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Published: Sunday, June 16 2013 6:06 p.m. MDT

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Best Season, based on stregth of schedule and bowl opponent:
1) Utah 2008
2) BYU 1996
3) Utah 2004
4) BYU 1984
5) Utah St. 2012.........almost

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Spokane Ute

"I will take my Sugar Bowl trophy season over 1984 any day of the week. I don't think you are being honest if you feel BYU's season was more impressive."

There are two iconic trophies that symbolize major college football supremacy:

The AFCA Crystal Football National Championship trophy - the ultimate symbol of team success in college football

The Heisman Trophy - the most prestigious individual award in college football

No other team or individual trophy even comes close to matching the prestige of either.

BYU's Hall of Fame contains both.
Utah's Hall of Fame contains neither.

Anybody trying to claim that they'd rather have the Sugar Bowl trophy than the National Championship trophy is not being honest with themselves.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@BlueCoug

Never said which I would "rather have", now did I? I just stated which season was the most impressive. That's looking at from the caliber of competition and the bowl opponent. I'm being honest; congrats on your NC.

I feel like I just went 10 rounds with Cosmo!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Spokane Ute:

I'm pretty sure Utah's Top-10 1994 season -- where we beat 4 teams who finished in the Top-25 -- was a more impressive season than our little brother's '84 season.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@spokane ute

"Never said which I would "rather have", now did I?"

Actually that is exactly what you said in slightly different words and are now trying to fudge out on. Let's review.

"I will take my Sugar Bowl trophy season over 1984 any day of the week."

We don't even need to go into your use of the phrase "my sugar bowl season" as if you had anything at all to do with it other than hopping on the bandwagon, let alone point out how absurd it is to think a 4th place finsish one year is even remotely comparable to an actual universally recognized (exempting utah "fans") National Championship season but I'll tell you what I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word this time. You probably would rather finish 4th. Congratulations?

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Best Seasons, based on rankings (which are the final measure of each season) and records

1) #1/#1 BYU(13-0) 1984
2) #2/#4 Utah(13-0) 2008
3) #4/#5 Utah(12-0) 2004
4) #5/#5 BYU(14-1) 1996
5) #7/#7 BYU(11-1) 1983
6) #10/#8 Utah(10-2) 1994
7) #12/#12 BYU(12-1) 1980
8) #12/#12 BYU(11-2) 2009
9) #13/#11 BYU(11-2) 1981
10) #13/#12 BYU(11-1) 1979
11) #18/#10 BYU(10-3) 1994
12) #14/#15 BYU(11-2) 2007
13) #16/#15 BYU(11-2) 2006
14) #16/#17 USU(11-2) 2012
15) #16/#17 BYU(11-3) 1985
16) #18/#18 Utah(11-2) 2009
17) #20/#16 BYU(9-2) 1977
18) #19/#18 USU(9-2) 1960
19) #22/#17 BYU(10-3) 1990
20) #22/#18 BYU(10-3) 1989

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Naval Vet

Good point, after all they did beat three ranked teams that year, and one is a bowl game. Then again in 84 BYU beat, um, em, never mind.

BYU's 1984 Season, is kind of like Bowling Green's this year. As long as you replace Florida St. in their bowl game with Minnesota. From a statistical and unbiased stand point; very similar and comporable.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Rockwell

You have Utah in 3 or your top 6; I'm proud of you!

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Spokane Ute

I've never seen any BYU fan try to claim that BYU 1984 faced the most difficult schedule on the planet, but BYU had no control over the how their schedule played out.

BYU started the season on the road against the then #3-ranked Pitt Panthers.

Along the way, BYU beat Air Force(8-4) on the road, a team that finished #24 in the final AP poll.

BYU ended the season playing the winningest college football team in history.

BYU's 1984 offense wasn't quite as explosive as some of the teams lead by Wilson, McMahon, and Young, but what BYU lacked in offensive explosiveness, they more than made up for in grit and determination and a never-say-die attitude and refusal to lose.

Three goal line stands - against Pittsburgh, Air Force, and Hawaii - highlighted BYU's defensive determination, and BYU's ability to mount a comeback against a very good Michigan defense, despite a rash of turnovers and several questionable calls, and with a quarterback that could barely stand for most of the 2nd half, earned the respect of the national panels of sportswriters and coaches who selected BYU as the consensus national champion for 1984.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Questionable calls in the BYU-Michigan game:

In the first quarter, the play was blown dead as BYU’s Leon White stripped Michigan’s running back and returned it for what would have been touchdown.

In the second quarter, referees ruled that a Michigan fumble recovered by Kyle Morrell was out of bounds. TV cameras clearly showed that the ball was still in bounds when it was recovered. Upset BYU players were flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct and Michigan went on to score a touchdown.

In the third quarter, Robbie Bosco threw a twenty-yard pass to David Mills that was ruled incomplete for touching the ground. However, replay clearly showed it was a catch. BYU was forced to attempt a long field goal which was then blocked.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Spokane Ute

Navel Vet "forgot" to mention that Utah didn't even win the 1994 WAC championship because the Utes LOST to New Mexico(5-7). It's funny how he always overlooks those little details.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@BlueCoug

I remember the season well; I was two years out of Bingham High. Re-read my posts. I stated that they had no control over their opponents record; or their bowl opponent; unfotunately. They also opened the following season by beating Washington; who was #2 in '84 I believe. I wonder how they would have fared against one of the top 5 teams? We will never know. It sure would be nice to see the programs get back on the National stage. The last two years just haven't been that impressive. Neither is ranked in the pre-season top 25 either. I wonder how long it's been since that happened?

Now I'm really done; you have a good one Guy; thanks for the back and forth. Take Care!

Rockwell, Naval & Wisconsin Coug have a good one too.

Later Gents!

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

Spokane Ute

Remind us again who Utah beat in 2004 to become the first "BCS buster":

Let me refresh your memory on the THREE teams with winning records that the Utes beat during the regular season that made Utah a "BCS worthy" team:

Texas A&M(7-5)
New Mexico(7-5)
Wyoming(7-5)

Texas A&M, btw, was CRUSHED by Tennessee 7-38 in the Cotton Bowl.

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