An imperfect but meaningful way to compare recruiting classes is to compare the
interest an athlete generates by multiple schools. In this regard, the U far
outclasses BYU. Go to Rivals or Sport recruiting services and go to the
Commitment section. Click on BYU or Utah and go to their 2013 class. Click on
the name of the athlete and then click on 'List' below the name. If
no 'List' is present it likely means no additional scholarship offers
were made to the athlete. A few of BYU's athletes committed very early.
But I found it difficult to excuse the general lack of interest in its recruits
by other schools because of this alone. USU and BYU are very similar in their
athletes Rival ratings and the number of athletes generating additional outside
interest. The U has far more athletes with multiple scholarship offers, many
from "BCS" conference schools, who chose the U. Sadly, for my USU
Aggies, neither they or BYU can say the same. The U stealing from or using BYU
as a recruiter is nonsense.
I've watching & laughing for years!
Greater than 50% of the comments on this BYU article about a recruit are from
Ute Trolls. Sadly about 20% of the comments about a similar article for a Ute
recruit are from BYU trolls.So, you tell me. Which fan base has a
greater inferiority complex?
AZUTE1LOL! Yes, the inner workings of a byu fan are truly mind-boggling.
I like your suggestion of popcorn and a Lazyboy because it is indeed a
remarkable show to watch!
@eddieWhat's it like to get beat up by your "little
brother" year, after year, after year?It's gotta hurt
MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UT"Cougar PassionI'm going to ask you one more time, where do you people come up with this
stuff?"It's utterly mind-boggling, isn't it? And the
truly surreal thing about it all, is these people literally believe what they
say.Illicit drug-users, unfortunately, do their thing and
what's most often stated by them is the fact that they view it as an
"escape" from reality. This is how it is for those of us who actually
live in reality when we venture over to "experience" life in The Bubble,
otherwise known as utah county. It's equally an "escape" from
reality and an entry into the most priceless form of fantasy known to mankind.
Unequivocally entertaining, don't you think? LOLThey'll
never, ever acknowledge byu's utter futility in recruiting, where only
extremely rare exceptions occur, so I recommend you just simply grab some
popcorn, kick-back in your Lazyboy, and enjoy the show! LOL
Cougar FranticEmotion:"...it does seem that Utah usually offers
after BYU does...I think there is a fair amount of credence to the view that
Utah coaches trust their BYU counterparts' judgment on players, and
therefore figure the players BYU coaches offer must be worthy of an offer from
them as well."Don't you think this has more to do with
mendenmidmajor preferring to hold firesales on scholarships during the summer
months, whereas Whittingham (and his staff) prefer to do a bit more scouting
before offering? You guys target the 2-star crowd, so in order to get a 3- or
4- star kid, you HAVE to go early in the process. WE can be more selective, and
take our time in choosing the right athletes for Utah.Just because
you offered "first" doesn't mean we hadn't heard of the kid
beforehand. Don't forget...Utah has its summer training camps too. Fonua
hadn't gone to Utah's camp yet. And he doesn't have an offer
yet. Coincidence?Not likely.
Cougar PassionFirst: Thank you very much for being so nice and not
excoriating me in front of everyone on this board. It really means a bunch,
I'm so grateful. Based on recruiting information on Rivals:
Utah has six commits so far; four of whom are from Utah and should
be well known to byu. Of the six, not one was offered by byu (byu showed
interest in Amone Finau but did not offer). I suppose you would have this board
believe that the "lazy" Utah coaches received a scouting report from
Mendenhall and his permission to extend these offers??Similarly, byu
has seven commits so far; two of whom are from Utah and should be well known to
the Utes. Of the seven, only one (Fred Warner) was offered by Utah (Utah showed
interest in Isaiiah Nacua but did not offer). Given the "consistency of
evidence" you cite, it seems reasonable to suggest that an offer from Utah
is immanent for the remaining six of byu's seven recruits?? I'm going to ask you one more time, where do you people come up with this
@MyPerspective:I will try to be as nice to you as I was regarding the Utah
coaches. What you will often hear--and the way I did *not* put it--if you read
enough of the comments about recruiting, is that the Utah coaches are
"lazy" with regard to their recruiting efforts due to how often we see
them offering a player right after BYU does. So, I could excoriate you for
trying to create something that isn't there; no, the entire Pac-12
doesn't do the same thing Utah does. And "how we come up with this
stuff" is due to the consistency of evidence. It is no secret whatsoever
that BYU really has to do their homework on kids, even to an extent with the LDS
ones, before they offer them. And, given that Utah doesn't get the kids
USC or Oregon does, it makes sense that if they see BYU vet a player enough to
offer him, then it's an easy decision for Utah to offer him as well--and
that's exactly what they do, with a frequency that is far too predictable
to be coincidence.
Cougar PassionSo, what you are saying is that Utah coaches let byu coaches
to the scouting for them. Why stop with Utah? Why don't you just say the
entire Pac-12 let's byu find the player and then swoop in lure them away??
How in the world do you people come up with this stuff?
@ Spokane Ute...Yes you read that correctly....congratulations !But you just proved my point! That is why u came on to your "Big
Brothers" article! And why u don't troll on any Oregon articles!
@ Eddie"their Big Brother"? Oregon hasn't offered the
kid a scholarship yet.
@BYUSU: That's the vibe I got too. If he really wanted to go to BYU, he
would have committed already. I would frankly think about rescinding the offer
if I were the Cougar coaches, knowing the difficulty of being both a student and
player for BYU without a very serious commitment to being there. And, not to
upset our Utah friends, but it does seem that Utah usually offers after BYU
does--both in- and out-of-state, and with non-LDS kids that BYU offers as well.
I'm sure that's not *always* the case, but I think there is a fair
amount of credence to the view that Utah coaches trust their BYU
counterparts' judgment on players (to be nice about it), and therefore
figure the players BYU coaches offer must be worthy of an offer from them as
"Trust the coaches..." Hmmm. That's a problem. Respect the coaches
-- yes. Trust? Be careful of any coach that you understand their dynamics, what
they have to work with besides you, what all the rules are. Remember, just
because you have a National Letter of Intent doesn't mean you'll get a
scholarship and it doesn't mean you'll play. Maybe the coach who
offered you means what he says, he's not the last word. He's likely
not the head coach so things can change. And... head coaches get fired as do
assistants and when they leave so does their word. Trust? Be careful.
The way it sounds as soon as Utah offers he will accept. Hope I'm wrong he
would look better in blue.
A "weakend" at Utah's supposedly "elite" camp, eh?If he wants to play in a bowl game, he'll pick BYU.If he
wants to spend bowl week watching from the comfort of his couch, he'll pick
He is at Utahs elite camp this weakend, so if they offer him it has nothing to
do with a y offer.
It just stands to reason that utah would offer him! They would just be following
in the steps of their Big Brother. And we all know how much they love to follow
their Big Brother. They just can't seem to do it though.To do
so completly they will have to get a Rugby team, Volleyball team and then
compete in all the other sports as well.
co ute,yeah it must be a slow news day. Can't wait for the season to
Wow an entire article because BYU made him an offer? Let's see if Utah
does the same, then what other schools show interest and finally which school he
Sounds like a pretty good prospect. His Grandpa Norm Kane played volleyball for
BYU. Maybe he can exercise some influence on his grandson.
Scout rates him 3-stars.Utah, Utah State and Washington are also
Sounds like a great kid and great athlete. He will look good in blue.