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Published: Sunday, June 16 2013 6:06 p.m. MDT

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MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Re: RedBlood @ 11:35 am

"I can tell you one thing we've done in the last five years...

Beat BYU 4 of the last 5 years

Is that something?"

Yes, it is something. It is rather embarrassing. This year things will change; at least the odds makers in Vegas think so (I don't bet, but those guys make their tawdry living on it).

However, in the majority of those years I believe BYU was ranked higher in the final polls than Utah, which polls are better indicators of a team's overall performance than just one game. BTW, the poll mentioned include the final BCS rankings (which include SOS rendering any arguments about BYU's weak SOS irrelevant).

Have a nice day.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Spokane Ute

So your response to my earlier post is that BYU can't play in a bowl in San Antonio that Utah didn't make it to two years ago?

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Spokane Ute

Frankly, as a fan, I couldn't care less what a particular bowl pays out.

I'm far more interested in whether the bowl is played in an interesting location with other entertainment options in addition to the bowl.

San Diego, Las Vegas, Orlando, and this year, San Francisco (if BYU doesn't have an unlikely 11- or 12-win season), are among the cities our family has enjoyed visiting even without a football game to attend.

El Paso, on the other hand, is not a place I would even remotely be interested in taking my family, especially for New Year's Eve... yuck!

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Naval,

Your continued use of the term Indy-WACers is so tired. What's unfortunate is that sometimes your comments are relevant and actually deserve merit but you're so obviously more interested in demeaning and belittling than adding any real value to the conversation.

What's been said many times before is that the WAC provided some much needed scheduling help the first couple years of BYU's football independence, which BYU is very grateful for. I believe the arrangement was of mutual benefit for the WAC schools that opened up their schedules. Two questions for you: How many WAC teams does BYU play in 2013? And if BYU manages to pull out 8-10 wins this year, playing a much improved schedule, will you give them any credit? None of us here will be holding our breaths.

I, for one, am not predicting an 8-10 or more win season but it's certainly possible. My point is, your blinding hatred for BYU precludes you from seeing anything objectively having to do with BYU. You try and hide that fact by sounding logical but who here will buy it based on your track record?

RedBlood
Bountiful, UT

@ giantfan

Great comments. I can't speak for Naval but applaud your realistic approach to this season. This year, in my opinion, really is one of the first solid schedules BYU has had for quite some time. The 8-11 wins they have enjoyed in recent years have been WAY over hyped and Bronco has received far too much credit for those records. As BYU moves into schedules that are noteworthy, the writing will be on the wall relative to how many wins you can now pull off. As I mentioned in a recent post, I can personally live with occasional down years. No doubt it was embarrassing to not reach bowl eligibility last year. That doesn't happen often with the Utes so I can live with it for a season. Bronco, and lately, Whittingham, have shown they generally struggle in the big games. This will absolutely catch up to both of them if things don't change. I'm not sure if there won't be moaning in Provo should the Cougars lose to Utah this year and make it five straight losses to their rival up north. Say what you want - that's an important game.

Good luck in 2013!

Tators
Hyrum, UT

I'd like to know if anyone has seen any articles concerning Utah going to a future bowl game... any bowl game at all, even lower tier? No... I didn't think so. Neither have I.

The only relevant talk I've recently heard concerning Utah and bowl games is if they will ever again qualify for one. Perhaps joining the PAC10 was getting in a little over it's head.

As such, it's little wonder there are so many Ute "fans" commenting on a BYU-Bowl game article. There is nowhere similar for them to go. It's rather sad that if you can't find any good news about yourself, you instead try to demean the good that someone else has. Hence, the negative comments from Utah fans concerning this article.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

I stand corrected. Sort of. I DID mention that they played the game on SMU's campus, so the whole Ft. Worth vs. Dallas was an inadvertence. It wasn't a "made up" fact. It was a misstatement. Do you know the difference?

A "made up fact" would be for someone to say something like "I was there, and yes, 75% were BYU fans." Because the only thing that is "known" about the 2011 Armed Forces Bowl was that it wasn't a "sold out" bowl game, and that only 30K fans were recorded to have passed thru the turnstiles. If the game wasn't sold out, what kept the Indy-WACey fans from purchasing tickets? Don't forget that unsold ticket allotments are available to the public well before game day.

When the Indy-WACers played TCU at Jerry's World, there were only 50K recorded in attendance. But you're insisting that the Indy-WACers' "easily" comprised of 60% of the fans in a game located 15-mi. west of the stadium? That's the sort of frantic and emotional made up facts I was talking about.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ MacNasty

"Yes, it is something. It is rather embarrassing. This year things will change; at least the odds makers in Vegas think so (I don't bet, but those guys make their tawdry living on it)"

If I'm not mistaken; Hasn't BYU been favored to win the last few years against Utah going into the rival game according to Vegas? Somehow Utah always comes out on top! Don't flatter yourself over what Vegas thinks. Utah has had BYU's number for the last decade! Point spreads change week to week as the season kicks off! Nobody knows for sure what kind of team Utah and BYU will have this year until they play a game or two. That's why preseason Vegas odds are worthless!

WA_Alum&Dad
Marysville, WA

I haven't stopped to count it up for this article, but once again it seems like half the comments posted are from BYU haters. I don't think I've ever commented on a Utah story that didn't have an explicit BYU tie-in. You ute fans need to get a life. Is all that's left for you now that your dreams came true and you are in a power conference is to comment on a team that you profess not to care about? Who is "frantic and emotional?" Sheesh.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

giantfan:

"Your continued use of the term Indy-WACers is so tired...How many WAC teams does BYU play in 2013? And if BYU manages to pull out 8-10 wins this year, playing a much improved schedule, will you give them any credit?"

My continued use of the term Indy-WACers DOES irritate the fans that have been desperately trying to spin and whitewash their knee-jerk reaction of leaving the most competitive non-AQ conference in the country once realizing that no elite conference wanted them. That said, you're "legacy" and "brand" were not built on playing the kind of schedule we'll be seeing in the Fall, and neither had you ever seen a schedule even REMOTELY like that in the history of cougar football. It had been built on beating all the weakest teams...

...in the WAC.

So until you actually "play" (not "schedule") a competitive schedule, don't expect me to be impressed with your recent 10- and 8-win seasons. Those seasons were WACish. So your TEAM is WACish.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

giantfan:

"...if BYU manages to pull out 8-10 wins this year, playing a much improved schedule, will you give them any credit?"

Likely. I certainly gave your "Band of Bunglers" credit for beating Oklahoma back in 2009, even though that win was JUST BARELY, and the lead wasn't taken in that game until AFTER you all knocked Bradford out of the game, leaving the Sooners with a true freshman under center. I gave you all credit because despite all that, you DID win the game, and it WAS a virtual Home game for Oklahoma.

I didn't rescind such respect until AFTER it turned out that at 8-5, Oklahoma was grossly overrated rather than the Top-5 program we all mistakenly made them out to be in the preseason.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To Redblood:

FYI: Utah's win streak is 3, not 4 over BYU, as you wrote. And 2 of those 3 wins were by a combined total of only 4 points and decided in the last minute of the game. Also, BYU generated more offense than Utah in both of those 2 games.

And by the way, the current streak ended last year. This September will confirm it. Utah seems to be so unconfident about being able to continue it's winning ways against BYU that they are dropping them from their schedule after this year. And considering that Utah hasn't lately been able to generate enough wins to go bowling, you'd think they would go out their way to keep anyone on their schedule they felt they could beat. And perhaps they have.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

Interesting to see all the Utah fans obsessing over BYU's bowl chances.

Then again, considering Utah is predicted to miss a bowl again this year it's not surprising they'd rather talk about BYU. Or USU. Or any other team that is going to a bowl.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ WA_Alum&Dad

"I haven't stopped to count it up for this article, but once again it seems like half the comments posted are from BYU haters. I don't think I've ever commented on a Utah story that didn't have an explicit BYU tie-in. You ute fans need to get a life. Is all that's left for you now that your dreams came true and you are in a power conference is to comment on a team that you profess not to care about? Who is "frantic and emotional?" Sheesh"

Why don't you try and read and comment on Utah only articles. You'll be surprised how many Utah-haters you'll find on those articles! Sorry, but hating goes both ways not just Utah fans hating BYU!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

WisconsinCoug

My point is that Utah can play in the Sun, Alamo, Holiday, or Rose Bowl. All of these destinations are an impossibility for BYU. I guess the Rose is possible, but extremely remote. Pretty simple concept; belonging to a power conference provides these options (better bowls, better opponents, better pay out). Playing as an independent provides one option: fight hunger bowl. Understand?

Phantomblade

I watch the bowls on TV. I would prefer to watch Utah play a power conference opponent with a better pay out, then a non power conference opponent is San Fran, or Vegas. However, if you base it on location alone, so be it. I find it hard to believe that BYU wouldn't love to have Utah's post season options. I will take the PAC 12 tie ins, to the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl tie in/lock; any day of the week!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Phantomblade

You don't have to worry about going to Elpaso, San Antonio or Pasadena. It's San Diego or no where.

So if a Utah fan gives there opinion on BYU's bowl situation, they are automatically a Hater? No, just a sports fan explaining the difference between a PAC 12 team's bowl options, and an Independent. No hate, just telling it like it is.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

The righteous indignation of some BYU fans on this web site targeted toward Utah fans is hilarious. Have any of you guys read any given DesNews article on the Utes? There are generally as many BYU fans taking pot shots at Utah as there are Ute fans defending their program.

It goes both ways.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Tators

"Utah's win streak is 3, not 4 over BYU, as you wrote. And 2 of those 3 wins were by a combined total of only 4 points and decided in the last minute of the game. Also, BYU generated more offense than Utah in both of those 2 games"

2 of BYU's last 3 wins over Utah were by a combine total of 5 points and Utah had more total offense than BYU in those games. What are you trying to prove? Sometimes teams win with generating less offense. As long as a team has more points at the end of the game, they win! See how easy that is? That's why Utah dominates the rivalry in recent years and historically!

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

If the Y could ever get back to winning again ..against the BIG teams.. the bowl situation would take care of itself. When was the last BIG game the Y won? Right now BYU is in College Football waste land and the only way out is to win. To win the Y needs a big time QB with a BIG arm and they don't have that so ...

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Naval Vet

"Likely. I certainly gave your "Band of Bunglers" credit for beating Oklahoma back in 2009, even though that win was JUST BARELY, and the lead wasn't taken in that game until AFTER you all knocked Bradford out of the game, leaving the Sooners with a true freshman under center. I gave you all credit because despite all that, you DID win the game, and it WAS a virtual Home game for Oklahoma."

Really??! I'd love to see where you gave BYU credit for anything positive, I've never seen a troll do such a thing but it would be cool. Oddly, I scrolled through the 577 comments for the article following the BYU/OU game (BYU football: Blue crush — Cougars send BCS message with stunning win) and there were no comments by Naval Vet. Neither were there any on the other eight articles written about the game that weekend. You probably just forgot that you gave credit to BYU in your mind but never actually wrote it down.

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