thankful to Hawaii for exposing the 2001 BYU team as a BCS-busting fraud.

The only groundbreaking BYU did was getting rolled-into-the-ground by Utah as we made history TWICE.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@UoU 1991

BEING at Top 25 team, however, is far more important than merely beating a Top 25 team.

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Apparently not in Provo:

"People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks.
And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated... In the wake of BYU's stunning 14-13 upset over No. 3 Oklahoma, spontaneous celebrations erupted throughout this city and lasted well into the early hours of the morning on Sunday." -- Deseret News (2009)

Please tell us when was the last time you celebrated a top 25 finish in the streets of Provo.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Riverton Cougar:

CORRECTION....The Big 12 never "rejected" the Y's demands because there was NO offer. So said Holmoe.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

UofU1991

Yes, I stand corrected. They did beat FOUR top 25 teams that year though, and you didn't "burst my bcs-fascination bubble". How has Kyle done vs. Bronco Mr. Helper? Why so bitter? Amazing how defensive and nasty people get. The fact of the matter is than neither Utah or BYU have done much lately.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

re: spokaneute: Yes, I stand corrected. They did beat FOUR top 25 teams that year though, and you didn't "burst my bcs-fascination bubble".

Kyle had a great year in 2008, but has done precious little before or since.

Bronco has finished with a better record and higher ranking in 5 of the last 8 seasons, including 3 of the 4 seasons since 2008.

2005 unranked/#55 Bronco(6-6) < unranked/#51 Kyle(7-5)
2006 #16/#15/#19 Bronco(11-2) > unranked/#54 Kyle(8-5)
2007 #14/#15/#17 Bronco(11-2) > unranked/#34 Kyle(9-4)
2008 #25/#21/#32 Bronco(10-3) < #2/#4/#5 Kyle(13-0)
2009 #12/#12/#15 Bronco(11-2) > #18/#18/#24(10-3)
2010 unranked/#45 Bronco(7-6) < ur/#23/#26 Kyle(10-3)
2011 ur/#25/#34 Bronco(10-3) > unranked/#39 Kyle(8-5)
2012 unranked/#26 Bronco(8-5) > unranked/#61 Kyle(5-7)

Overall
Bronco 74-29, FIVE Top 25 Finishes, TWO MWC championships
Kyle 70-32, THREE Top 25 Finishes, ONE MWC championship

The records and rankings speak for themselves.

Don't bother with whiny SOS spin; it's already considered in the rankings.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

@2BCSWINS--

Furthermore, both UTAH/byu have reached 11 bowl games during this current BCS Era. We all know about what UTAH's accomplished twice, something byu hasn't ever even remotely sniffed, ever, but here's another glaring reality relative to bowl games--

UTAH is 10-1, while byu has struggled to keep their collective-head above .500 at 6-5.

Why they bring up our 1st missed bowl game since '02, by 1 game no less, is utterly mind-boggling, to say the very least. As if constituted a trend or something and as if it magically caused their utter futility in bowl games by comparison to disappear or something.

Not to mention our head-to-head results. LOL

STuFOO
Korea, AE

u fans...

explain to me your logic...

what do you gain by arguing with BYU fans that you are superior?

If you win...

You are still nobody in your conference. You are still irrelevant in the national football scene. You are still an after thought to EVERYONE outside of SLC.

If you lose...

You are still nobody in your conference. You are still irrelevant in the national football scene. You are still an after thought to EVERYONE outside of SLC.

AND a lesser program than BYU.

So it is obviously worth your time to argue.

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