@KWL --"We need to accept that the problem is complex and that
one-size-fits-all answers are probably not out there."We
certainly agree about the complexity, at least. On the other hand,
there's a very obvious starting point. Getting rid of insidious and
pervasive homophobia won't solve the entire problem, and it won't be
easy to do -- but it's an incredibly important place to start.
@ AggieLove: What connections do you see between cell phones, facebook, and
suicide? (Especially given the fact that suicide was prevalent before cell
phone and facebook existed.)
Thanks, Plainbrownwrapper, you see the problem. The proper follow-up to a study
that showed a population at increased risk would be follow-up studies looking at
the cause of that risk. Instead, the data gets politicized and we fall back on
word-of-mouth stories. That's why we need more vigorous studies. We need to
accept that the problem is complex and that one-size-fits-all answers are
probably not out there.
@KWL --The 2011 study that you are probably referring to
doesn't actually say what you apparently think it does.1. -- it
studied only adult gays and lesbians already in registered partnerships -- not
youth.2. -- the data was gathered between 1990 and 2001 -- not
recently. This affects both the issue of homophobia AND the question of disease
(HIV), since much of the data was collected before effective HIV treatments.3. -- ONLY gay men had a higher suicide rate -- not lesbians.4. -- the suicide rate estimated for partnered gay men was higher than any gay
suicide rate found in *any* other study. Obviously, that brings the results
strongly into question.5. -- the study specifically states: "gay
men...experience considerable cultural antipathy toward same-sex marriage and
domestic partnerships....gay men also frequently experience anti-gay stigma and
consequent adversity in their daily lives, the presumed mechanism that leads to
the somewhat elevated risk for psychological morbidity that has been observed in
this population" and also: "it may be that some of the increase in
suicide risk results from gay men’s experiences with HIV disease either
personally or among their partners and friendship networks".
I've read about the high suicide rate among LGBT youth and adults.
I've also ready that their suicide and depression rates remain similar even
in countries like the Netherlands with extremely high levels of acceptance for
them. Unfortunately, suicide doesn't have a single, magic bullet to fix it.
Assuming all that's needed is a quick fix is part of the problem, not the
I met a guy who was was married with kids, do himself. He was a friend to my
son. It shook up my son bad, could not sleep at all for days could not stop
thinking about his friend. It's a mastery why, It's hard to
understand. But the effect ripples out a long ways.
@Austin Coug --"What really matters is that the director of this
new position understands the difference and focuses where the need is
greatest."Don't get me wrong. These efforts are great
things. But you'll never get rid of the state's suicide problem as
long as the people of Utah keep ignoring the institutionalized homophobia that
is so rampant there. Nope, of course that isn't the only cause of suicide
-- but it's an incredibly important one, especially for the young.I FIRMLY support the stance of the LDS leadership, with their clear and
repeated public statements that same-sex attraction is not a sin, that it is not
a choice, and that people with same-sex attraction can serve in the temple. I
think those are all **wonderful** steps, whatever one may believe about the
homosexual act itself. It is SOOO important to let gay people know that they are
not demonized and not worthless.Unfortunately, these words of
tolerance and acceptance haven't yet reached down into the population.
That's going to take a lot of work -- and as long as that need keeps
getting ignored, the work won't get done.
@Plainbrownwrapper,I don't think the author was attempting to
write an indepth analysis of the demographics of suicides. You will note that
the article also failed to mention the difference between the genders and age
groups where there is also a large disparity in suicides. It also didn't
call out that the Western US has a higher tendency for suicide. You are reading
way too much into what wasn't said. What really matters is that the
director of this new position understands the difference and focuses where the
need is greatest.
Nice to see a non-government non-profit with a great success record. Seems
government just hires more bureaucrats and runs radio ads.
@Aggielove --You know what else is shocking? According
to a US Government study, called Report of the Secretary's Task Force on
Youth Suicide, LGBT youth are roughly FOUR TIMES more likely to attempt suicide
than straight kids. Around 1/3 of ALL LGBT kids have attempted suicide at some
point, according to some studies.Yet DN articles like this one
don't even bother to mention that glaring fact.Suicide attempts
are especially likely in LGBT kids who have been rejected by their families, who
have been bullied, and who have experienced institutionalized homophobia. Of course, all of these problems are more likely to occur in
conservative states where a large percentage of the population considers
homosexuality to be sinful.
This is shocking. I would of never guessed that this number would be so high.I would like to help in this program. But first, I believe cell phones and
Facebook should be shut down. This is a major part of people's issues.
Think about it before slamming the idea