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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 13, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    poyman:

    "Beating teams in Bowls who DIDN"T win their conference and then claiming that you are deserving of an NC as a Result???"

    Typical Indy-WACey strawman. Can you please cut-&-paste a direct quote from me wherein I said we deserved the 2008 NC?

    Furthermore, strawman aside, there's a HUGE difference in suggesting a 2nd-ranked 13-0 Utah team dominating a 6th-ranked 12-2 Alabama team (who was narrowly edged by the #1-ranked 13-1 Florida team in the SEC championship game) in the Sugar Bowl was more deserving of a national title than a 13-0 cougar team who played a cupcake schedule, and narrowly edged an unranked 6-6 Michigan team who was down to playing their 4th string QB in the Holiday Bowl. And the fact is, you agree with that. You won't "admit it", but you DO believe it. And that's why you're constantly trolling for validation for backing in to the most laughable NC in the history of college football. Just look at your dialogue with Wookie. You got all belligerent with him at first, than backpedalled upon believing you'd been validated.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    How does every BYU article always end up in a debate about 1984? As BYU fans have stated before (especially Wiscougarfan who's earned my respect with his knowledge and pragmatism) they won the NC in 1984 as much for their successes in 1983 and the years leading up to 1984. BYU had the longest win streak in the nation, and a top 15 streak of all time. I also agree with wookie who I've also come to respect, it would have meant more if BYU had played a more worthy opponent in the Holiday Bowl. That said, I agree with other posters that BYU and the holiday bowl did everything in their power to play UW and OU but were turned down. So while I believe it would have given more credibility to BYUs NC to beat a higher ranked opponent, who can you blame when the highest ranked opponents shied away? BYU stood proud and said "bring it on", while the supposed great and "more deserving" teams walked away...I think that should count for something, and apparently the voters agreed.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 13, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    navel,

    Beating teams in Bowls who DIDN"T win their conference and then claiming that you are deserving of an NC as a Result???

    BYU was #1 coming into the Holiday Bowl and other contenders refused invitations, so yes, Beating Michigan was enough to cement it...

    For Utah in 2008 however... Beating the SEC's #2 team just simply was not enough and all of the Pollsters recognized that... In fact, those Pollsters had a tough time even giving the Utes a consensus #2 ranking... In fact, it wasn't a consensus was it? That must have hurt...I would say I feel your pain, but that hasn't ever happened to us, so I guess I can't...

    When we had an undefeated season the Pollsters gave us the NC... Recognizing BYU as the very best College Football Team in the entire country... And, I have to tell you, as a fan, it was a great honor... I'm sorry that you guys never got to feel that... In fact, all the losing that you have been going through lately must be hard... Again, I would say I feel your pain but I really can't because we haven't been doing that...

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    June 13, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    "However, things are now in place for the law of averages to again kick in and BYU back on track for another winning streak over Utah. As such, BYU's seniors will almost certainly be leaving with that well deserved satisfaction."

    Tators, I'm not sure they are. BYU has struggled in recruiting really since the class that brought in Heaps and Apo. Utah hasn't been stellar by any means either but, they've done better than BYU lately.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    June 13, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    "Naval Vet

    Philadelphia, PA

    Reno Cougs Fan 68:

    "BYU would have loved to play UW on the field"

    In retrospect, seeing as how difficult it was for you all to get past an unrnaked 6-5 Michigan team, I doubt seriously that the Y would have "loved to play UW" in the Holiday Bowl back in '84. They would have pounded you right out of the Top-10."

    But it never happened and that is why Naval is here, to right the wrong....

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 13, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    poyman:

    "See comments like this make other comments from you irrelevant... They carry zero credibility..."

    ....said the jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer who claimed Michigan won the 1985 Nat'l Championship. poyman = "zero credibility". Typical hypocritical coug.

    "They lost to Iowa by 2 pts early in the season and that gave Oklahoma the edge... as Michigan also had a tie with Illinois..."

    As I pointed out earlier, Michigan didn't even win the BigTen. As I pointed out earlier, back in '85, the Y lost to 1-10 UTEP. As I pointed out earlier, the 7-5 '85 UWa. team was a COMPLETELY different team than their 11-1 '84 squad, and the 10-1-1 '85 Michigan team was a COMPLETELY different team than their 6-6 '84 squad. So beating the 6-6 Michigan team does NOT suggest you would have been competitive with the 10-1-1 team, and beating the 7-5 UWa. team does NOT suggest you would have been competitive with the 11-1 team.

    STRUGGLING with a 6-6 Michigan team - who was down to playing their 4th string QB - suggests you would NOT have fared well vs. a 11-1 UWa. squad.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    June 12, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    So if the 1985 scUM team finishing #2 helps prove BYU deserved its national championship in 1984 then doesnt't 2009 Alabama finishing #1 further Utah's case in 2008? Also the Huskies finished 7-6 in '85 instead of 11-1 in '84 and were unranked when they played BYU.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 12, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    "It has been a long time since BYU has had a standout running back . . ."

    How about it has been a long time since BYU has had a standout quarterback? If anything the run game has been the reason BYU has had ANY offense the past several seasons.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    @ Wookie...

    Thank you for your last post... Statements and Apologies without condesention or condition are appreciated and welcomed... As i stated before I said that Michigan finihed #1 in 1985 when in fact they finished #2 and so I do appreciate that correction...

    My defense of the 1984 NC perhaps was over energized and from the looks of things you were probably not deserving of the full counter-attack so for that I also apologize.

    I have since read a number of your posts and most of them are polite, courteous and objective according to fact or according to how you see the world and I appreciate that... It will help me in looking at your written contributions in the future... Thanks, and best of luck to you guys this year (except for September 21st).

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 12, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan: Thank you, as I have felt the same regarding your posts as well.

    Poyman, I am not certain how to respond to your latest ranting and raving about the quality opponent Utah played in Alabama when they won the Sugar Bowl. I said nothing about the Utah-Alabama game, nor the outcome, nor how and where Utah ranked thereafter.

    I am sorry to have stirred you up on this NC discussion. Our conversation is fruitless and pointless, thus I don't see a need to continue. I am on no high-horse nor have I ever stepped upon one, rather my attempt to infuse some sarcasm on this article failed miserably as is evidenced by behavior that is not becoming, to which I apologize for my part.

    I truly hope that Williams tears it up this year (except one game) and shows why he was recruited by some high-profile football programs.

    Go UTES!!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    @navalvet

    You continue to make my day... I can't help but smile or chuckle everytime you write something... Looking small based on content is something that you, and Chris B, and AZUTE look like everytime you make a comment.

    I'm curoious, how do you get time to be on the BYU bords all day long??? Do you get a kick out of stating falsehoods and then seeing the Coug fans respond?

    Objectivity is an important ingredient in debate... Without it, people lose credibility for their comments... eventually people stop reading them... and then you become troll without a home... I think you are very close to being there for most Coug fans... As for me, I have decided to stop reading your stuff... it's only designed to be hurtful and is spun so tightly that the facts you try to discuss are not even recognizable... If you write to me, I'll respond... Other than that, your hate is meaningless... So please do us all a favor and troll elsewhere.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    navalvet,

    I have to take your word for that, because when it comes to looking small, you're the undeniable expert...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    @Wookie...

    Can't help yourself can you???

    You start out with a rational explanation of why you said what you said , but then imply that my comments are irrational... You then conclude by implying that my defense of the NC pushes me into a behavioral zone that's not appropriate for that of a BYU fan...

    You need to get off high horse my friend.

    I don't consider myself or anyone else "illogical" or "unreasonable" because they don't buy your premises... You apparently don't believe that the success or failure of a team's future season (one year later) can be predicted by the performance of the previous year... I Do... And yet you and your buddies were indignant over the assertion that the Alabama team you beat in the 2008 Sugar Bowl was not a reputable opponent despite the fact that they lost their QB, most of their Offensive Line, started 16 Freshman and were apathetic after losing the SEC Championship to Florida... Your people quickly stated that those Freshmen won subsequent NCs. Sound familiar?

    Perhaps my friend, you would do well to stop admonishing people on how they should act or talk and stop catagorizing them. Cheers.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 12, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    poyman:

    Don't go blaming wookie for YOUR mistake. YOU were wrong. Own it. Otherwise, you end up looking very small.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 12, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    RE: Black&Blue

    No need to clump Wookie in with the anti-BYU trolls, he's a legitimate Utah fan that is knowledgeable about both BYU and Utah and is pretty objective. Cheers.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 12, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    Poyman:

    You are assuming my friend. My comment, as most of the Y fans on here know me, was not to demean. I was teasing and having fun. I think everyone agrees, Y and U fans alike (at least those with logic) that beating a 6-5 team regardless how they faired the following year (as we all know every year in college football is different for each team unless your the current Alabama or Nebraska of the 90's) was not the team to use a measuring stick for a NC. I am not saying the Y was not deserving. Rather, they should have had to play a stronger opponent (one that finished in the top of their conference at a minimum) to garnder the NC award.

    I am not claiming I am Holy my friend, you are the one who brought up the subject. I apologize for my sarcasm leading to this discussion. Your actions, although who I am to judge, tend to fly in the face of what you supposedly stand for?

    GO UTES!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Wookie...

    Your comments about BYU winning the 1984 Championship was meant to demean or lessen the accomplishment...You were obviously trying to say that BYU's win over Michigan was not an appropriate test for the Cougs and one that would warrant crowning BYU the NC... Your comment would also imply that other teams were more deserving, specifically the winner of the OU and U-Dub game in the Orange Bowl which was Washington (btw, I have a Masters degree from the U of W and I happen to like that team as well)...

    My comments were to justify Michigan as a worthy opponent and to argue that Washington was not more deserving than BYU... So I mistakingly said that Michigan won the NC and that BYU crushed Washington the very next year... You called me out by correcting me in a "rude and codesending fashion" by saying Oklahoma won the NC in 1985 and that I needed to learn my facts before "spewing"... But then fail to point out that Michigan finished a consensus #2 which you and I know equally proves my point...

    "Holy" in this context means that you think that you are above the fray... You're not.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 12, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Poyman, I do not know what you mean to be quite honest with you. Please explain, I'm curious as to your comment. I think stating "holy" has many implications. For example, are you a Y fan? If so are you representing its values morals beliefs and convictions with your contentious statements? I am sorry and will apologize again for my comments about playing a 6-5 team to win the NC, I had no idea it would stir up a debate like this especially when I stated it in sarcasm, and indicated as such. I am a fan of the Y. I support the Y in every game except against one opponent (the U :) and admire the institution and its values. What is hard to stomach is individuals who claim that the Y sports is a missionary tool yet some of their fans behavior would say otherwise. So what do you mean about holy? I'm curious.

    Go UTES!!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    navelvet,

    You make me smile and sometimes even chuckle...

    You come on the Cougar Board, get pummeled for our Coug bashing and twisting of the facts and then call BYU fans "frantic" and "emotional Indy-WACers" and Hypocritical when we all give you legitimate and solid responses to your claims about BYU played lesser opponents on their way to a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 1984... That is disingenuous by any definition and funny to boot...

    If a Coug fan went and did the same thing that you have done on a Ute board... They would be classified as Envious or Jealous and probably rightfully so... So what does that say about your comments? You just can't handle the truth... BYU won the 1984 National Championship... In 1984The Polls showed that BYU was the best College Football team in all the land... There is nothing wrong with admitting that, and Coug fans who support and defend this recognitionare NOT Jealous, I assure you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 12, 2013 6:14 a.m.

    MacNasty:

    "I don't care and neither does anybody else. Nobody cares about #2."

    ...said the jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer who just an hour earlier said, "Do you know who came in #2. It was Michigan."

    You sure seemed to care about that THEN!

    "...nobody cares about comparing #2 rankings from 1985 and 2008."

    ...said the jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer who less than half an hour later also said, "In 1985 Michigan was a consensus #2...In 2008 Utah was not a consensus #2."

    Lots of hypocrisy and positional contradictions. Yep. Pretty standard for your typical Y fan.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 1:04 a.m.

    Wookie,

    "Poyman, know your facts. Oklahoma was the national champions in 1985. Look it up and come prepared before you spew incorrect facts."

    If you're going to call people out, at least try to be honest when you do it... The fact that Michigan finished 2nd in the polls in 1985 vs #1 doesn't change the meaning of my comment at all and you know it...

    A person interested in honest dialoge would have told the whole story and not gotten on their holy soap box and I think you know exactly what I mean...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    "That's a real stretch. You guys will say just about anything to justify taking home the most laughable NC in the history of college football. Washington beat the #6 team in the country -- IN MIAMI -- more convincingly than the Y beat an unranked 6-6 Michigan team down to playing their 4th-string QB.

    You would lost, and lost BIG!"

    See comments like this make other comments from you irrelevant... They carry zero credibility...

    As I have already pointed out, Michigan finished 2nd in the National Polls the following season after the Cougs beat them for the National Championship in 1984... They lost to Iowa by 2 pts early in the season and that gave Oklahoma (who lost to Miami by 2 touchdowns early in the season) the edge... as Michigan also had a tie with Illinois...

    BYU followed up their NC in 1985 with a #16th finish in the polls... Utah was nowhere near the same caliber as either Michigan or BYU...

    Oh, and as I also pointed out BYU beat Washington 31-3 in both team's first game of the following year.

    So your comments hold no water... again.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 11, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    Navel Vet
    Just to remind you it was UW that declined an invite to play #1 BYU in the Holiday Bowl not the other way around! If you can remember what the result of the game between the two schools the very next season? I believe BYU beat UW soundly!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 11, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    MacNasty:

    No need to compare apples with oranges. Who cares about 1985 or 2008. What I was merely pointing out, and I am sorry for stirring the pot, is that the Y's 1984 NC was based upon beating a 6-5 team. Let's be honest with one another, that was a gift to the Y as there was arguably more deserving teams. At a minimum, we can agree that Michigan should not have been the measuring stick for determining the NC nor should that game been deemed NC.

    GO UTES!!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 11, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    Re: Naval Vet

    In 1985 Michigan was a consensus #2.

    In 2008 Utah was not a consensus #2.

    AP final Poll: Utah @4
    USA Today Coaches Poll: Utah #4

    Those are the facts. In the end, numbers, statistics, comparison minutia are meaningless.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 11, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Re: Naval Vet @ 1:11 pm

    'Michigan didn't even win the BigTen. But I suppose that must not have been meaningful to YOU, otherwise YOU'D have mentioned that in your response."

    You know Naval Vet, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! I don't care and neither does anybody else. Nobody cares about #2 and nobody cares about comparing #2 rankings from 1985 and 2008.

    So, you are right and I agree with you, I don't care.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 11, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    Re: Naval Vet

    Spin spin and spin again Naval Vet.

    1985 AP Final Poll: #2 Michigan
    1985 Coaches Final Poll: #2 Michigan

    Those are the facts Naval Vet. How you manage to throw "edge Utah" is incredible, as in unbelievable.

    The point is Michigan was consensus #2. I find it amazing that you try to minimize Michigan's number 2 ranking determined by the national sports writers and college coaches.

    The real point is that nobody cares the Utes came in #2 almost five years ago. They were a bride's maid, not the bride. #1 is what people care about.

    Close matters only in horseshoes and gernades, not football.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 11, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    MacNasty:

    Michigan didn't even win the BigTen. But I suppose that must not have been meaningful to YOU, otherwise YOU'D have mentioned that in your response.

    Utah finished 2008...

    (1) Sugar Bowl Champions
    (2) MWC Champions
    (3) and after beating their 4th ranked team (2nd in the Top-10 after thoroughly routing #6 Alabama), completed the nation's only undefeated season.

    Michigan finished 1985...

    (1) Fiesta Bowl Champions
    (2) BigTen runner-up
    (3) and at 10-1-1, lost to the only Top-10 team they faced, and beat only 3 ranked teams.

    Edge: 2008 Utah.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 11, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    Re: Naval Vet @ 12.42 pm

    You are right, Oklahoma was #1.

    Do you know who came in #2. It was Michigan. It must not be meaningful to you otherwise you would have mentioned it in your response to poyman.

    Conclusion, nobody really cares who comes in second, third or whatever, only #1.

    I wonder if the Michigan fans are still crowing about their 2nd place finish. Or is that just what Ute fans do?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 11, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    shorts:

    That's a real stretch. You guys will say just about anything to justify taking home the most laughable NC in the history of college football. Washington beat the #6 team in the country -- IN MIAMI -- more convincingly than the Y beat an unranked 6-6 Michigan team down to playing their 4th-string QB.

    You would lost, and lost BIG!

  • shorts Payson, UT
    June 11, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    RE:Naval Vet
    Philadelphia, PA

    You don't know that different teams different style of play. BYU still could of won. The fact is UW had a chance to play BYU but wanted the money more then a National Championship.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 11, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Rational:

    The Indy-WACers are to the Utes as New Mexico St. is to the Indy-WACers.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 11, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    poyman:

    "A couple of facts for you... 1) Michigan won the National Championship the next year after losing to BYU in the Holiday Bowl; and 2) The very next game that Washington played (the firstgame of the following season) the Huskies lost to BYU by 4 touch downs...Now don't you feel foolish?"

    Haha! Not as foolish as YOU'RE looking right about now. In 1985, the team that won the Nat'l Championship was NOT Michigan. It was Oklahoma. Michigan wouldn't win another title for another 12-yrs.

    And the year that you beat an unranked 7-5 UWa team, you also LOST to 1-10 UTEP! Plus beating UWa. didn't win you another NC. You finished ranked 16th.

    And finally, Washington's first game of their '85 season was a Home loss to an unranked 8-4 Oklahoma St. team; not to the cougars. It wasn't even the cougars' first game. It was their 3rd.

    So now that we've established that you had no idea what you were talking about, don't YOU feel foolish?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 11, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    "Like they did 8 months later when BYU played Washington - oh wait, that was a 31-3 Cougar demolition of the Huskies."

    Wasnt' that the same year you LOST to 1-10 UTEP? Haha!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 11, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Poyman, know your facts. Oklahoma was the national champions in 1985. Look it up and come prepared before you spew incorrect facts.

    GO UTES!!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Utah is to the Pac as UTEP was to the Wac.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 11, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Adam Hine will make his presence known in fall camp and in the upcoming season. He will bring another great weapon to the arsenal. If the O-line can eliminate its weaknesses of last year, Williams, Alisa, Hine, Lasike and Hill will pound the ball. At present, that is a big "if". the proof will be in the pudding this fall.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 11, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    A couple of facts for you... 1) Michigan won the National Championship the next year after losing to BYU in the Holiday Bowl; and 2) The very next game that Washington played (the firstgame of the following season) the Huskies lost to BYU by 4 touch downs...

    Now don't you feel foolish?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 11, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Tator is right. Williams could be a high number one pick this years.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 11, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    @Chris B

    You don't need to wonder what it's like to never have beaten your rival... You can simply ask the players on your basketball team... They've lived it...

    Or, you can ask your football team what it takes to generate more television viewers and general recognition in any TV Market (including your own)than your big brothers 40 miles to the south are able to get...

    I wonder if it's discouraging for them to finally belong to a BCS Conference and still be considered a lower 2nd tier TV Market attraction when compared to their big brother in Provo?
    Probably so...

    I would tell them all that "I can feel their pain" but then that wouldn't be truthful because the Cougs have never been in that position... The Cougs have always been the most recognizable Team/Trade Mark in the state of Utah...

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2013 1:26 a.m.

    @ anti BCS

    "Like they did 8 months later when BYU played Washington - oh wait, that was a 31-3 Cougar demolition of the Huskies."

    Different teams, different seasons. For that reason the comparison is simply invalid.

    @ IRS Agent

    "I wonder what it feels like to never play in a bowl game?"

    ....What?

    @ AltaHawk

    5 of those things we don't know. It's just wishful thinking on your part.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    June 10, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    Some things we don't know but the things we do know ...

    1. BYU will win a majority of their games.
    2. utah will lose a majority of their games.
    3. BYU will go to a bowl game again.
    4. utah will stay home again.
    5. utah's running backs will not be as good as BYU's.
    6. chrissy, naval vet, and mildred will comment on every BYU article.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 10, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    Again! BYU will be the reigning state champs.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    June 10, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    @ Chris B (obsessing over all things BYU since 1996),

    "After 3 years in a row of losing records in conference play, including a loss to the conference door mat at your place when players and fans alike went into hiding and ran away, our seniors are on the verge of a 4-0 perfect sweep.

    I wonder what it feels like to never play in a bowl game?

    LOL!

    That must be the most embarrassing thing that could happen for any college football player, a big goose egg against your rival.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 10, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    navelvet

    "In retrospect, seeing as how difficult it was for you all to get past an unranked 6-5 Michigan team, I doubt seriously that the Y would have "loved to play UW" in the Holiday Bowl back in '84. They would have pounded you right out of the Top-10."

    Like they did 8 months later when BYU played Washington - oh wait, that was a 31-3 Cougar demolition of the Huskies.

    BYU 1984 beat Michigan 24-17; Washington 1984 beat Michigan 20-11.

    Yeppers, that amazing two-point difference in margin of victory certainly proves your point that UW would have pounded BYU.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 10, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    BYU doesn't mind all the nc trash talk - we got the crystal ball, and all the talkers can talk till their "blue" in the face, doesn't change anything.

    But why rank on BYU? They did everything they were asked, and they earned what they deserved. Now how would it feel to be Washington or Nebraska? To know that you COULD have played for the national championship, but didn't? That instead, you took the money and hoped Michigan would do the dirty work?

    Of course Utah doesn't have a hound in that fight.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 10, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Than there's LaSike.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 10, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @Warrior
    I was just going to say that the article doesn't even include Adam Hine who performed the best during the spring (of course Williams and Alisa didn't play much). Hine impressed many coaches. I'm looking forward to Anae's offense, he was always about ball control and was a 50/50 pass/rush play caller. I know a lot of Y fans think he was predictable but the numbers speak for themselves. BYU was a much better offense with Anae, and with him bringing the Arizona type up-tempo game it could be exciting. BYU has tremendous talent at the skill positions, but it's all really going to hinge on the O-line, which concerns me a little.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 10, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    No mention of Adam Hine? I watched him run some drills this last weekend with Alisa, both backs looked really good. I would like to see Williams and Hine getting the majority of the reps with Alisa coming in for some power run plays and other options. It will be interesting to see how Anae incorporates such a talented backfield into his game plan. I am excited to see the new and hopefully improved BYU offense this Fall. With the talented RB group and some new big guys up front, I think the running game will take a big step forward.

    And man, I love seeing the obsessive Ute fans on these boards. Since their embarrassing plummet in the PAC-12 the past 2 seasons, BYU football is all they have. Isn't it funny how much stronger obsession and hatred is than loyalty? Chris B, ekute, and wookie, thank you for your constant attention to all things BYU!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 10, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    To Chris B:

    No... not beating your rival during your college football career is not so embarrassing, as you've stated. But it probably would be frustrating, especially when game statistics (more offensive yardage) show you outplayed them in 2 of your 3 losses to them... and knowing that just a few untimely turnovers determined the final outcome of those 2 losses. Yes, that indeed would be frustrating... not embarrassing.

    However, things are now in place for the law of averages to again kick in and BYU back on track for another winning streak over Utah. As such, BYU's seniors will almost certainly be leaving with that well deserved satisfaction.

    What would actually be both embarrassing and frustrating is playing for a once proud program that no longer can even qualify for a bowl game, as many current Ute players are now experiencing. I sincerely do wish positive things in the future for Utah and it's players, except for that one game a year against BYU. BYU's upcoming victory over Utah would look a lot better if Utah can somehow establish a winning record again.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 10, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Reno Cougs Fan 68:

    "BYU would have loved to play UW on the field"

    In retrospect, seeing as how difficult it was for you all to get past an unrnaked 6-5 Michigan team, I doubt seriously that the Y would have "loved to play UW" in the Holiday Bowl back in '84. They would have pounded you right out of the Top-10.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 10, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    I agree Reno Cougs Fan 68. Thank you for clarifying, as it is true, they "gave" the award to the Y as opposed to earning it. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Truly, I was just having fun, not wanting to offend anyone. I just find it interesting the facts surrounding the title game of 84. Nebraska was 11-2 that year and throttled teams from the BIG 10, including those that beat Michigan. I will say this though, the U was horrible back in the 80's. To even mention that the U had a shot is almost insulting to the Y, they never had a prayer.

    GO UTES!!

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    June 10, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Alisa and Williams better watch out... Hine will get a few downs and after the ensuing touchdowns will earn the starting spot

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 10, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    Chris B

    Maybe he will follow in Ziggy's foot steps and be picked in the first round of the NFL draft!!! Only time will tell!!! I for one am looking forward to watching the whole team this year and see if they can rise to the challenge ahead!!! Maybe the third year will be the charm for the Utes and they will finally win more conference games then they lose!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 10, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    Wookie

    As with every other bowl game, BYU opponent was chosen by somebody else!!! BYU would have loved to play UW on the field but they stuck by their word and played in the Holiday Bowl and beat their opponent and were rewarded for their efforts throughout the entire year!!! By the way, the mighty Utes had their chance to knock them off on the field and could not!!! So the Utes are as much to blame as all the voters that gave the award to BYU!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 10, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Mildred:

    We all know you're using your obvious and VERY tired sarcasm again, but don't be surprised if and when Williams does become a successful NFL running back. He's getting some serious attention from a lot of their scouts with some very impressive early college career statistics.

  • Gone fishin Murray, UT
    June 10, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    Great article Des News. I look forward to a geta season in Provo.
    The saddest part is that there is nothing at all interesting about Utah football to write about. Maybe Des News could make something up just to give Crissy, ekeute, and Naval Vet something to comment about. OH well, maybe next year but probably not.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 10, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    To ekute:

    Do you really want to start commenting about BYU and Utah's records and opponents from several decades ago? It will be iffy if I'm allowed to like you have, but here's an actual fact to ponder on...

    Going back to the timeframe that you've brought up, and when LaVell Edwards became BYU's coach, BYU went on 19-2 winning dominance of Utah. It's easy to verify in the record books. So just exactly who was the "cupcake" during the timeframe you've referenced??

    And speaking of "turnovers", it was only just a few of those that kept BYU from beating Utah in 2 of their last 3 games when BYU also had more offensive yardage. Hardly any recent dominance by Utah using any objective measurement.

  • WisCoug MOUNT HOREB, WI
    June 10, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    Nearly every paragraph contained the the phrase "should be." As in the two RBs should be a threat together in the back field, Anae's offense should be better than what we saw from Doman, the offensive line should be improved, and Hill should be a better QB than Riley. Instead what I hear is that you see a lot of question marks heading in to the season.

    Is Hill a competent passer? His ypa & ypc were not stellar and he never completed anything down field, but he did show impressive speed and skill running. Are we destined to see more option offense? (Please, no).

    Is the line really better? Alisa, when healthy, is an effective back. Williams, we saw, has it in him to be very good, but the line was bad last year and it is hard success running the ball without a good O-line. Not to mention that it is hard to tell, before the season starts, whether or not JC guys are going to be an upgrade over guys who were considered D-1 talent out of high school.

    I am optimistic, but these are the things I will be watching as the season progresses.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    Both NFL quality backs who will establish a dominant BYU running game.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 10, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    I'll take a cupcake and a couple of turnovers off byu's menu.

    I've been having them for a quarter of a century, and they just get more delicious every year.

    Go Utes.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 10, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Re: Chris B @ 9:57 am

    "Look for Williams to follow in Unga's footsteps.

    It's only a matter of time before he's shown the door."

    Less likely to happen than the PAC showing your place holding, done nothing UTES the door; especially if the Big 12 gets its waiver to have a championship game with only 10 teams in the conference.

    Oh no, he comes the spin cycle on the Ute "fans" BCS washing machine....once again. The only thing they serve on a one item menu; it different forms of course (half baked, baked, fried or just plain poached).

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 10, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Not a huge fan of Alisa's game, but Williams is the real-deal. That kid is going to break records at BYU if he stays in the college game long enough. He is only going to get bigger and faster which should be scary for a lot of other teams. Not convinced by Anae and his offense though. Time will tell.

    Go UTES!!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 10, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Okay, a little sarcasm never hurts.

    You mean this years schedule is harder than the 1984 Championship season for BYU? You mean to win the national title game they will have to beat a team that was 6-5 when they played and 6-6 after their win. A team that wasn't even the best team in the BIG-10? This is unheard of. I am not certain how they will fare.

    GO UTES!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Herbert,

    Yes they will, but that is more just a formality these days.

    After 3 in a row including 54-10 at your place when players and fans alike went into hiding and ran away, our seniors are on the verge of a 4-0 perfect sweep over byu.

    I wonder what it feels like to never beat your rival?

    LOL!

    That must be the most embarrassing thing that could happen for any college football player, a big goose egg against your rival.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 10, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Anyone know if the games will actually be played on the field this season?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 10, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    An interesting and very positive article about BYU football. Thank you Lafe Peavler for a well written article. There are a lot of growing reasons to be optimistic about BYU football this season. Sadly, that also seems to scare their critics and bring them out of the woodwork.

    That means we will probably soon be hearing from Chris B and his fellow Ute trolls with their off-the-wall criticisms about anything BYU... even if it has nothing at all to do with this article. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky this time and they will give it a rest. But my hopes aren't too high. They've demonstrated an obvious and true obsession in the past.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 10, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Aw yeah, bring it on! Let's have a great year this year!