If the U.S. Federal government walked into everyone's home and copied all
the data from their digital devices, people would be screaming it was a
violation of their freedoms.However, because the government has done
it online, many of those same people seem to think it's "okay" for
them to do it.To me, there is no difference and it violates our
rights as U.S. citizens.
Polls may not lie, but liars do polls.You can get most people to
agree almost anything by phrasing your poll question in such a manner that they
have no choice but to agree, for example."Do you think it's
okay for the federal government to capture all online data if it prevents a
terrorist attack?Few amongst us would disagree with a question
phrased such a manner.Government (at all levels) has learned to
manipulate us by using "scare tactics." Why? Because they know it's
a great way to get us to agree to whatever they want. After all, "You
wouldn't want another 9/11, Boston bombing, Denver Theater attack or Sandy
Hook school shooting would you?"The government failed miserably
at preventing 9/11 and the Boston bombing, even though they had all the
information they needed to do just exactly that. The idea that they some how
need even more data and information is ludicrous and an erosion of our rights to
be secure in our "persons, homes and effects."
So.... let's investigate some assumptions. Assume that the NSA program has
prevented terrorists attacks. Apparently they have. I know that we've
heard of them catching bad guys in the last several years. How did they catch
them? They didn't just send the FBI a letter stating their intentions and
current and future locations. Sounds like this is a pretty good assumption. I
will change it to a reasonable fact. Reasonable Fact: the programs everyone is
mad about has stopped terrorist attacks. Assumption #2: Those
terrorist attacks would have killed lots of people. Oops, terrorists want to
kill lots of people. Had they not been caught, they would have. How are these
protestors thinking they would feel if their mom is one of the ones who was
saved? Or their friend? Or their favorite musician or even themselves? To me, it sounds like their are some reasonable restrictions to how they
use and when they can access the data. I'm for them. Keep it up guys! We
certainly appreciate your protections.
It makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE what the "polls" say. The 4th
amendment is non-negotiable.The only question is whether the sheeple
have been dumbed down enough by its "leaders" (ha ha)that they will
accept placidly an abridgment of their 4th amendment constitutional rights.
They need to repeal the Patriot Act and the FISA over-reach that was put into
place between 2003-2006 as well as the SWIFT system from 2006. The fact that
none of this is illegal is the real problem.
If the NSA reads my email, no big deal. I have nothing to hide. I would say,
who cares it does not affect me?But, if the NSA reads emails of
people in high places, people that may have things in their past that they want
to keep out of public scrutiny, then the NSA is in a position to blackmail and
control policy if they find these secrets. An article from another source poses
the question, Could Justice Roberts flip-flop position on obamacare have been
due to extortion by the NSA? The article makes some very good arguments for the
case.So now, if I am stuck with obamacare because of NSA snooping
and misuse of power, I care, this does affect me. There are too many people in
our government making decisions as if they are playing the game RISK and the
ultimate goal is to rule the world. The country is financially broke, deal with
that problem and eliminate all these costly cloak and dagger operations. Who brought to light the secret affair of David Petraeus? Don't
want him to testify about Benghazi, spill the dirt, make him resign. Makes you
Those who still think this is about "national security" are incredibly
naive. There is no "peace thru surveillance". It didn't stop Boston
or Benghazi or Ft Hood. This is about gaining and retaining political power by
an out of control administration. Period. It is a clear violation of the 4th
amendment. I was against the Patriot Act because the temptation for misuse of
power by any administration would be too much to resist. It doesn't matter
if you trust the guy in charge or not, it is always the next guy or the next
that you have to worry about. America is supposed to be a place where the
privacy of it's citizens are protected. We expect our gov't to respect
and honor that right and not be trolling through our e-mails and listening to
our phone calls.
Wow. 27 protesters... Hmmm....
The government made a huge deal over Apple computer collecting location data
from iPhones as a terrible intrusion of privacy. Now the government says all
they want to collect all of your metadata and it's NOT a problem.What people don't realize is what information can actually be gleaned
from telephone Metadate. I can determine when you go to work in the morning what
time you go to bed at night whether you go to bed earlier than your wife or
later than your wife. I can determine what freeways you travel on and what time
you travel on them. I can determine what doctor you go to when and what type of
doctor it is. After I collected all this data I can predict your next move more
accurately than the weatherman can predict the weather. The problem with this is
it is all circumstantial information and can be used to build a case against
someone who is innocent. You make regular trips to the corner market to pick up
groceries, but it also happens to be the hangout of a drug dealer. Are you
buying groceries or drugs?
@ Hamath, You need to look at the history of thwarted terrorist plots. The
majority have been made by sting operations. In other words the government
created an atmosphere of enticement and got someone to plot a bombing. Not by
monitoring phone data. Unless your constitutionalist tea party member and then
we really want to know about you courtesy of the IRS.
Obama in 2007"“This Administration also puts forward a
false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand…
That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national
security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more
tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more
ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not
what is necessary to defeat the terrorists… We will again set an example
for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and
that justice is not arbitrary.”Obama in 2013“I think it’s important to understand that you can’t have
100 percent security and then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience.
We’re going to have to make some choices as a society.”What in the heck happened?
The NSA is doing a necessary job in order to protect Americans worldwide. The
agency is monitoring and gaining intellegence from the internet as well as phone
communications. That intellegence has lead to the death of Bin laden as well as
many other terrorists. Not all terrorists have been found in time, but a huge
majority have been.Satellite and cell communications are easy to tap
into. And almost all communications go through these systems. Our personal
privacy is OUR reponsibility. Why have a Facebook page or Twitter and demand
privacy? Why drive through the city talking on the cell phone and demand
privacy?The NSA is doing an outstanding and responsible job of
protecting us. If you want privacy, then create it! Get off the internet.
Ditch the cell phone.I may be an old fogey, but I still have common
This data gathering has been going on since governments have organized in every
country around the world....like from the beginning of time.If you
speak on a phone, use the internet or even gossip, especially in public your
transmissions are out there for the world to see, get over it, there is no such
thing as privacy in our world. Just becareful of what you say and
how you say it and to whom you say it.Your government is trying to protect
it's self and it's citizens and so is every other country.
@justamacguyThe majority might have been by sting operations. What
does that matter? If several have been caught... I heard 13 or 14 in the last
few years, because of these programs.... Case in point, the Boston bombing
suspects capture, prevented a New York incident (that was their next target).
They used these records to nail those guys. So there are lots of people alive
in New York because of it. If they didn't have access to those records in
a timely manner, it could have taken a lot longer. And they were ready and
planning to go to New York soon.
To "JimInSLC" but it does matter. Right now, they may not be after you,
so your data is just sitting there. However, if you became an enemy of a
politician, they now have access to all sorts of information that can be
manipulated to make you look like a corrupt person who has to be jailed or
discredited.To "Anti Bush-Obama" you ask what has changed.
Here it is. Obama made it legal to wiretap all US citizens without a warrant.