Some experts are pushing to end restaurant tipping


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  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Dec. 17, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    People will receive good tips if they do a good job. I am a generous tipper. There is a big difference in the quality of service. Some individuals are lazy, the come to the table with an attitude, they are hard to understand, etc. These folks won't get good tips, but it is not because of who they are, but how they do their job. Eliminate tipping and food cost will go up and everyone will have bad service.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 11, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    If we get rid of tips, should we also get rid of other jobs where they are essentially paid a comission.

    Should we stop paying car salesmen comissions?

    How about realestate agents, should we also get rid of their comission?

    How many other jobs are there where the base salary is small because they are paid on a comission of their sales? How would that impact sales?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 11, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    I might go for this. Make sure all the employees are paid a decent wage. If there is a minimum wage, they should be paid that. Employers should not undercut this pay relying on their workers to get tips to offset that difference. Employers should not dip into their employees tips either, that should be used for the server/buser/cook etc. that combined to provide the service. I don't want a tip added to my bill, if I come into a restaurant with several people, I don't want 18% added to my bill. The menu price is what I should be charged. The restaurant should be paying a decent base wage and any tips would augment, not replace, that wage.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    June 11, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Good service by and large equals good tips. If someone is a lousy waiter, they don't deserve good tips. If you pay everyone the same regardless of effort or ability, you will see a decrease in the level of service and good workers will leave the industry and go somewhere where their efforts are rewarded.

    Everyone doesn't deserve and "A", a trophy, or the same pay.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Hmmm so everyone should be paid the same for not doing the same quality of work?

    If I have a bad server, I should have the right to pay them what they're worth. When I have a fantastic server they will be paid what it is worth.

    If you pay everyone the same across the board, then there is zero incentive to do a good job. As is with welfare, you get it no matter what you do, and no one else is trying so why should I? mentality will go around.

    I guess I will just give up on eating out now that my choice and freedom to pay people for what they are worth has been taken away.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    June 10, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Fair wage??? Decent wage??? The government shouldn't be involved in any of it. The very astute Dr. Thomas Sowell as well as Dr. Walter Williams have written about the harmful effects of the minimum wage on blacks and with both being black and coming from very poor backgrounds can fully appreciate the problems. The government never does anything efficient. The market place will eventually prevail and people will be paid what they are worth and to their skill level. I have known waiters who have made a very good living starting a lower level, learning how to do it well, and then moving into high scale establishments and making very good tips. Just like any job.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 9, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    It is strange that those that do the best earn the most in tips. Liberals would certainly call that discrimination. They think that the server that messes up the order, who is rude, lazy, and careless should be paid the same as the best, most productive employee. This would make servers just like the teacher's union.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 9, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    If you care about someone, you'll let them know.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    How about those of you who haven't actually listened to the podcast go listen to it. They make a lot of valid points. That being said, I say keep the tipping, but for people to disagree with these smart guys, one of whom has made a career out of it, is ridiculous. I discovered their podcast a week ago and have learned a lot from it.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 9, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    Silly me, I give gratuity, I still think by being grateful shows good manners. Please and thank-you honors people. Respect and trust is earned. It's the little things that makes things big.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 2:10 a.m.

    "I'm a little suspicious of this article."

    And I'm a little suspicious of you and your post. I think your argument is specious. I think you are spinning this in an effort to come across as someone who has the best interests of the server at heart. I think you are a restaurateur yourself who understands that if tips were abolished -- if Americans were not so dumb and gullible to accept the non-sensical notion that a server serving a $25 dollar dish somehow deserves to be paid more than a server serving a $7 dollar dish; if Americans put on their thinking caps and realized restaurateurs ought to be paying their people more than a lousy two dollars an hour -- restaurateurs all of a sudden would have to start paying their people a fair wage for a change, instead of palming this off to their diners who already are paying an exorbitant price for their food.

    After all, avoiding paying one's fellow American a fair wage is the name of the game for many employers in this country, especially in Utah.

    And despite the subtle fear mongering, menu prices need not go up at all.

  • Kaotic USA, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    Tipping is an incentive to service employees to give good service or to do a good job. Without tipping, I believe the service will be not as good or the job will not get done in an efficient manner and the service employees turnover rate will be substantially higher. Nobody will come out ahead if tipping is done away with. Most people who receive tips need this money to survive.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    June 8, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    So if tipping is eliminated. What is the motivation for a server to do a good job? As it is bad servers are weeded out; because they receive poor tips. Good servers make more money then they will admit. And why should they? so they can be taxed more.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 8, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure it's against the law in most states to pay wages below minimum wage. Tips have always been above and beyond my wage when I was a student working at a restaurant.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 8, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    You should tip if you feel service was good. I.e. the whole point of the tipping system.
    Remove the incentive and service will necessarily go down ( sorry, we don't live in a utopia)

    In most countries outside u.s. ( rather, my experiences in Europe and s. America.), tips are mandatory, and already come with the bill. I believe that is more of an underhanded way to get you to eat at a restaurant, thinking prices are low, and then... BAMM...bill is 15 to 20% more.

    Bribes are also much more common outside U.S. - 2 hour wait to get into a show or club? 30 bucks does wonders! I never tried that in the u.s. As long as we are trying so hard to be like "the rest of the world", lets make it more socially acceptable to pay bribes. It works so well in Venezuela Argentina and Brazil (sarcasm intended).

    Tipping rewards those who give better service. It isn't perfect, but that is a reflection of society.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 8, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    Businesses are putting the burden on us. Tipping used to be 10%. Then it kept going up and up. People are paying 20-25%.
    Vegas is worse. I took a bus tour of Hoover Dam and the tour guide on the bus told us to be generous with our tips in town because the poor workers needed it to live on.
    Tip however you want, but don't get extorted by some arbitrary customary expectation.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    June 8, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    Part of the duty of an employee is to bring money to there employer. An employer cannot pay what he does not have. If you bring money to your employer you should be awarded the appropriate bonuses. Should someone pay you for producing.

    For tipping one pet peeve of mine is Restaurants that put the tip in your bill. That should be to the discretion of customers. Also how much do you tip deliverers of food, taxis and the like. Is that expected.

    I used to never tip hairdressers. Had budget impaired companion who tipped with my support money though you are not to borrow or lend. Said that was etiquette and if you don't spend fast you can help those that do. Tipping should be optional not expected.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 8, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    End tipping and pay servers a decent wage. End of story.

  • estudiante GRAND RAPIDS, MI
    June 8, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    Tipping is best. It should spread to more jobs, not fewer. To the poster who said "The current arrangement doesn't provide a forum for thanking the cooks, etc." When I was a waiter, I always tipped my host, my busmen, my bartenders and my cooks. About half my tips went to others.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    June 8, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    Waiters and Waitresses go into the business knowing full well what they are getting into. It is already 'fair.' You don't HAVE to be a server if you don't want to. However, if you provide great service, you can make more money than a lot of other types of jobs.

    If you are one that thinks it's unfair and tipping should be ended and the the restaurant should pay a 'fair' wage, get out of the business.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    June 8, 2013 7:40 p.m.

    I like the European model best, include gratuity into the cost of the meal. If the service was exceptional, leave an additional buck or two.

  • A Chem Engineer Pocatello, ID
    June 8, 2013 7:04 p.m.

    I couldn't disagree with the professor (and some commenters) more, on several grounds:

    1) Tipping is intended to give indication to a service provider about the quality of their service, and motivation to provide good service. Just because more and more in our disintegrating American culture don't know how to tip, does not change this fact.

    2) Tipping is uniquely American because our country was founded on the principles of individual liberty and accountability - a totally foreign concept in the world in 1787, and even more so today (and sadly, becoming more so here as well - see #1 above). What the professor suggests is tantamount to Socializing this sector of our economy - you get paid regardless of your performance - therefore no need to strive to be your best.

    3) I also usually tip between 20-30%, and never less than $3.00 unless it is just a shake or something. However, when I get a waitress who only has two tables, and one of them is a couple friends, and I am totally neglected while she flirts (they come in after me, eat & leave before I get my cold meal), I tip about 50 cents - sends a necessary message.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    June 8, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    What they need to do is change the laws so they cannot get away with paying less than minimum wage and expect tips to make up the difference..

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 8, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    I like the idea of the price on the menu being the actual price.

    Considering that there is not decision in life that involves money that does not discriminate against those you don't give the money to, I strongly favor discrimination. If you outlaw discrimination you outlaw freedom. The only difference between freedom and a dictatorship comes down to one thing: who makes the decisions.

    One of the biggest problems with tipping is unscrupulous managers. I know of restaurant managers who take a portion of the tips for themselves. This is theft from their employees and these people should go to jail.

    I don't think that a tip should be expected but if I want to leave a tip for exceptional service then I think I should be able to do that. In as much as I prefer pretty young blonds I would probably leave them a bigger tip, if for no other reason than to irritate the good professor.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    June 8, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Here, here! Tipping is just one more American anomaly that complicates the world as it is. Pay servers minimum wage, and price meals accordingly. Consumer costs don't change, and America joins the League of World Diners!

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    "Waiters should be paid a set wage. Diners should not be extorted into giving a higher percentage of their bill as tips by greedy servers."


    I could not agree more.

    Please everyone. Help put an end to this ridiculous and grossly unfair, on many levels and for many reasons, practice.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    June 8, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    Utah teacher:
    It is now illegal for a teacher to accept tips or gifts worth more than $50. The legislature watches everyone except themselves!

  • Utah Teacher Orem, UT
    June 8, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    I made more money in tips for parking cars as a valet in So Cal than I did my first year as a teacher in Utah.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    June 8, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    L O L !!!

    And some people wonder why we make so much fun of academics.

  • oldasdirt Grantsville, UT
    June 8, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    Please tell me that this pinhead's papers were not paid for with tax dollars.

    June 8, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Perhaps the reason that some people want to outlaw tipping is because many tipped employees don't report their tips as income. How much of this unreported income is the government missing out on? The government will never have enough of our money. It must be reigned in and live within its means.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    I'm a little suspicious of this article.

    Servers generally earn better than $10/hour (and more) when tips are added to their pay.

    Suppose the restaurant abolishes tipping, and adds 20% to the cost of everything on their menu. What are the odds that restaurant owners would then actually give the extra 20% to their servers?

    Servers going from $2.13/hour plus $10+/hour in tips to a flat rate that will likely be at or near the minimum wage hour when diners pay the extra 20% to abolish tipping doesn't strike me as a good deal for anyone except restaurant owners.

    Meanwhile, I'm happy to tip.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    June 8, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    A tip is a cross between a reward and a bribe. I leave 20% to 25% tips because I want to express appreciation. Still, that isn't much money for a small bill. The current arrangement doesn't provide a forum for thanking the cooks, etc., and without a doubt the amount of the tip is affected by the overall service. For that reason, I would prefer that wages of service employees were increased, and I'll express my satisfaction with a short survey after the meal.

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    June 8, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    I've traveled to six continents and the USA is the only place where tipping is a standard practice. I have to say, I like it much more when the menu says an item is 15-dollars and it is just that. 15-dollars out the door, tax and tip included. Such a better and more sensible practice.

    Like many businesses, ones that outsource to China/India or hire illegals, the American way is simply so the owners can make more money without having to pay a livable wage to workers.

  • Jacob_Z Brigham City, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Do away with tips. Waiters and waitresses should be paid a fair wage, rather than being dependent on tips for their livelihood. They put in the same amount of hours whether the restaurant is busy or not, whether they have the good fortune to wait on a big tipper or not. If this means that restaurants have to raise prices, so be it. At least prices on the menu will then be the real price of the meal.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    If someone didn't want to do business with me because I'm a Latter-day Saint, I may not like it but I do believe it is their right.

    Now about a principle inherent in this story:

    Whether it's a social 'rule of conduct', a law, or a city ordinance... what we accept and refuse shouldn't be a matter of 'allowing' behavior. It should be a matter of encouraging right behavior and discouraging wrong behavior.

    Everyone wants change these days. We all want to change the world, change each other, and change society. You can't make up someone's mind for them. Improvement and progress require choosing to improve, not to be coerced or forced into it. That may be awfully conservative of me and it may seem unimportant as people think it "distracts from the issue", but it's the truth and it's right. The entire reason we have "issues" to address in the first place is because people take choices into their own hands that ought not be.

    Want to stop tipping, stop bullying, stop racism, stop all that is wrong? Teach people and spread the truth. Outlawing an act is counter-effective.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    Welcome to the world as it is. There is discrimination in virtually walk of life. Fat people, short men, less good looking people, racial minorities, all experience discrimination because of those attributes. People with the gift of a magnetic personality get benefits because of this. Short men make less money than taller men. Any of these attributes is likely to cause a person to be treated differently.