I don't hate Jimmer, either. But I could tell he didn't have what it
takes to make it in the NBA, and so far my prognostication has been spot on.The unfortunate thing is when Jimmer's die-hard fans continue to
make poor excuses for his below-mediocre performance in the NBA.Blame it on the coach, blame it on the team dynamic, blame it on the refs...
whatever. Truly talented basketball players take responsibility for their own
performance and don't blame it on everyone else.Jimmer is not
one of those true talents. Period.
Leonard was picked by a goodteam that let him shine by giving him the
opportunity, Fredette was picked by a looser. The coach was a looser. Given
the right team Fredette could also shine. To bad he has to be the token.
Jimmer’s PER of 14.66 compares favorably with other role players in the
NBA. Out of 344 players that quality (have 6.7 min/game or more), Jimmer ranks
154th, right in the middle (and 37th of 82 point guards). And that is on a
“me first” team. That ranking is better than Danny Green, Jordan
Crawford, Andrew Bogut, Jared Sullinger, Mike Miller, Jason Kidd, Tony Allen,
Ben Gordon, Brandon Knight, Alec Burks, Lamar Odom… Also, this last
season Jimmer’s three point percentage of .417 ranked 17th in the NBA, not
too shabby. While I doubt that he will ever become an all-star, I still believe
that Jimmer will have a long and productive NBA career as a role player.
Re: Chris B and SoonerUte“A good shooter can overcome MWC
teams most nights. You need to be an "athlete" to succeed in the
NBA” “The delay of putting the ball on the floor
wasn't a factor in mid-major ball, but its hurting him in the
NBA.”Jimmer played well against the best teams he faced. Here
are a few statistics to back that up. vs. USU: 26 pointsvs.
St. Mary’s 24/4 assistsvs. Arizona: 49/7/9; 33, 9 reboundsvs.
UCLA: 25 vs. UNLV: 39/6/5; 29, 7 assistsvs. Utah: 47/6; 23/5vs. #4 SDSU: 43 points; 25/9; 30, 6 reboundsvs. New Mexico: 32/7;
33/5/6, 52 vs. Wofford (NCAA tourney): 32 and 7vs. Gonzaga (NCAA 2nd
round): 34 and 6vs. Florida (sweet 16): 32 and 5; (NCAA 1st round 2010: 37
points)vs. KSU (2nd round 2010): 21 and 5Remember that in
college he was almost always double and triple teamed, yet he still unleashed 49
on Arizona, 47 on Utah, 52 on New Mexico, and 32 and 37 on Florida.
Spokane ute:I won't argue with your opinion, but I think Jimmer is a
better shooter and player than Adam Morrison. Yes, he doesn't play great
defense, but again, there are many players who have thrived in key roles in the
NBA without being great defenders (Dirk Nawinski). Wookie: I am also
a lifelong Niner fan, but will be cheering on Alex Smith. He was dealt kind of a
dirty hand in Fisco (name me the last QB who was #1 in the league in pass
efficiency that lost his job). However, Kap is just ridiculously good, so I
understand why harbaugh did it. Alex was always class, despite how poorly some
fans treated him. I hope he tears the AFC apart to prove all his critics wrong.
PoymanThe Utes have twice as many players on an NBA roster as the
cougs. Andrew Bogut and Andre Miller were important contributors on playoff
teams.Just Say'nJimmer is a nice kid
@ Wookie: I was going to write that same thing down myself. Some Utah fans
bash Jimmer the same way some byu fans bashed Smith. The problem is, if his
situation changes and he thrives under a new environment, people like Chris B
will never give him his due just like byu people like ducky will never give Alex
his due, not because it is not deserved, but only because of their hatred for
the other program. When Jimmer played in college, I couldn't stand
him....because he beat the heck out of us. But that has nothing to do with the
kid as an individual.I wish only the best for Jimmer. I hope he can
endure through the hard times and come out prepared to make his mark when the
cloud lifts, just like Alex has done.Go Utes!
Spokane UteGood points. I find myself cheering for KC this year and
I've been a lifelong 9er fan.GO UTES!!
Wookie,Personally, I don't hate Jimmer, he's just not
making it in the NBA. As far as comparing him to what Alex Smith did? It's
possible, but two different players, in two differn't sports. Smith
doesn't have to play defense. A new team might help, but the Kings are the
worst team in the NBA. I think Adam Morrison is a better comparison. JMO Time will tell Guy! Have a good one; and yes; GO UTES!
Spokane Ute:Agreed, but how many Y fans who hated Alex constantly
said he had no game to which he has proven otherwise? Can one not make the same
argument for Jimmer? I think its a viable argument.GO UTES!!
@WookieBig difference between hating and giving an honest opinion.
Certain players have a game fit for the NBA, certain players do not. A change of
scenery may help, then again it didn't help Adam Morrison. A player has to
be complete to make it in the NBA.
I'll never understand anyone who puts down Jimmer (not talking about the
article). He is a great young man and an awesome player. I'm a BYU fan and
I feel the same way about Ute grad Alex Smith and other athletes in red. Great
people shouldn't be ragged on.
" ....Leonard is a good athlete.Jimmer is not .... "Jimmer was consensus Player of The Year - Leonard was not.
Jimmer reminds me a lot of Alex Smith and his story to some extent. Bad team,
bad coaches. Change of coaches and he thrives. I hope this to be the case for
Jimmer too. Too bad all the haters, from both the U and the Y focus on their
hatred rather than on relavant facts. Jimmer has game, he will be solid if
given a chance, just like Alex, once given a good environment, has thrived. GO UTES!!
No more pathetic excuses and no more pathetic judgments of Jimmer and his NBA
skills and his current situation. Sacramento will be better under new ownership
and coaches so that will change in a short amount of time. Jimmer needs to work
on his game so that he is ready when he comes of the bench. He is not and will
never been in Coach Rose's system in the NBA so he needs to learn to
adjust. For all the haters, leave it be, he is better than you are and will
make it in the NBA even it just a role player used to stretch defenses and shoot
a game winning shot. He is an NBA quality shooter.
It doesn't matter where Jimmer goes, he can't play defense. Reminds me
of Adam Morrison of Gonzaga.
Jimmer doesn't fit Sacramento. The Kings need to trade him and allow him to
flourish elsewhere on a team and system that fits him. Jimmer is a system type
player and needs a coach and system that allow him to play off the bench at the
2 guard and give him the freedom to shoot. Lots of other players have floundered
in the NBA until they found their right fit on a team and system that makes
sense. The Kings won't get much for Jimmer but they didn't pay much
for him either so it's 50/50.
How's the hype treatingyou jimmy?Love the picture, PRICELESS!!!
Jimmer could be a good player on a team that needs a good outside shooter!
So let's see if I understand:The guy the Spurs assign to guard
the MVP in the NBA FinalsCouldn't stop Jimmer in collegeBut
Jimmer doesn't have the "talent" to make it in the NBA?Maybe someone should rethink that thinking.
Confusion reigned at that draft, the fact that Leonard could drop to the Spurs
while the hype around Jimmer was huge and overblown.
He could be awesome if only the coach would let him be.
The NBA draft has placed Jimmer with a team that is lost--without leadership. He
also has a limited skill set and it is not able to flourish within the Kings
organization. Yes, I believe he could be used as a role player on many NBA
teams. When his contract is up he may get a second chance, and it should be more
important than the money, that he choose a team that is a good fit to signs
with. On the other hand, there is no shame in not making it in the
NBA, after all it is the highest degree of basketball played on the planet.
Jimmer would not be the first college all star not to pan out in the NBA.
Ever heard of Jeff hornaseck, and mark price? How about Steve Kerr? He
needs a different coach.
Because you are in a bad situation does not mean you are without talent.Does anyone remember a guy by the name of Steve Young, went to the USFL
and played on a team where they did not understand his talents? They used him
in some sequences as a running back..why? Is it they had a better or more
talented quarterback...not really, just the coach who was not in his right
mind.Later when he changed to a system more suited to his needs and
a coach in touch with reality he became a superbowl champion...but not as a
running back.Jimmer has talent, proven for years in college. It
will probably emerge again in the NBA.
@Chris BTwo comments:1) If Leonard is so superior to
Fredette perhaps you can explain why Jimmer was a Lottery Pick and Leonard was
not???... Or perhaps you can explain why Jimmer's Cougs beat Leonard's
Aztecs every time they played except the last meeting when Davies was
out???...2)So what pro team is one of the Ute stars on??? LOL... A
fan of the University Utah simply doesn't have license to be critical of
Fredette or any other BYU Player... In order to do that you have to be better
than 1-11 over the past 7 years...Nuff said.
For all the haters saying Jimmer isn't an athlete and thats why he isnt
doing as well in the NBA...you guys really have no clue what you're talking
about. The NBA isn't just for great athletes, some of the best players of
all time weren't known for their athleticism...anyone heard of Larry Bird
or John Stockton? Leonard and Fredette still text and talk often, and Leonard
has commented before that he thinks Jimmer would be better off somewhere else
(I'll look for the source). Cougarfan99: you hit it right on
the head...for the minutes he played Jimmer had good numbers. Imagine what he
would do on a team that actually ran an offense, and where slashers actually
looked for open shooters instead of "getting theirs".
I am astonished that many Ute fans would be dogging on Jimmer Fredette. No
player dismantled Utah in the MWC like Jimmer did. Not Leonard. Not even a close
second. You may not like the guy but you have to respect his performance against
your Utes. To not, is disingenuous, and merely shows your blind hatred of all
Free Jimmer!!Give him a chance on just about ANY other NBA team, and
if he bombs that, then I'll concede that maybe he wasn't cut out to be
a major contributor in the NBA. For his skills he couldn't possibly be on a
worse team and play for a worse coach.
@ Chris B.Let's see you play Jimmer one on one.
Heard some analysis once that Fredette doesn't catch and shoot. He always
puts the ball on the floor at least one time before shooting. The delay of
putting the ball on the floor wasn't a factor in mid-major ball, but its
hurting him in the NBA. Hard to imagine with his work ethic that he hasn't
spent a lot of time working with an NBA shooting coach. Maybe this will be his
break out year. Hate to see such promise go out riding a bench.
Under the Maloof ownership the last few years the Kings just plain sucked.
Finally fired that terrible coach. It was not a "team", just a bunch of
"me" players. Jimmer needs a new start on a team that can use his
talent. I'm not a Jimmer fan, but he wasn't given a chance here.
Jimmer is no Danny Ainge and never will be.
Chris B.What do you do for a living? I'm amazed at your
pessimistic comments. Jimmer is an amazing human being, and I'd trade any
accomplishment in "the world" to be like this guy! NBA?
Nice, but not the goal of life my friend, hope you find as much good and do as
much good as Jimmer. And, who knows, he might still have a few surprises up his
sleeve! Pun intended.
Chris BJimmer is a much better shooter than Leonard and given the
opportunity on a unselfish team that understands how to pass the ball to an open
shooter, Jimmer could be a very productive NBA player.
@ Chris BThanks Chris B for providing support to BYU with all the
hits and comments you've made on BYU articles. Utah articles never provide
the kind of attention with hits and comments that BYU receives thanks to people
like you. Whether they be intelligent or hateful comments, I welcome both
because ultimately it's supporting the Cougars. Keep commenting Cris.
@pipes.Leonard is a good athlete.Jimmer is not
One player has the talent level needed for the NBA, the other in named Jimmy.
It's all about the team. Jimmer is on a bad one, Leonard is on a good one.
Let's talk about utah basketball for a while. Oh, wait. crickets, crickets.
The lack of awareness by Des News writers and readers about Jimmer's
situation in Sacramento continues to astonish. Ever heard of "coach"
Keith "Smart" recently fired King's head coach? "Smart" is
the same "coach" who benched Jeremy Lin (shortly thereafter Knicks and
Rockets star) for an entire season at Golden State; and treated Steph Curry in
like manner. Early in the 2012-13 season as Jimmer was top five in the NBA in
points per minute for point guards and #1 in the NBA in free throw percentage,
Smart frequently benched him the better he played; his treatment of Jimmer was
inexplicable beyond anything those who follows the NBA have ever seen.Jimmer shot nearly 43% from behind the arch for the year (leading the team)
and he played team ball on a team famous for its selfishness. Through it all he
endured with a level of class and grace rarely exhibited. Go to youtube and
watch a few highlights or just read the game threads about Jimmer on ESPN for
examples of what he accomplished in his short 14 min per game. It might
surprise reader and writer alike to be slighly informed on the subject.
Situation means a whole lot to development. Leonard ended up on THE model
franchise of the NBA. He's been allowed to find his niche. Jimmer ended
up on a mess of a team where nobody knows his role. How is a guy supposed to
find his niche in an environment like that?Had their places been
reversed, would Leonard be the one named as a bust? Who knows. But I can
guarantee you he wouldn't be enjoying the success in Sacramento that he has
in San Antonio.
Keep shooting Jimmer. a little luck, a little timing and good things will
happen.No worries what all the deadbeats have to say.
Sacramento drafted Jimmer without a plan. This team and its coach have no idea
how to utilize his abilities. Trade him. It is absolutely foolish to keep him in
Sacramento. The Kings is a pathetic organization. Drafting additional point and
shooting guards after Jimmer confirmed that this organization, and particular
the general manager and coach don't know what they are doing. Trade him or
release him. Let him find a team that can use him and groom him. Sacramento
Kings is a garbage organization.
christyLOL! Jimmer has probably made more $$$ in his first two
seasons playing in the NBA than you'll make in a lifetime.You
said Jimmer wasn't good enough to play in the NBA, yet he's averaged
7.4 ppg and 16.2 mpg in 130 games playing for one of the worst managed and
coached teams in the league - not stellar, but light years ahead of your jealous
predictions.Jimmer could easily be averaging double-digit scoring if
he played for a team and coach who had a clue about how to pass the ball to an
open, spot-up shooter.Jimmer may never be a full-time starter, but
on the right team, with the right coach and offensive scheme, he could still be
a very valuable bench player.
@rescueguy - just ignore this cb. I won't read him nor will I respond.
Just skip this chris/chrissy or whatever this one was.Sac is
overloaded with gaurds and Jimmer need to be traded now. Jimmer should have
never displayed his bench look as shown on picture above.
Well, well, well. Here is Chris B., back again to say "I told you so."
Funny thing is, Chris B., and I are chatting on a comment board while Jimmer is,
indeed, in the NBA. Happy dreams Chris.
LOL!I called this years ago.Doesn't matter the
team, doesn't matter the system.Leonard is an amazing
"athlete"Jimmer is a good shooterA good shooter
can overcome MWC teams most nightsYou need to be an
"athlete" to succeed in the NBA.Enjoy Europe Jimmer!LOL