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Published: Wednesday, June 12 2013 4:45 p.m. MDT

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JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

Actually, this is a slap at BYU from Welker. Very unfortunate. How could the NCAA sanction TT? I guess that in a world where a school was sanctioned for allowing a female athlete to "wash her car" on campus puts everything in play.

bdckpakccd
Plano, TX

It isn't ridiculous to punish a program for the actions of a booster. PLEASE think back to the "glory" days of SMU. They were a very small school that had the best team money could buy. The program USED the boosters intentionally to provide cars, cushy jobs, parties, and countless other "enticements" to go to SMU. How did it get started? I'm sure it was just "harmless" conversations to "encourage" recruits. The NCAA rules are the reaction to years and years of cheating----universities MUST rein in their boosters or be subject to penalty. This is a fact of life for all NCAA-sanctioned programs and Texas Tech is no exception.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

CO Ute:
"Yes, cougsanddawgs, he is a star. 10 years in the league, 5 times with more than 100 catches, 18 games with 10 or more catches, a very talented punt returner, and a salary over $9MM a year. If Collie put up the same numbers you would have him in the Hall of Fame".

I realize you are probably a Bronco fan and want to give Welker as much praise as you can, but he is a system WR that put up a lot of numbers having one of the best QBs in history throwing to him. He will probably be successful with Peyton Manning for the same reason. I can't imagine someone asking "who are the star receivers in the NFL" and Welkers name being widely brought up, unless you're talking fantasy league where numbers are all that matter. Without Tom Brady, Welker would be a returner and 4/5 WR. And no, I wouldn't have Collie in the Hall of Fame because I realize a lot of his success was due to Manning...but nice to know that you know my opinions and thoughts on the matter.

thebigsamoan
Richmond, VA

@CO Ute,

How do you know Collie wouldn't have had the same success (or better) and put up the same numbers if he wasn't hurt, have ten years in the league, and have a quarterback that throws to him for as many times as Welker had? You can't honestly sit there and ridiculed the kid for not having the same opportunity, can you? I think Collie is just as talented, and given the same opportunity without the unfortunate injuries he had, he would've excelled or may have even done better. Cut the kid some slacks dude! Don't just hate on him just because he went to BYU.

Go Cougs! And good luck to the Utes too!

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Great athletes almost always find their way to top (i.e. Fischer, Central Michigan, #1 NFL pick). Kurtz ability to play in the NFL will be based on 1.) his ability, 2.) the system (does he get enough opportunities to shine), and 3.) exposure.

We know enough about Anae, to know that the WR will have plenty of opportunities. We know less about Kingsbury and what type of offense he'll run.

We know BYU is getting plenty of exposure with their new deal with ESPN, much more than TT.

I'm betting BYU will have more WR drafted in the NFL next year than TT.

As a Texan, I can also tell you, I'd much rather live in Provo than Lubbick.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

CO ute:
Btw the point is what Texas Tech can do for Kurtz' career. Wes Welker was undrafted, and the only decent WR drafted from TT the last couple decades is Crabtree. So the point is Welker is making a weak argument about BYU when TT isn't a shining example of how to get receivers into the NFL. Welkers comment was dumb to begin with, but when analyzed and put into perspective regarding TT's history of NFL receivers it's just ridiculous.

UU32
Bountiful, UT

I could go on Twitter right now and find 1000 BYU violations of a similar kind. Maybe not high profile guys like Welker, but there are boosters who use Twitter to reach out to players and "persuade" them all the time. Anyone remember Chicago to Provo? How about the "we've got everything we need in this town but Parker Style." Go on any big recruit's twitter feed and you'll see thousands of violations likes this. It doesn't make what Welker did right at all, but how does the NCAA plan to police all of the illegal activity on Twitter?

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Welker's comments...phooey. As for the Y and their receivers, his comments are not completely unfounded. Collie is a good slot receiver but unfortunatley his health will likely force him to retirment, thus there will not be any Y receivers (more than likely) in the NFL. Pitta is awesome, love watching him play, but he is a TE and not a WR, thus Welker's comments gain more traction. As for predicting that Hoffman is a 1st or 2nd round receiver, that is a very bold statement at this time. Let's see how he fares this year before making that prediction. He is a skilled WR with great hands and speed, but unfortunately scouts look at big programs first and since the Y will be playing some big programs this year, his exposure will be greater and then a good measuring stick will help determine his NFL future.

Go UTES!!

SportsFan
Orem, UT

UU32

"I could go on Twitter right now and find 1000 BYU violations of a similar kind. Maybe not high profile guys like Welker, but there are boosters who use Twitter to reach out to players and "persuade" them all the time. Anyone remember Chicago to Provo? How about the 'we've got everything we need in this town but Parker Style.'"

Nice try, but you obviously don't understand the NCAA rules regarding boosters contacting recruits. The "Chicago to Provo" campaign was carefully examined by BYU's compliance office to ensure that it did not break ANY NCAA recruiting rules.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Wookie:
I agree with most of what you said, but the Hoffman draft predictions are from Kiper and McShay who have him projected in the 2nd round. Also if you look at Hoffmans stats his best games have come against the better teams on BYUs schedule...he's torched the utes twice. I mean the fact he had 100 receptions and over 1200 yards with Riley Nelson at QB should be telling enough lol.

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

I drove through Lubbock once. Longest week of my life.

Cougar Passion
Salt Lake City, UT

My understanding of how recruiting violations are determined is the type of person (if money is not involved) doing the "recruiting". So, a faceless/nameless person such as myself could try to get someone to go to BYU, as could thousands of other generic fans, without incurring the wrath of the NCAA. But a former player with a recognizable profile, or another person of similar influence, would run afoul of the NCAA for the same attempts at persuasion. That said, BYU has indeed said people need to be careful about what they say on social networking sites to potential recruits, to be on the safe side.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Cougsndawgs

Lol, and I agree completely. Who knows what his stats would have looked like had he had a true Y QB that can throw the ball out of the stadium. As for experts, well they didn't have Ziggy even listed this early last year and Star was their number 1 and look how that turned out. A lot can happen between now and then is all I am saying.

Thanks

Go UTES!

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

I'd have to agree with Welker. I can think up several reasons. There are worse schools to go to than BYU, but if you have the option of going and playing for a successful team with a heisman trophy quarterback on the roster or the option to play for a mediocre team struggling to find an identity that hasn't been able to put a quarterback on the field for 3+ years which one would you choose especially if going pro is your priority. It's a no brainer. This kid should go to Texas Tech barring one variable--he won't play.

Herbert Gravy
Salinas, CA

Lubbock, Texas is, after all, the hometown of the great Buddy Holly!

Herbert Gravy
Salinas, CA

Are there no BYU alums on the Denver Broncos that could "educate" Mr. Welker?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@I-am-I
" There are worse schools to go to than BYU, but if you have the option of going and playing for a successful team with a heisman trophy quarterback on the roster"

You're thinking of Texas A&M not Texas Tech.

u25
West Jordan, UT

All the y fans that jumped on the Welker and Kurtz twitter feed, and bashed Welker and and tried to convince Kurtz that provo was the place for him. Broke the same rules as Welker and could put the y under ncaa investigation. Being most of the fans are considered boosters.

sportyguy
sandy, UT

The other issue is that a lot of the people who jumped on Welker's case are also considered donors and any of the tweet's encouraging that he come to BYU are also violations.

UU32
Bountiful, UT

SportsFan - Try again. Go read up on the rules and trust something other than Cougarboard for your information. The Chicago to Provo campaign broke all kinds of rules and BYU had to register it as a minor infraction. BYU also asked Ryan Shupe (sp?) to take down his song about Jabari because it was a violation. The funny thing about all the "good intentions" of those campaigns was that in the end Jabari himself thought it was "too much" and it actually pushed him further from BYU rather than closer. Fans / Boosters need to leave the recruiting up to the coaches.

U25 - exactly right. More infractions followed the Welker comments than the Welker comment itself.

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