I don't put much faith in polls. On Harper polling website they brag about
giving clients the strategic advantage they seek. Leading questions and such are
used to get the response their clients want. If the media told us
everything in the bill, in an unbiased way, I doubt very few would support it.
This bill is 14 times larger than the original Social Security act. It's to
big, with hidden consequences. I hope the house breaks it down, and
passes border, e-verify and interior enforcement, with a way to force Obama to
enforce it. Then two years later, pass the rest (with needed changes). People
think that 13 years from now the problem will be gone, but will just get
worse.I don't support rewarding dishonesty especially on a
massive scale, nor do I think we should flood the country with people here
illegally, people deported in the past, returning for the free lunch, and
millions of new visa workers, with over 20 million looking for full time
jobs.Senator Hatch, companies screaming for visa workers should be
the least of your concerns. We graduate more STEM workers than new jobs each
The amnesty advocates trot out all kinds of "polls" to try to convince
the uninformed that their position is correct.To the uninformed,
maybe they get somewhere.To anyone who cares for the rule of law, or cares
about their LEGAL neighbor getting a job- not so much.The proposed
amnesty bill will cost the American public 6 trillion dollars. There is
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the proposed bill to help LEGAL Americans whatsoever.Except illegal employers.Anyone can get any answer they want from
"polls", most people know this. Send me 10.00 and I'll do a
"poll" and give you any answers you want.Here's a
thought: do your own "poll". Go to any website that allows comments and
do your own tally of how many Americans are opposed to amnesty.They
usually run about 80% or more against amnesty. The amnesty advocates like to
disguise their "polls" by using clever words like "reform" -
don't be fooled. All they care about is amnesty and cheap labor.
Polls are very easy to manipulate, as proven by this one. Bait and switch
tactics work every time.They ask if people favor all sorts of things
that conservatives WISH were in the bill, but are clearly NOT in the actual bill
language.It's as dishonest as asking people if they would like
a college education to prepare them for a better job, and it only costs $100.00.
Everyone would say yes. But they will know they have been lied to when they pay
their $100.00 and receive a diploma in the mail from "Fly by Knight
University and Diploma Mill." The "Gang of 8 Bill" has
none of the border strengthening and penalties or prohibitions that were
promised, and Sen. Hatch got "stiffed" yesterday by Harry Reid when
Republicans tried to get some promised features added.This is a bad
bill and must not be passed.Tell us what it really is, a straight up
amnesty bill for unregistered Democrats, and make Congress vote on the true
contents, not a pack of lies claiming it is something else.Better,
break it into several small bills and pass the non-controversial parts
"It's very important that we're able to keep these people that
we've worked to get Ph.D., master's degrees and computer programming
degrees," says Hatch.The truth is, very few of the H-1B visas
are used to bring in people with Ph.D. degrees. About 80% of H-1B visa workers
are the lowest level in the application process, or are used by offshoring
corporations. Many USA citizens with Masters degrees and Ph.D.degrees have
become unemployed due to the visa being used by Corporate America as a means to
lower wages, "dumb" down the tech industry, and replace American
workers. (Don't misunderstand - I am NOT saying immigrant workers are
"dumb" - it is just that many on this visa are entry-level type of
workers, and the more experienced American workers get moved into unemployment.
US workers with 10+ years of experience in STEM have high unemployment
rates.)I oppose increases in the H-1B visa, for these reasons. In
the very least, this should be stripped out of the immigration bill, and put in
its own bill for debate. Still, I would oppose a bill that proposes to increase
What a bunch of lies these pollsters perpetuate on the unsuspecting populace.
How can they know what the so-called immigration reform means when even the U.
S. Senators and Representatives have no idea? Amnesty for illegals and no
borders is what the people of Utah want? That's what the proponents of
immigration reform want. Just ask Harry Reid, who is one such proponent for
tearing down the borders and allowing foreign nationals to do as they please in
this country. So, please spare me your so-called polls. They are nothing but
"Majority of Utahns want immigration reform"I doubt that.
Only a certain ethnic group in Utah wants immigration reform. The rest would
rather not have to learn another language to make it in this fair state.
I believe the headline would be more accurate if it read "Majority of Utahns
Want Immigration Enforcement". Why would we want to accept millions more
people from foreign countries to compete with current legal US citizens for
jobs? Why would we want to pay to educate their children, to subsidize their
medical care, & to add them to welfare programs? I agree with the above
comments that say that the so-called "polls" are skewed &
Immigration "reform". One big fight over a bill no one likes. Lets pick
up the low hanging fruit.The visa bill that Sen. Lee had and Sen.
Hatch put in the the larger immigration bill. The I-Squared Act. Lets pull it
back out and pass it separately.We need to fix legal immigration.
The best plan I have seen is to have a decent no quota but sponsored system of
immigration with the ability later to become a citizen, Rep. Dougall's bill
2011 HB 469 in 2011 has the first part of that.We need a simple
E-Verify law for companies 15 or larger to protect against ID theft.If the "big" US immigration bill passes it will just further divide
us, just like the attempt to combine immigration bills in to one bill, 2011 HB
116 did. You get a bill that no one really likes. We need more consensus
building and less compromise. If we focus on what we agree on, we can accomplish
the most good.Congress should run a bunch of small simple bills.
Then we actually may get something that will help business, families, and our
This is clearly a "push poll," designed to get the "desired"
answer.The United States does not need "comprehensive
immigration reform." Instead, the United States needs comprehensive
immigration enforcement.Phone your Senators TODAY, and tell them
what YOU want - as a LEGAL citizen.
The majority of Utahan's do want immigration reform. The Majority of talk
show listeners Don't. The Anti-immigration reform voices only like polls
when they favor their views. Senator Lee will find himself in the future as
seen as the obstructionist that couldn't get anything done unless he got
his way and his way only. He will soon be a republican has-been. The
republicans that have tried to solve the immigration issue will be remembered
favorably. The ones that don't will be left out of the game.
Republicans are realizing that the republican ship is sinking very fast and its
not because of the republicans that want to solve the immigration problem.
If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you
can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back
of the line. That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people. I
am in favor of simplifying and fixing legal immigration.
I don't doubt that most Utahs want immigration reform. But, I also believe
that most Utahns want reform that guarantees that we don't have a
continuation of the same problems we have been experiencing. That means serious
and immediate border control improvement, immediate enforcement of e-verify for
employers, and a program that will not encourage more invasion of illegals.
@ "a mans perspective" High-tech employers have taken a page from the
"lower-tech employers", namely, its much cheaper to send a
"donation" (bribe?)to their congressman than to actually pay the market
wage.All Congress needs to do is check the universities graduation
majors, and the help wanted ads in various sources and they could tell their is
no "shortage" of high-tech workers.There's only a
shortage of employers who will pay the prevailing wage. Why should they when
Congress is ready and waiting to supply them with workers from India for
one-third the going wage?The latest amnesty bill is nothing more
than a gift to unethical and (usually)illegal employers.
@watchman has it right. Senator Lee is right in that the questions asked in the
poll do not reflect the bill before the US Senate. I am particularly concerned
about border security. The Senate bill requires the Dept of Homeland Security
to come up with a plan. This will be a promise that this and future
administrations will do something in the future and that the current and future
congresses will fund the promise. Everyone that has much faith that the
promises will be kept please raise your hand. Humm - don't see many. By
the way -- Sec Napolitano believes the border is secure now.
If you read the article, they got the one thing that most everybody agrees with.
Securing the boarders.Who, outside of people wanting to bring
people here illegally, does not want the boarders secured.A follow
up question that should be asked is, do you believe that the government will
secure the boarders.
Is this like "90% of Americans support gun control" polls we read about
earlier this year?And the Media take these polls at face value.*chuckle*
As I research, Utah voters OPPOSE the Senate immigration bill. No polls show
majority support for granting work permits & legal status to illegals BEFORE
enforcement is in place. None. Zero. No one can find support for the
legalization-before-enforcement sequence in S744. But S744 requires that as soon
as the DHS submits two plans (1.meet border security goals 2.fencing
recommendations) illegals receive legal status & work permits. The goals
don't have to be reached. Legalization comes first. In every article
I've read & polls I've researched the comments express the
majority of Americans OPPOSE S744. Pro-amnesty advocates don't want you to
know-Only 26% of likely Utah voters said they support giving work permits to
illegal immigrants before enforcement. True reform should include: Mandatory
E-Verify, enforce existing immigration laws; real border security with secure
border fencing, end birthright citizenship for children born to parents who are
not citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, & restructure the guest worker
programs to end fraud and abuse! With over 10 million citizens of the USA
unemployed & needing work, I'm amazed our government will allow over 33
million (over time) to come to America with no regard to our current economy.
@DN Subscriber 2"They ask if people favor all sorts of things
that conservatives WISH were in the bill, but are clearly NOT in the actual bill
language."I would point out that we saw this very clearly with
the healthcare bill where almost every single provision in the bill (other than
the mandate) was very popular even while a lot of people opposed it. Or for that
matter the 90% supporting background checks on all gun purchases, despite only
around 50% supporting strengthening gun laws (partly because 60% of people
incorrectly believed we already required background checks on all gun
I don't know where these people get there poll data. I wasn't polled
nor were anybody that I know. No Amnesty. Enforcement prior to any other issues