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Published: Thursday, June 13 2013 7:00 p.m. MDT

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SLars
Provo, UT

I don't put much faith in polls. On Harper polling website they brag about giving clients the strategic advantage they seek. Leading questions and such are used to get the response their clients want.

If the media told us everything in the bill, in an unbiased way, I doubt very few would support it. This bill is 14 times larger than the original Social Security act. It's to big, with hidden consequences.

I hope the house breaks it down, and passes border, e-verify and interior enforcement, with a way to force Obama to enforce it. Then two years later, pass the rest (with needed changes). People think that 13 years from now the problem will be gone, but will just get worse.

I don't support rewarding dishonesty especially on a massive scale, nor do I think we should flood the country with people here illegally, people deported in the past, returning for the free lunch, and millions of new visa workers, with over 20 million looking for full time jobs.

Senator Hatch, companies screaming for visa workers should be the least of your concerns. We graduate more STEM workers than new jobs each year.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The amnesty advocates trot out all kinds of "polls" to try to convince the uninformed that their position is correct.

To the uninformed, maybe they get somewhere.
To anyone who cares for the rule of law, or cares about their LEGAL neighbor getting a job- not so much.

The proposed amnesty bill will cost the American public 6 trillion dollars. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the proposed bill to help LEGAL Americans whatsoever.
Except illegal employers.

Anyone can get any answer they want from "polls", most people know this. Send me 10.00 and I'll do a "poll" and give you any answers you want.

Here's a thought: do your own "poll". Go to any website that allows comments and do your own tally of how many Americans are opposed to amnesty.

They usually run about 80% or more against amnesty. The amnesty advocates like to disguise their "polls" by using clever words like "reform" - don't be fooled. All they care about is amnesty and cheap labor.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Polls are very easy to manipulate, as proven by this one. Bait and switch tactics work every time.

They ask if people favor all sorts of things that conservatives WISH were in the bill, but are clearly NOT in the actual bill language.

It's as dishonest as asking people if they would like a college education to prepare them for a better job, and it only costs $100.00. Everyone would say yes. But they will know they have been lied to when they pay their $100.00 and receive a diploma in the mail from "Fly by Knight University and Diploma Mill."

The "Gang of 8 Bill" has none of the border strengthening and penalties or prohibitions that were promised, and Sen. Hatch got "stiffed" yesterday by Harry Reid when Republicans tried to get some promised features added.

This is a bad bill and must not be passed.

Tell us what it really is, a straight up amnesty bill for unregistered Democrats, and make Congress vote on the true contents, not a pack of lies claiming it is something else.

Better, break it into several small bills and pass the non-controversial parts separately.

NO AMNESTY!

A Man's Perspective
Salt Lake City, UT

"It's very important that we're able to keep these people that we've worked to get Ph.D., master's degrees and computer programming degrees," says Hatch.

The truth is, very few of the H-1B visas are used to bring in people with Ph.D. degrees. About 80% of H-1B visa workers are the lowest level in the application process, or are used by offshoring corporations. Many USA citizens with Masters degrees and Ph.D.degrees have become unemployed due to the visa being used by Corporate America as a means to lower wages, "dumb" down the tech industry, and replace American workers. (Don't misunderstand - I am NOT saying immigrant workers are "dumb" - it is just that many on this visa are entry-level type of workers, and the more experienced American workers get moved into unemployment. US workers with 10+ years of experience in STEM have high unemployment rates.)

I oppose increases in the H-1B visa, for these reasons. In the very least, this should be stripped out of the immigration bill, and put in its own bill for debate. Still, I would oppose a bill that proposes to increase the visas.

hubbardesquire
Alabaster, Alabama

What a bunch of lies these pollsters perpetuate on the unsuspecting populace. How can they know what the so-called immigration reform means when even the U. S. Senators and Representatives have no idea? Amnesty for illegals and no borders is what the people of Utah want? That's what the proponents of immigration reform want. Just ask Harry Reid, who is one such proponent for tearing down the borders and allowing foreign nationals to do as they please in this country. So, please spare me your so-called polls. They are nothing but America-hating propaganda.

Mr. Bean
Pheonix, AZ

"Majority of Utahns want immigration reform"

I doubt that. Only a certain ethnic group in Utah wants immigration reform. The rest would rather not have to learn another language to make it in this fair state.

Littlebit
Salt Lake City, UT

I believe the headline would be more accurate if it read "Majority of Utahns Want Immigration Enforcement". Why would we want to accept millions more people from foreign countries to compete with current legal US citizens for jobs? Why would we want to pay to educate their children, to subsidize their medical care, & to add them to welfare programs? I agree with the above comments that say that the so-called "polls" are skewed & misleading.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Immigration "reform". One big fight over a bill no one likes. Lets pick up the low hanging fruit.

The visa bill that Sen. Lee had and Sen. Hatch put in the the larger immigration bill. The I-Squared Act. Lets pull it back out and pass it separately.

We need to fix legal immigration. The best plan I have seen is to have a decent no quota but sponsored system of immigration with the ability later to become a citizen, Rep. Dougall's bill 2011 HB 469 in 2011 has the first part of that.

We need a simple E-Verify law for companies 15 or larger to protect against ID theft.

If the "big" US immigration bill passes it will just further divide us, just like the attempt to combine immigration bills in to one bill, 2011 HB 116 did. You get a bill that no one really likes. We need more consensus building and less compromise. If we focus on what we agree on, we can accomplish the most good.

Congress should run a bunch of small simple bills. Then we actually may get something that will help business, families, and our nation.

progressNconserve
Ogden, UT

This is clearly a "push poll," designed to get the "desired" answer.

The United States does not need "comprehensive immigration reform."
Instead, the United States needs comprehensive immigration enforcement.

Phone your Senators TODAY, and tell them what YOU want - as a LEGAL citizen.

van
Saratoga Springs, UT

The majority of Utahan's do want immigration reform. The Majority of talk show listeners Don't. The Anti-immigration reform voices only like polls when they favor their views. Senator Lee will find himself in the future as seen as the obstructionist that couldn't get anything done unless he got his way and his way only. He will soon be a republican has-been. The republicans that have tried to solve the immigration issue will be remembered favorably. The ones that don't will be left out of the game.
Republicans are realizing that the republican ship is sinking very fast and its not because of the republicans that want to solve the immigration problem.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back of the line. That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people. I am in favor of simplifying and fixing legal immigration.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't doubt that most Utahs want immigration reform. But, I also believe that most Utahns want reform that guarantees that we don't have a continuation of the same problems we have been experiencing. That means serious and immediate border control improvement, immediate enforcement of e-verify for employers, and a program that will not encourage more invasion of illegals.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

@ "a mans perspective" High-tech employers have taken a page from the "lower-tech employers", namely, its much cheaper to send a "donation" (bribe?)to their congressman than to actually pay the market wage.

All Congress needs to do is check the universities graduation majors, and the help wanted ads in various sources and they could tell their is no "shortage" of high-tech workers.

There's only a shortage of employers who will pay the prevailing wage. Why should they when Congress is ready and waiting to supply them with workers from India for one-third the going wage?

The latest amnesty bill is nothing more than a gift to unethical and (usually)illegal employers.

cns
St George, Utah

@watchman has it right. Senator Lee is right in that the questions asked in the poll do not reflect the bill before the US Senate. I am particularly concerned about border security. The Senate bill requires the Dept of Homeland Security to come up with a plan. This will be a promise that this and future administrations will do something in the future and that the current and future congresses will fund the promise. Everyone that has much faith that the promises will be kept please raise your hand. Humm - don't see many. By the way -- Sec Napolitano believes the border is secure now.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

If you read the article, they got the one thing that most everybody agrees with. Securing the boarders.

Who, outside of people wanting to bring people here illegally, does not want the boarders secured.

A follow up question that should be asked is, do you believe that the government will secure the boarders.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

Is this like "90% of Americans support gun control" polls we read about earlier this year?

And the Media take these polls at face value.

*chuckle*

Noah
So Ogden, Ut

As I research, Utah voters OPPOSE the Senate immigration bill. No polls show majority support for granting work permits & legal status to illegals BEFORE enforcement is in place. None. Zero. No one can find support for the legalization-before-enforcement sequence in S744. But S744 requires that as soon as the DHS submits two plans (1.meet border security goals 2.fencing recommendations) illegals receive legal status & work permits. The goals don't have to be reached. Legalization comes first. In every article I've read & polls I've researched the comments express the majority of Americans OPPOSE S744. Pro-amnesty advocates don't want you to know-Only 26% of likely Utah voters said they support giving work permits to illegal immigrants before enforcement. True reform should include: Mandatory E-Verify, enforce existing immigration laws; real border security with secure border fencing, end birthright citizenship for children born to parents who are not citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, & restructure the guest worker programs to end fraud and abuse! With over 10 million citizens of the USA unemployed & needing work, I'm amazed our government will allow over 33 million (over time) to come to America with no regard to our current economy.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN Subscriber 2

"They ask if people favor all sorts of things that conservatives WISH were in the bill, but are clearly NOT in the actual bill language."

I would point out that we saw this very clearly with the healthcare bill where almost every single provision in the bill (other than the mandate) was very popular even while a lot of people opposed it. Or for that matter the 90% supporting background checks on all gun purchases, despite only around 50% supporting strengthening gun laws (partly because 60% of people incorrectly believed we already required background checks on all gun purchases).

jaroot
Layton, UT

I don't know where these people get there poll data. I wasn't polled nor were anybody that I know. No Amnesty. Enforcement prior to any other issues regarding immigration.

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