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Published: Sunday, June 16 2013 6:06 p.m. MDT

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MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

MacNasty
"Did you know that BYU's fan base ranks #43 out of 120 FBS college teams? Oregeon ranks #45 and Stanford ranks #69. Utah ranks #67 and Utah State ranks #119."

That's impossible. How could byu be ranked all the way down at #43 when they have 11 Billion fans?

SLC BYU Fan
"But then again isn't it the "fairness doctrine to Utah State" that has landed BYU in the league alignment mess that it find itself in?" Yes, that's exactly what it is...the fault of someone else. Always is when it comes to byu's misfortunes.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

We have enough clout to choose any bowl we want. With our $6M to $8M per game payout from ESPN, great bowl records and huge fan basses that travel, every bowl will want us. We can pick any of them. We go to Rose bowl before the 1 in Pac 11+1

statman
Lehi, UT

The most interesting thing about BYU's fan base to Bowls and TV people is that it is spread all across the country. Play a game in the State of California? BYU will bring 40K if they're slotted that many tickets - better than virtually any out of state PAC-12 team, except at this point, maybe for Oregon. Play in Texas? Count on 20K - 30K if you can get them tickets. ND? Full of as many BYU fans could get tickets. Georga Tech? Same. Virginia will be the same this year - count on 20K plus. Wisconsin? Same. There are VERY few teams that have that draw anywhere in the country. That's what makes BYU so intriguing. There fanbase is not gigantic, but it's spread around the country like very few teams, and the fans are happy to drive 5 or 6 hours to get to a game.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Bluto

And what would those choices be? Whether they win 6; or 10/11 games this year, they will end up in the same bowl: Kraft fight Hunger. It may not be fair; but it's reality!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@statman

A massive fanbase and the Cougars are still left to wait for the left-overs after the power conerences make their deals.

Maybe that massive fanbase isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CO Ute:

"BYU has a large national following and is a good draw for most of the bowl games. They should have no problem locking into games for the future."

That should be MOSTLY true....in that they won't be left out of the postseason with 6-wins. But they WILL be left out of any bowl game of significance.

I would suspect the Indy-WACers would align themselves with one of the following postseason destinations: Famous Idaho Potato, Poinsettia, Armed Forces, Hawai'i, New Mexico, and/or "new bowl TBD". All are in the West, and none threatening to break the $850K glass ceiling payout our unfortunate little brothers are trapped under.

That said, here a few other more long-shots: New Orleans, Beef 'O' Brady, GoDaddy, Little Caesars, Military, Fight Hunger, Las Vegas, and Heart of Texas. The New Orleans, Beef 'O' Brady, GoDaddy, Military, and Little Caesars are substantially outside their footprint, and the Fight Hunger, Las Vegas, and Heart of Texas pay out too much money for the bowl organizers, who would most likely rather attract a team from one of the 5 power conferences.

I guess we'll see.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to SLC BYU Fan & the rest of cougar nation;

Is it slowly starting to dawn on you that byu needs to win 10 games to qualify for the same level of bowl that a 6 or 7 win Utah team would.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

statman

"Play a game in the State of California? BYU will bring 40K if they're slotted that many tickets - better than virtually any out of state PAC-12 team, except at this point, maybe for Oregon. Play in Texas? Count on 20K - 30K if you can get them tickets. ND? Full of as many BYU fans could get tickets. Georga Tech? Same. Virginia will be the same this year - count on 20K plus. Wisconsin? Same."

Really? The stadium at the San Jose game last year was half empty and it only holds 15,000. Where were the byu fans? You people type this stuff up or read a comment from someone else and believe every word of it.

Go cougars!

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

BYU has a pretty nice set up. After their first loss they are out of the national bowls, and fans can make bowl travel plans in September.

Well... they can make plans if they feel pretty confident about getting to 6-6. That's been pretty much assured with the weak start-up schedule. If BYU gets a BCS-like schedule, fans will have to wait longer to lock in those bowl travel plans.

CodyCougar
Madison, SD

If its exposure, lets go big! Each year, Holmoe can land us in a mid-December bowl, and then in a second early January bowl. One on each coast--we could fill them up, double the pay-check and satisfy double the fans.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

statman:

"The most interesting thing about BYU's fan base to Bowls and TV people is that it is spread all across the country. Play a game in the State of California? BYU will bring 40K..."

It doesn't look that way. The entire recorded attendance at the 2012 Poinsettia Bowl -- played in San Diego, CA -- was only 35K.

"Play in Texas? Count on 20K - 30K"

The 2011 Armed Forces Bowl -- played in Ft. Worth, TX -- only drew 30K total fans. Surely you couldn't be suggesting that the ENTIRE stadium's attendees were 100% Indy-WACers. Especially not since Tulsa is nearly 75% closer to SMU's campus than the Y. Better change that to "made up stats man"?

"That's what makes BYU so intriguing. There [sic] fanbase is not gigantic, but it's spread around the country like very few teams."

Actually, what makes the Indy-WACers so intriguing is that their fanbase is not gigantic, but their own opinions of themselves IS. Hence all the frantic and emotional exaggerations of relevance.

RedBlood
Bountiful, UT

Ridiculous comments.

I am amazed at how much blue kool aid, personally mixed by Mr. Holmoe has been drunk by Cougar fans. Have any of you Cougar fans really stepped back to read your comments? Perhaps the majority of Cougar fans really are satisfied and / or content to consistently play in lower tier bowl games, all in the name of "exposure". If you really think playing in crappy bowl games is good exposure for your university, and you are satisfied that is the goal of your athletic director, then more power to you. I shake my head thinking what a sad state that would be to be in, i.e. rationalizing mediocrity. I have said this a thousand times and cougar fans just don't seem to get it - IT IS FAR BETTER FOR YOUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM TO HAVE AVERAGE SEASONS, INTERSPERSED WITH MAJOR, BCS EXPOSURE, THAN IT IS FOR YOU TO WIN 10-11 GAMES VERSUS CRAP SCHEDULES AND GET SUBSEQUENT 'EXPOSURE' IN CRAP BOWL GAMES.

You really need to wake up and demand from your AD that your genuine goal is national exposure through QUALITY wins and trips to the playoff system. Trust me, I have experienced this!

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Re: MyPerspective @ 9:16 am

First off, there are only 7 billion people of the planet. If you include the spirit world, your 11 billion might be close to accurate. LOL

BYU's fan base at last count is 201.7% greater than the Utah's fan base (BYU = 709,864, Utah = 351,7939).

Those are the numbers and no mildly glib or weak sarcastic statements will change them.

Have a great day.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Navel lint,

"Actually, what makes the Indy-WACers so intriguing is that their fanbase is not gigantic, but their own opinions of themselves IS"

So what you are saying is that when a BYU fan expresses their opinion on a BYU article, they are arrogant, self-serving and narcissistic...

So when a u fan / BYU hater, like your self, expresses their opinion, on a BYU article, which is highly critical, never objective, and always with malice....

What would you call that?

Talk about having a high opinion of yourself. Good thing you can point out that mote in their eye with the BEAM in yours.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

BYU will get much more exposure and therefore attract better recruits. The MWC would have kept them in obscurity. Independence will allow them to step up to the next level.Utah will have a competitive year this year and will soon have a great year and win the PAC 12. Both schools are in better positions than before despite the relatively mediocre years for both last year. Both teams have good defensive coaches but need offenses this year. Change will pay off over time.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

I am so grateful that u fans come to these boards and share their infinite wisdom. They are so smart! Wow, I mean...

with all that knowledge...

they must have a really good team.

with all that experience...

they must be called on by their AD all the time to structure their schedule.

with all that knowledge...

they must be working for ESPN giving expert advice to commentators.

Wait, what?

the u is irreverent? they didn't go bowling last year? they are cellar dwellers in the pac 11=1?

That's surprising...

you'd think they had done something the last five years...

anything...

RedBlood
Bountiful, UT

@STuFOO

I can tell you one thing we've done in the last five years...

Beat BYU 4 of the last 5 years

Is that something?

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Trolls

Your point of BYU going to the same Kraft fight hunger bowl whether they are a six win or an eleven win team is pointless. Why? Because it is highly unlikely BYU will win more than eight games this season against such a difficult schedule. So having a guaranteed bowl for an independent team is nice. And it's not a bad bowl... it's in San Fransisco and teams who have played there recently include Virginia Tech, Boston College, Utah, and Florida Sate. They payout isn't great but there are worse things in the world.

What I don't get is why this is so important to y'all. If Utah wins six games (highly unlikely) then there is a chance they will play in the New Mexico Bowl or if they are lucky (maybe with seven or eight wins) the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Barring a miracle (winning eight or more games) Utah will be going to a "lower" bowl than BYU. Really, at this point the best case scenario for the Utes is that they'll join the cougars in San Fransisco, hoping for some redemption for their September loss to the Y.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@Naval Vet - "Play in Texas? Count on 20K - 30K" The 2011 Armed Forces Bowl -- played in Ft. Worth, TX -- only drew 30K total fans."

Talk about made up facts. BYU played Tulsa at SMU stadium which only holds 32,000. TCU was under construction. I was there, and yes, 75% were BYU fans. I'm sure BYU could have sold 30k, but some of the tickets had to go to Tulsa.

When BYU played TCU in Jerry World, BYU easily had 30k. When BYU played Oklahoma in Jerry World, BYU easily had 30k.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@WisconsinCoug

I'm sure that you are aware Utah played in the Sun Bowl 2 years ago, and that they were a major upset (to Colorado) away from playing in the Alamo Bowl don't you? Both bowl have a higher payout then any of the bowls you mention; and both are un-touchable by BYU.

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