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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 12:32 a.m.

    @ nhatch

    First off, Northern Colorado and Montana St. are Division 1. They just play in the FCS division instead of the FBS. Most FBS teams (BYU included) play at least on FCS team per year.

    Second thing is last season Montana St. finished ranked higher than FIVE of the teams on BYU's schedule.

    The SEC is considered a powerhouse conference because no other conference can seem to beat any SEC teams with any consistency. In other words, the SEC's impressive record against non-conf. foes (including FCS teams) is the catalyst for its reputation.

    Now back to the main point. Utah has put together a solid 6-1 record against non-conf. competion with its only loss coming to a ranked team, on the road, in overtime. Utah has struggled in conf. play so far, but those saying that Utah's struggles in conf. play have been an embarrassment or a disappointment to the PAC-12 are dead wrong. Utah has strengthened the profile of the PAC with its non-conf. play. Whatever happens in conf. play is a wash because one PAC-12 teams gets a W and another gets an L.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 12, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    @2 for flinch

    seriously you think you are making valid statement but you are not! You are the same people who say that because we played some "cupcake" wac team that we are a weak team. northern colorado and montana state are not even division 1 teams. those wins are like beating alta high school. if you don't recognize that then i have to assume you spend your time reading glamour or vogue instead of Sports Illustrated. Regardless of what you think those two wins do nothing...ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING to build the utes or the PAC 12 up other than you guys having a 5-7 year instead of a 4-8. The SEC built a reputation because they are a powerhouse confrence with powerhouse teams and have won more national championships than any other confrence, not because the can beat northern colorado. you are livin in a fantasty world buddy!

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    June 12, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    Dick Harmon,

    I have always like you since the Provo Harold Days, and I almost always trust you in your assessment of the BYU Cougar Football Team.

    I think you did a good job at elevating the position of HC Bronco Mendenhal.

    I have had a vicarious hate/love relation with the coach. The things that I complained most about he has corrected, i.e. getting a DC so that he could spend his time being a HC for the whole team and not just the Defense; Getting somebody with experience to be the OC. Getting a QB that can QB; and preparing the Offensive to be as good as the Defense; and to raise the importance of football while he is HC to an elevation far above the #5-7 that he had before.

    The past 3 years has shown that a HC needs to see football much more important thant #5-7 in order to be successful in all of defense, offense, and special teams. You made me a beliver, once again in our HC Bronco Mendenhal. May he bring us back to Prominance that we enjoyed int the 1980’s.

    Ron

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    @ nhatch

    #1. Utah has won 6 of the 7 games they have played against non-Pac 12 teams. Like it or not, that makes the conf., as a whole, look stronger. That fact that Utah finished in the lower half of the conf. standings just strengthens my point. It suggests that there are good teams from top to bottom. How do you not understand that? The SEC built it reputation because all of it's members tend to do very well in non-conf. games, then get beat up by the really good teams during conf. play. That same thing applies here. The more non-conference games, and bowl games PAC-12 teams win, the stronger the conf. looks. It's very simple logic.

    #2. You did bring up SOS when you said this: "You also have had the weakest PAC12 schedule of any team and are still bottom dwellers."

    It would not have been four "more" losses. Oregon and Stanford replaced UW and Cal. Utah lost to UW both years and split the series with Cal. At most it would have been 1 more loss over the past two seasons, unless Utah pulled an upset. Again, not hard to understand.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    @Two for flinching
    2points

    #1 Here is your original post buddy read it.

    "Utah is 5-1 in OCC games since joining the conf. and is 1-0 in bowl games. That fact that Utah has performed so well against non-conf. foes, but struggles against PAC-12 teams, makes the league look stronger, not weaker."

    You are telling me a win against northern colorado, montana state, 2 below avg BYU teams. 1 avg UT State and 1 good UT State team (Loss), a sub 500 Pitt team, and an avg Georgia Tech team makes you and the Pac 12 look good? Ridiculus.

    #2
    I am not talking about SOS. you ute fans are obsessed with this for some reason. I am saying if you had to play Oregon and Stanford your first two years in the league it would have been 4 more losses automatically. You didn't even play the two hardest teams in the Pac 12 and you still had a terrible record, thus propelling you to the basement of the Pac 12.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 11, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "BYU's SOS ranking in '11 was #90. CU's was #21. If we absolutely brutally curb-stomped BYU on their homefield, 54-10, just imagine what CU would've done to them..."

    LOL at your naivete!

    Comparative are the most meaningless predictor in sports.

    By that line of "reasoning":

    BYU beat Georgia Tech on the road 41-17 (+24), Georgia Tech beat USC in the Sun Bowl 21-7 (+14), USC beat Utah in RES 38-28 (+10), so of course BYU brutally curb stomped Utah in RES 58-10.

    Oh wait, that didn't happen.

    Who cares what Colorado's SOS was; unlike Kyle, Bronco doesn't lose to pathetic 10-loss teams like Colorado and UNLV.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    @ nhatch82

    No. Utah's non conf. games have been UNCO, Mont. St. BYU (one home, one away, @ USU, and @ Pitt, and a Sun Bowl win over Georgia Tech. Also, ASU's SOS was less than Utah's last season and Utah was only a few spots behind CU, Oregon, and Washington in regards to SOS, and that was without playing Standford and/or Oregon.

    @ Wiscougarfan

    So what you are nhatch are arguing is that even though Utah has gone 6-1 against teams not from the PAC-12 in the past two seasons it somehow makes the conf. look weak? Is that really your point (because it's wrong), or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

    Define a "few" cream puffs? Because half of the schedule is not a few.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 11, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    AZUTE:
    I swear I've never seen someone use so many excuses for Utah's failures (or Colorado's for that matter).
    You said- "Playing at Hawaii in Game 1 is a far cry from playing them at season's end. CU's schedule consisted of playing against the following teams--"

    Who cares about the rest of their schedule...I brought up one like opponent the two programs had in 2011 to show how ridiculous your comment was about how you couldn't see BYU winning a single game against their schedule...except they did. And easily beat a team that finished ahead if them against a tough PAC12 schedule also. Face it your "comment/point" DO NOT stand up to logical scrutiny regardless how many excuses you want to make.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 11, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    RE: Two For Flinching

    “Utah is 5-1 in OCC games since joining the conf. and is 1-0 in bowl games. That fact that Utah has performed so well against non-conf. foes, but struggles against PAC-12 teams, makes the league look stronger, not weaker.”

    Yeah, because losing to WAC rival USU and wins over Northern Colorado, Montana State, BYU, and Pitt (who finished the season with a losing record), makes the conference of champions look quite mighty indeed. Aren’t you the same person that says BYU can’t be taken seriously because they play a few cream puffs each season?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 11, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    RE: AZUTE1

    Continually bringing up BYU’s SOS makes little sense in talking about the BYU/UofU rivalry. Yes, in the year that Utah thrashed us their SOS was significantly higher. But in 2012 BYU had a higher SOS than several BCS programs, including Florida State, NC State, Cincy, and UConn. In fact, BYU’s rank of #63 is the exact same as one BCS conference’s average team rank (#63). In 2013 BYU’s pre-season rank of #22 is higher than all but three PAC12 teams.

    What matters is winning games, not having excuses for when your team loses. Go Cougs!

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 11, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    @Two for Flinching
    "Utah is 5-1 in OCC games since joining the conf. and is 1-0 in bowl games. That fact that Utah has performed so well against non-conf. foes, but struggles against PAC-12 teams, makes the league look stronger, not weaker."

    by occ is assume you are saying ooc? Out of Confrence, not Orange Coast College or Onondaga Community College?

    HAHAHAHAHA
    Do you know who your out of confrence games are? Montana State, Northern Colorado,2 Utah State,2 BYU. Seriously?

    Let's not pretend your out there playing LSU and Alabama. You also have had the weakest PAC12 schedule of any team and are still bottom dwellers. In 2 years you have yet to play Oregon or Stanford, which would have been an automatic loss for you guys. Your facts are completely irrelevant and as AZUTE1 would say utterly and absolutley useless! Really AZute a couple less adjectives would benefit us all.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 11, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Bluto
    Sandy, UT

    "@ Two for...aka Howard S....aka AZUte...aka Naval

    Legacy Programs must have these things in common...."

    Please include byu's annual strength-of-schedule [i.e., finishing with the #96 ranked strength-of-schedule out of 98 total D-1 schools ranked in 1984].

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 11, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT

    "AZUTE:

    Like most Utah trolls you're missing the point because you can't see through your crimson haze. You're saying BYU would have been fortunate to win a single game against Colorado's SOS in 2011?"

    Playing at Hawaii in Game 1 is a far cry from playing them at season's end. CU's schedule consisted of playing against the following teams--

    CAL, @ Ohio State, @ Stanford, @ UW, Oregon, @ ASU, USC, ua & @ UCLA. byu has never, ever had to navigate such a SOS, ever.

    My previous comment/point stand, period, end-of-story.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 11, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    @ Two for...aka Howard S....aka AZUte...aka Naval

    Legacy Programs must have these things in common....

    -A Unanimous National Championship

    -Domination of their Conference (BYU has 23 Conference Championships)

    -Consensus All-Americans (BYU has had 16) (over 60 All-Americans)

    -Prominent NFL players
    (BYU has Super Bowl and NFL MVP's....55 BYU players have played in Super Bowls since '84)

    -College Hall of Famers (BYU-7)

    -Heisman and Outland Trophy winners
    (BYU has 21 National Award winners including Baugh, O'Brian, Walker and Maxwell Trophies.

    -Legendary Hall of Fame Coach

    -Top-25 finishes (18)

    For Starters....

    When the University of Utah Football program can match these accomplishments, then get back to us. Until then, all of the False Bravado exhibited by Ute trolls is just that....False Bravado!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 11, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    "BYU played most of the season with a QB who had a broken back.

    ND handled USC 20-13 in the Coliseum on their way to a bcs championship game, while BYU was one errant pass away from beating Notre Dame in South Bend.

    The next week, BYU destroyed Georgia Tech on the road, the same Yellow Jackets team that easily handled USC in the Sun Bowl."

    USC played without Matt Barkley against ND/GT, as well as GT having extra-time to prepare for USC, and byu played against ND minus their starting QB. This is too easy, seriously.

    p.s. Did you see the antics of USC in El Paso? Extremely unfocused USC.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2013 1:40 a.m.

    @ nhatch82

    "Your performance in the Pac 10.5 (Utah and Colorado being the .5) is terrible. you don't beat the teams you should and you have been a consistent bottom dweller."

    Utah is 5-1 in OCC games since joining the conf. and is 1-0 in bowl games. That fact that Utah has performed so well against non-conf. foes, but struggles against PAC-12 teams, makes the league look stronger, not weaker.

    @ PAC man

    I think your post boils down to this: ND was not that good, and neither was USC. Both teams were badly exposed in their respective bowl games.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    June 10, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Does anyone remember a score of 28-21? That's right.... I don't care what the overall success is against claimed illustrious competition... The bottom line is a 'reigning' national champion (and I do believe current #1) was invited and accepted the invitation to play in Provo, and they lost! The game of games.... The propeller to the only Heisman Trophy winner this silly state will EVER see! That less than a decade after the ONLY consensus National Championship we will ever see either!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 10, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    @nhatch82--

    byu's SOS ranking in '11 was #90. CU's was #21. If we absolutely brutally curb-stomped byu on their homefield, 54-10, just imagine what CU would've done to them. LOL

    Losing merely once to CU hardly constitutes not beating the teams we should, but rather just simply the lone-exception....Nice try.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 10, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "ND without their QB."

    BYU played most of the season with a QB who had a broken back.

    ND handled USC 20-13 in the Coliseum on their way to a bcs championship game, while BYU was one errant pass away from beating Notre Dame in South Bend.

    The next week, BYU destroyed Georgia Tech on the road, the same Yellow Jackets team that easily handled USC in the Sun Bowl.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 10, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    AZUTE:
    Like most Utah trolls you're missing the point because you can't see through your crimson haze. You're saying BYU would have been fortunate to win a single game against Colorado's SOS in 2011? Well the mighty Buffs played Hawaii and lost by 17 points. BYU beat them by 3 TDs...oops, you want to retract? Then in OSUs case, you completely ignored nhatch's point that Oregon State was a better team, finishing higher against like opponents in the PAC12 than CU. BYU also beat them handily. You've become so accustomed to using SOS as an excuse for Utah that you've decided to make it an excuse for one of the worst teams in college football in 2011. To use your vernacular...BYU "curb stomped" the only like opponent they had with CU, while CU was "curb stomped" by said opponent. Kind of blows your theory apart. Your point clearly DOES NOT stand.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 10, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    OSU was horrible in '11 and UTAH utterly destroyed them. Nice try

    So why didn't you curb-stomp Colorado then? they performed just as badly in the pac 12 that year. Basically we are trying to point out that your comment is useless and it doesn't matter. Your performance in the Pac 10.5 (Utah and Colorado being the .5) is terrible. you don't beat the teams you should and you have been a consistent bottom dweller. Your coach has done nothing but fail since you got to the confrence, which is what our original comments were about. On the other hand you can all put those sweet Pac12 stickers on your bumper, so you've got that going for ya.

    You utes fans talk about how byu is so terrible and don't even consider us a rivalry anymore, but for some reason you troll on every single byu article. If we are so bad why are you bragging about "curb-stomping" us? I promise AZUTE1 you aren't as cool as you people think you are. Nice Try.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 10, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    @wcf

    JS had byu's SOS ranked #90, UTAH's #49 and CU's #21. My point clearly stands.

    @nhatch82

    OSU was horrible in '11 and UTAH utterly destroyed them. Nice try.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 10, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Seeing how UTAH absolutely brutally curb-stomped byu during this same, exact season, just imagine what CU would've done to byu. byu would've been fortunate to even remotely win even one, single game had they played against CU's SOS in 2011.

    Actually buddy on Saturday Oct 15 2011 Byu beat Oregon State 38-28 at Oregon State. Oregon State did have a better record. Thanks for playing troll somewhere else

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 10, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    RE: AZUTE1

    "Seeing how UTAH absolutely brutally curb-stomped byu during this same, exact season, just imagine what CU would've done to byu. byu would've been fortunate to even remotely win even one, single game had they played against CU's SOS in 2011."

    I don't get the point that you're trying to make with strength of schedule. In 2011 Anderson & Hester had BYU SOS rank at #61 which was just behind Utah (#49), Miami (#50) and Ohio State (#52) and just ahead of teams like Florida Sate (#65), Louisville (#79), and North Carolina (#83). Colorado, the preseason #1 SOS, ended the season ranked #35 in SOS.

    So, what’s your point? Are you trying to say that Utah, Miami, TCU, Southern Miss, OSU, FSU, etc. are all bad teams because they didn't have top 25 SOS? Or that independent schedules that include a few cupcakes and a few great teams are actually very similar to most BCS teams' schedules?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 10, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    @nhatch82--

    "Your coach should be the one on the hot seat. 2 straight years of truly underwhelming performaces in the "GREAT PAC 12", highlighted by a absolutely unforgivable loss to a colorado team who hadn't won a road game in 35 yaers!"

    Seeing how UTAH absolutely brutally curb-stomped byu during this same, exact season, just imagine what CU would've done to byu. byu would've been fortunate to even remotely win even one, single game had they played against CU's SOS in 2011.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 10, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan

    Nice research!

    Howie,

    Your coach should be the one on the hot seat. 2 straight years of truly underwhelming performaces in the "GREAT PAC 12", highlighted by a absolutely unforgivable loss to a colorado team who hadn't won a road game in 35 yaers! You should worry a bit more about your own teams failures. I understand why you are here though. Its easy to point at the faults of others that look at the giant Stanford redwood tree in your eye!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 10, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    "Deuce, The BYU Defense ended up ranked 4th in the country! The vast majority of the games we lost were by less than 7 points in low scoring affairs (even against Notre Dame, at Notre Dame). The defense kept us in most games and actually scored more points than the offense in others (see, e.g., our bowl game)! If not for brilliant defense, last season would have been a disaster. Now with an up-tempo offense and plenty of talent on the offensive side of the ball, improvement is inevitable."

    ND without their QB. ND played down to their opponents. ND made PITT look like world-beaters, although at least PITT took ND AT ND into OT AND ND had their QB, to boot. BSU was breaking in a brand-new O. byu's D loses 7 starters from last season. Anae was previously run-off for being utterly inept. No o-line and an inexperienced QB who's already proven to be injury-prone. With a slightly upgraded schedule, expect a loooooooong season in utah county in 2013.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 10, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    The following are teams’ records (all-time) against teams ranked in the final polls.

    1 Oklahoma (114-127-7) .472
    2 Notre Dame (130-152-9) .462
    24 Colorado (52-164-4), .245
    30 Houston (30-121-6), .210
    45 BYU (15-72-1), .176
    51 East Carolina (11-62-1), .1554
    52 Utah (15-84-1), .1550
    56 Oregon State (27-177-2), .140
    60 Cal (28-198-5), .132
    68 Washington St (20-162-3), .116

    Say what you will about BYU's SOS in the past... they've still beat more ranked teams than Utah, OSU, Cal, and WSU.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 10, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    The following are teams’ records (all-time) against teams ranked in the final polls.

    1 Oklahoma (114-127-7) .472
    2 Notre Dame (130-152-9) .462
    24 Colorado (52-164-4), .245
    30 Houston (30-121-6), .210
    45 BYU (15-72-1), .176
    51 East Carolina (11-62-1), .1554
    52 Utah (15-84-1), .1550
    56 Oregon State (27-177-2), .140
    60 Cal (28-198-5), .132
    68 Washington St (20-162-3), .116

  • Snark Provo, UT
    June 10, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Deuce, The BYU Defense ended up ranked 4th in the country! The vast majority of the games we lost were by less than 7 points in low scoring affairs (even against Notre Dame, at Notre Dame). The defense kept us in most games and actually scored more points than the offense in others (see, e.g., our bowl game)! If not for brilliant defense, last season would have been a disaster. Now with an up-tempo offense and plenty of talent on the offensive side of the ball, improvement is inevitable.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 10, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    Howard S

    So what you are saying is that Utah got into the PAC 12 solely on their academic achievements and record because they do not have a gaudy record from their WAC/MWC days like BYU!!!
    That is pretty funny!!!
    Utah was given two gift wrapped season without having to play against the cream of the crop and could not win their division or finish above .500! It will be interesting to see how they do this year!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    June 10, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    It doesn't matter who he hires, how arrogant or stubborn he is, what defense he runs, who he chooses to play on and on. The only things that matter are 1. Nobody in the program should embarrass his employer. 2. Win enough games to be live up to the top 25 expectations. BYU needs to wait till the end of the season to sign the extension.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 10, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    GO_COUGARS! impostor

    Boise State never would have played in a bcs game if the Broncos hadn't first taken care of business in the WAC.

    -------------

    Howard

    A bad team is a bad team, regardless of which conference they're in.
    A good team is a good team, regardless of which conference they're in.

    Nobody except you and your hill troll buddies cares what your record against "bcs" teams is, if the only "bcs" teams you've beaten have losing records.

    Despite your frantic and emotional spin to the contrary, the difference between a Top 25 program and a two-hit flash-in-the-pan wannabe is this:

    Utah Ranked in AP Poll: 2 Times (Preseason), 5 Times (Final), 77 Weeks (Total)
    BYU Ranked in AP Poll: 11 Times (Preseason), 17 Times (Final), 236 Weeks (Total)

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 10, 2013 12:01 a.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    I've never said Utah got into the PAC because they were a national power...

    I do say that BYU's WAC/MWC glory is irrelevant in the modern world of big boy football and will not get BYU into a power conference.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    @truthmachine

    "Boise State made a name for themselves in the WAC."

    Wrong. Boise State made a name for themselves by beating good teams in BCS Bowls.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 9, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Stop pretending that the Utes were invited to the PAC because they're a national power. We all know that a team that's only cracked the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history doesn't deserve to even be mentioned in the same breath as a team that has:

    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy
    6 Hall of Fame Players
    15 National Individual Award Winners
    17 AP/18 Coaches Top 25 Finishes

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 9, 2013 10:39 p.m.

    Howard S. -

    Put up a winning season in the pac 11.1 before you put any more smack.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 9, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Howie:
    "Someone tells me that Bronco has 1 victory against a team ranked in the final polls... how many do GA and Florida have?"
    Well first of all, I know this isn't true because I can name three off the top of my head that finished the season ranked In The BCS, ap, or coaches polls, or all three (TCU '07, Utah '09, Oregon st '09) and that's just off the top of my head, I think there was another one somewhere in there.

    "Too much unexplained in your numbers, for example do you consider rankings at the time of the game or final pools? It makes a difference."
    At the time of the game, but the rankings for Florida and Georgia are also at game time, so equal in measure.

    "Also are you comparing 40 years for BYU with a different time frame (what does all-time for FLA mean?) It makes a difference".
    I only made the statement for the last 40 years for BYU because that's the timeframe you brought up. The Georgia and Florida numbers are all time, so there may be discrepancy here, but again I only brought up 40 years because you did.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 9, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    Alls I know is he should be the highest paid coach in the country if not the world.

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    June 9, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    Howard S.

    What difference does it make whether a ranked team is a "bcs" or "non-bcs" team?

    It's laughable that Utah fans beat their chest about beating FOUR ranked teams in 2008, when only two of those ranked teams were "bcs" teams.

    It's quite obvious that Utah fans only make distinctions between the two when it suits their biased purpose.

    The truth is, BEING a ranked team is a MUCH bigger accomplishment than BEATING a ranked team.

    The only reason Utah fans pretend that being ranked isn't a superior accomplishment is because the Utes have been so pathetic at BEING ranked.

    U have absolutely no concept of what it takes to be a perennial Top 25 team for four decades.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Dear Howard S. You apparently have amnesia when it comes to Utah. All those WAC years Utah was side-by-side with BYU in the WAC/MWC conferences, so you played anemic teams also and your record was not good then. Your undefeated seasons were against weaker MWC opponents (which you hold against BYU. A few wins against two BCS teams seems to make you greater than sliced bread in your eyes. You are a bottom feeder in a week PAC 10+2 and will be for years. I wish it wasn't so, but it will be the way for quite some time.

    Your lack of acceptance that you played week teams also is on the same level of Nelson refusing to admit he was injured and could not perform. He, and Doman, believing him week after week is the cause of our 8-5 season. Riley was not just stubborn, but was not completely honest in his continuing to claim he was healthy. He proved week after week he was not healthy at all.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    While I take with a grain of salt your statements on number of BYU ranked opponents and wins... even if true, you'll have to be a little more specific to be meaningful.

    Too much unexplained in your numbers, for example do you consider rankings at the time of the game or final pools? It makes a difference.

    Also are you comparing 40 years for BYU with a different time frame (what does all-time for FLA mean?) It makes a difference.

    If your going to make comparisons, be specific and consistent.

    So how does Florida and GA compare to Bronco's record of victories against teams ranked in the final polls? Someone tells me that Bronco has 1 victory against a team ranked in the final polls... how many do GA and Florida have?

    Try that...

  • FanOfAllUtahTeams nsl, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    Great Teams require a good QB. Both BYU and the U have struggled in that department lately, partly due to injuries. I liked both James Lark and Riley Nelson, but both threw a lot of bad passes (same can be said of Tebow and Favre to a lesser extent).
    I hope BYU and the U's QBs stay healthy this year.

  • FanOfAllUtahTeams nsl, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    1) Both BYU and Utah have beaten very good teams in the last 8 years - to exclude teams like TCU, Boise St., A.F. and USU (when they had good years) is just BCS-esque Arrogance. Before the U left, the MtnWest had a great record against the big boys, like Oklahoma, Alabama and UCLA (59-0).
    2) This last years BYU defense was awesome. It will be hard to duplicate.
    3) Neither BYU nor UofU are likely to match the UofU's success in 2004 and 2008 in the near future. BYU's schedule this year is very difficult and Utah's is even harder.
    4) To Silent Lurker - Going 5-8 is not mathematically possible this year - but yes 5-7 would be hard to take.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    @Truth Machine

    A WAC power is not a national power.

    A gaudy winning record in the WAC/MWC may garner the Cougars national attention... but it doesn't make BYU a national power, especially when the Cougar's record against major conference teams is mediocre at best.

    If BYU were a national power it would have it's choice of conferences to join... like ND.

    BYU as WAC/MWC power remains on the outside looking in.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 9, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    Howie:
    Read carefully. Since you want to quote the past 40 yrs...since 1972 BYU has played 69 nationally ranked opponents. They are 28-41 against those opponents (about 40%). So unless Goergia and Florida are in fact NOT nationally respected programs, BYU deserves respect in regards to their accomplishments and their winning percentage against good competition.

    Also look at my previous post, Whitt has a lower win percentage against ranked opponents, and BCS ranked opponents than bronco Mendenhall. So unless you're calling for Kyle's head you might want to back off Mendenhall. Broncos 36% is very similar to Florida's all time 39% against ranked opponents.

    Now do you really want me to try again, or go further?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 9, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Amazing to see all the poor little BYU-obsessed Utes jumping on here. I read the article and didn't see anything about Utah so am scratching my head about why this is interesting to these people. Who cares what you think about BYU and Mendenhall? Really...

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Certainly BYU is on the list of top 25 rankings... that is fact.

    It is also fact that BYU achieved those rankings by its success against WAC level competition."

    BYU became a national power as a WAC team. Boise State made it's name in the WAC.

    The only fans who whine about BYU's success during their WAC era, are whiny Utah fans whose team did absolutely NOTHING during their 37 years in the WAC.

    It's laughable that Utah fans try to minimize BYU's success in the WAC, when Utah's only real success in their entire history occurred in the MWC, which was basically the same core group of teams as the WAC.

    The hypocrisy of Utah fans knows no bounds.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT

    "Most teams have .500 or close records against ranked opponents."

    Read carefully Cougsndawgs... BYU's 43% record over 40 years is not against "ranked" teams, its against all major conference teams that it has played ranked or not (mostly unranked).

    In Broncos tenure against "ranked" teams BYU isn't close to 50%... he is 36% against ranked teams.

    Against "ranked" BCS teams Bronco has a 22% record.

    So no... BYU's record against ranked opponents isn't close to legitimately strong teams in power conferences that earn their rankings week in and week out against 1st tier competition.

    Whatever BYU has accomplished has been against 2nd tier WAC/MWC/BigWest/BigSky competition.

    Try again...

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Use to love BYU football..now I find it so boring. Not sure if it's due to the program or if my priorities have just changed. Probably both.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    I think Mendenhall realized Tom Homoe was willing to give him the level of coaching control he wanted when he allowed him to force Lance Reynolds into retirement. After 2010 Anae realized he couldn't stay with a program with a disgruntled Lance Reynolds who had been passed over by the BYU administration twice (2000 & 2004) for the head job, and at that point Reynolds wasn't going anywhere just yet. But after 2012 when Reynolds passed the 401k-anuity conversion age of 58.5, both Holmoe and Bronco realized they could make a coaching move that would make the personnel situation more palitable. Unlike Gary Crowton when LaVell retired, Bronco can pick and choose his own people, and this represents a huge paradigm shift for BYU.

    But the bigger paradigm shift will still be forthcoming since league alignment is still more unsettled with an undersized Big 12, that BYU still remains a target for along with perhaps another MWC school or two. Bronco wants to be the transition coach for this when (as opposed to if) it comes.

    @Howard S Your Utes were teh WAC 2nd tier BYU loved to much on for 2 of those decades!

  • Sambonethegreat Logan, UT
    June 9, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    I somewhat agree with Howard S. BYU has a very good record against WAC/MWC type competition, but they can't seriously lay claim that they are as good as true legacy programs like Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, or USC. (Not trying to troll here, just saying how I see it.)

    Bronco rarely struggles against lesser teams, but he clearly struggles against bigger teams. Whitt on the other hand sometimes struggles with smaller teams, but he more frequently wins the bigger games.

    Neither coach should be thrown under the bus... yet. Bronco needs to prove he can win with a tough schedule, and Whitt needs to prove he can compete with the PAC-12.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 9, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    Howie:
    You aren't getting the point. Most teams have .500 or close records against ranked opponents. I'm a Georgia fan, and they were also listed in Athlons top 25 dynasties. Do you know what their all time record is against ranked opponents...41%. Nearly identical to BYUs. Alabama's?...49%. Florida's?...39%. ND's?...57% (and that's #2 percentage all time against ranked opponents). You want to act like BYUs winning percentage over the last 40 years against ranked opponents is bad, when it fact it is very much the norm when compared to other great college football programs.
    So your argument that they've accomplished everything against weak opponents is disingenuous, when they have performed very similarly to great historical football programs against ranked opponents.

  • BYU Fan in DC Washington, DC
    June 9, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    A guarantee BYU will have a winning season this year. I am pumped!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    June 9, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    Bronco and his band of blunders was responsible for 54-10. I hope they resign him for life.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 9, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    @toomanytorespondto:

    Here is the deal Cougar fans...

    Certainly BYU is on the list of top 25 rankings... that is fact.

    It is also fact that BYU achieved those rankings by its success against WAC level competition.

    Other teams on that list achieved their ranking by success against major conference competition.

    Over a period 40 years and in Bronco's tenure the facts show that BYU has a losing record against competition from major conferences.

    While the Cougars are great a beating 2nd tier competition... when it comes to competition from major conferences BYU has shown itself to be mediocre at best.

    So... perhaps it's time for Cougar fans to face the reality that while they may be on the lists, they are far from equivalent to teams from major conferences that prove themselves week in and week out against top tier competition.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 9, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    Howard,

    Perhaps these Cougar fans have read the ESPN 2009 list of top 25 most prestigious college football programs. BYU was listed as a top 25 team.

    It is NOT just BYU fans that say BYU has a legacy.

  • Elwood P. Suggins BEAVERTON, OR
    June 9, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    I don't believe that Mendenhall has EVER said he was "anxious" to negotiate a new contract or contract extension. You say he is. He may be, but he's never said anything like that.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    Silent Lurker

    "Bronco knows that his win percentage will take a hit with an improved future schedules..."

    During the Independent/PAC era:

    Wins versus FBS teams with winning records
    Bronco 4/11 (36%)
    Kyle 3/13 (23%)

    Losses to FBS teams with losing records
    Bronco 1/12 (8%)
    Kyle 2/10 (20%)

    Bronco has been doing a better job of beating good teams and not losing to bad teams than his counterpart up north.

    2012 wasn't such a bad season, it was more a huge disappointment because of a lot of wasted potential - it should have been at least a 10- or 11-win season with 3 or 4 wins versus Top 25 teams.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    June 9, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    How many articles are they going to write about Bronco's contract? It's just a way to stir the pot between Utah and BYU fans.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    June 9, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    Coach Anae came back to BYU for a reason, and is the future; all parties know this.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 9, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    @wazzup:

    It wasn't all Bronco's fault I don't think. Riley should share the blame for being too proud to accept the fact he was hurt and should've told Bronco to let someone else took over. But, I guess his ego was too big and he wanted to prove he was tough and could make things happen. Unfortunately, it led to us losing some games we shouldn't have lost.

    Go Cougars! And go Utes too! And here's hoping you will win all your games except one. I know that'll make my friend Chris B and all his other buddies livid but it would sure make me cheery and blissfully delighted! Btw, if Bronco loses to Whit again this year, I'm going to personally recommend to Holmoe to nix the proposed multi million dollar contract he's seeking and replace it with 3 years worth of food stamps! lol! So are you hearing me Bronc? BEAT UTAH THIS YEAR, DANG IT!!!

  • Blue Cougar Oak Harbor, WA
    June 9, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    @Howard S. Howie, really, if you spent as much time promoting the Utes as you do ripping the Cougs, you'd probably enjoy life much better. Sometimes you anti-Cougs act as though the world ends at the Utah border! Why don't you spend some time comparing the Utes versus Stanford, or USC, or UCLA?

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 9, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Re: Howard S.

    I am sure that the wannabes up North are jealous of BYU's accomplishments and it appears your comments are proof of that.

    If you want to contest BYU's top 25 dynasty rating, why don't you give us your professional credentials.

    Are you a professional, national sports writer?

    I thought so.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 9, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Interesting psychoanalysis of Coach Mendenhall. Perhaps being head football coach at BYU takes an extraordinary man given the world wide fan base, the honor code at BYU and the scrutiny those two things brings with it that no other university athletic program is blessed with. Because of these differences, there is an internal and an external increased level of expectation at BYU; "the bar really has been raised" at BYU. The man that can balance all of that, please critics and win every game hasn't been born yet and yet some fickle fans and critics demand more of Bronco Mendenhall than they would of say-Kyle Whittingham for example. As another amateur psychoanalysis of coach Mendenhall, I would say that unlike most other head coaches, football isn't the most important part of his job, building men is. As Peter Drucker said, "Good managers (insert coaches) do things right, good leaders do the right things (insert moral coaching). At that, Bronco Mendenhall excels!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 9, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Can we please stop with the Utah homers' naive BYU bashing? Given Utah's pathetic record in the PAC12, they have absolutely nothing to say. Utah is on nobody's radar screen. Nobody.

    As for you Bronco bashers, well, we'll see. I've been watching BYU football since the early Lavell years. Bronco's record is as good as Lavell's to this point. Lavell put BYU on the map, and I'm pretty convinced that Bronco will put BYU in the national conversation. Undefeated? Maybe not, but consistent top 25? I can see that happening.

    Forget Heaps and Nelson. That bizarre stuff won't happen again. You can bet on that.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 9, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    Bronco knows that his win percentage will take a hit with an improved future schedules..so now is a perfect time for a contract extension. If last year was a bad season at 8-5 can you imagine what will happen if this year is 5-8? If that happens, I guarantee their will be calls for a new head coach. Smart move Bronco.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 9, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    NO excuse for playing a player with a broken back. NONE. Does it really take reflection to figure that out. My grandson could have told you that. the biggest problem Bronco has is his stubbornness. He would rather put a player and team at risk just to prove a point. After one disastrous game from Riley, after his obvious injury, without skipping a beat, Bronco said Riley is still the starter. C'mon how nonsensical is that?

    I like Bronco but he has this major flaw! Arrogance and stubbornness. He wants to prove his actions right at the expense of the health of a player as well as putting the team in the best position to win.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    June 9, 2013 12:14 a.m.

    Hey Bronco beat my Aggies.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    June 9, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    @habib
    I have no clue what crowd you run with but I know absolutely no one who wanted to retain Doman. Having said that, Doman is a great guy and none of this is personal. Too many bizarre factors played into the mediocre '12 season which should have been a ten win season. As in any disaster, heads must role. Doman was one of those heads and only time will tell whether he has what it takes to be a factor in the fickle world of WINNING @ football.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 9, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    Also Howie...Oregon State in 2009 finished ranked #19 in the final BCS rankings, so Mendenhall did beat a BCS team that finished the year ranked. Also, Oregon State did finish #25 in the 2008 BCS final rankings, so whit did have 2 wins against BCS teams that FINISHED the season ranked, but none since Alabama still.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    howie

    You're grasping at straws with your selective stats and biased analysis that only proves how desperately jealous you are that BYU is a Top 25 Legacy Program, and U aren't.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 8, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    Howie:
    FOLLOW THE LINK...sheesh. Athlon sports named BYUs '79-'85 run as a top 25 CFB dynasty. That's what the article is referring to, NOT BRONCO MENDENHALL.
    But while we're on the subject, Kyle Whittingham has a 6-15 record against ranked opponents (29%), and a 2-8 record against BCS ranked opponents (20%). Utah has not beaten a single team that has been ranked in the final BCS or AP rankings since Alabama. And the only BCS team ranked at the end of the year (BCS final rankings) that Kyle W has beaten is Alabama (that weak 8-5 Oregon St team Utah beat by a FG in 08 wasn't BCS ranked at the end of the year). Lends a whole new perspective to your Mendenhall bashing doesn't it? Now do you really want me to follow that up with Utah's record against major conferences for the last 40 years? Trust me, you don't want me to because it only gets worse...this is why Utah isn't even discussed as a legacy top 25 team. I know it makes you jealous and whiney and we're sorry for that (not).

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    June 8, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    How does Bronco justify an 8-5 record last year when he states that: "He has marveled at how the 2012 defense progressed and performed, finishing in the top five or 10 in numerous categories". Most programs with that type of defense typically are playing in a BCS bowl game for a share of the title. What happened at San Jose State? Bronco has only done half of the job and needs to be replaced if the program is to improve and move forward. Again, the BYU AD said there would be significant changes to the program and I have seen nothing to warrant such a comment. Change the head coach if you want a different outcome.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 8, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Sorry we don't meet your definition of legacy program. Sorry U don't meet anyone's definition of legacy program.

    But I ain't gonna lie, I get pretty tickled when national institutions talk about BYU as a legacy program. Yeah, I like the sound of that!

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    Howard- look at the link and then argue with the AP Poll if you don't like the result.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    43% for the last 40 years includes all conference members of conferences ranking higher than the WAC/MWC. (including WASU and Colorado)

    Now lets consider Bronco's record against elite teams... If you consider ranked teams Bronco has a winning record of 36%.

    If you consider ranked BCS teams at the time of the game Bronco has winning record of 22%.

    And if you consider BCS teams ranked at the end of the year Bronco has a winning record of 0%.

    Not really the stuff of a legacy top 25 team... is it?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 8, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    Two for:
    "When's the last time you heard somebody claim Utah had a top 25 legacy program? There's the difference".

    Why would Utah claim themselves a top 25 legacy? They didn't accomplish and haven't accomplished anywhere near what BYU has. Btw that claim is made by Athlon for BYU. There's the difference...no one outside Utah's fan base is claiming it for Utah either...again why would they? BYU has an argument regardless of who their competition was because of their success. Utah, on the other hand, played the same competition and didn't accomplish what BYU did, not even close.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    June 8, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    The comment about the legacy program is a link. Apparently, the people who are commenting about it didn't actually follow the link. Otherwise, they might be making more informed comments about the use of the phrase.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    @ Wiscougarfan

    When's the last time you heard somebody claim Utah had a top 25 legacy program? There's the difference.

    @ IdahoCoog

    You can't compare Utah football in 2010 and BYU football in 2012 as a barometer for where the programs currently are. We'll get a real sense after this season, with both teams playing very competitive schedules.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 8, 2013 9:33 p.m.

    RE: Howard S.

    Seriously? That's the best you can do? Very very few programs have high winning percentages against elite competition. Of course your slight only works depending on how you define "the big boys." I hope you aren't including teams like Washington State and Colorado in that category. They are no better or worst than the cupcakes everyone else plays, regardless of their elite BCS, conference of champions standing (dripping with sarcasm).

    FYI, Since Utah entered the illustrious PAC12 they are exactly 4-10 against teams that ended the season with winning records with two of those wins coming over the team they "have moved on" from. The other two wins? Montana State, Georgia Tech. Of course before 2011 Utah played the same “second tier competition” BYU did.

    As you said... Not really much to be proud of.

  • IdahoCoog Malad City, ID
    June 8, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    Howard, good buddy, compare the results of BYU versus Notre Dame, and Utah versus Notre Dame. That difference should give you a pretty good notion of where the two teams are, and who was overwhelmed and who was not. I too questioned the rehire of Anae, but have been converted by his new enthusiasm, his new brand of run hard play fast offense, and I just love the hires he has brought in.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    Top 25 Legacy Program?

    In the last 40 years BYU has a 77% winning record when playing WAC/MWC or lower tier competition.

    When BYU plays competition from upper tier conferences its winning record is 43%.

    If BYU has a legacy it's based on success against second tier competition... not success against the big boys.

    Not really much to be proud of.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 8, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    I got to say, Dick, you are pretty brave doing and article stating what Bronco is "thinking" without doing an interview with him. I think your assessment is pretty good, though. I take it he won't give you the time of day? Anyway, it is probably pretty difficult doing a article like that without a single quote from the object of your story.
    But nice job, anyway.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    No matter what Bronco does there will be questions. Bronco needs a good season to clear the air of the Riley Nelson issues. This is a big turning point season for BYU, so hopefully things can come through for them. I was really hesitant to take on Robert Anae again, but from what I have seen, he has made positive improvements in the offense. This should be a great season if everything comes to fruition.

  • Habib Assi Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 8, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    I don't know anyone who wonders why Doman was not retained--where does this come from--Provo homers?