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  • county mom Monroe, UT
    June 7, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    I am neither a republican nor a democrat.
    I am a conservative. I am a Constitutionalist.
    I hated that the Bushes sign NAFTA and didn't close the borders to illegal immigration.
    I hatted that the even came up with and signed the Patriot Act.
    I got sick when Bush Senior talked about a "new world order"!
    This President has gone way beyond all that. He has trampled the Constitution, the highest law of this land and he has appointed himself dictator over us using executive orders. He does not care about about the working class Americans. He doesn't want us to have the American dream. If he did he would not vilify it.
    Now he has become very wealthy since he has become president and he will leave office, even if he is impeached, with loads of money and body guards.
    He does not give a crap about any of you who defend him! So wake up!

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    June 7, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    I see that there are many who do not know anything about history.
    no fit in SG, the Nazis did not take anyone to Siberia.
    They put them on a train to Poland or Austria or France, or one of the other "destinations".
    Many times the train was stopped and searched, if the Nazi's did like the look of you, you were shot. After all no one else had a gun.
    They strong armed all the people not just the Jews.
    Once Hitler had power, he surrounded himself with children and convinced the people to give over their guns to make the world safer. It did make it far safer for the Nazi.
    Hitler Had people in the Nazi party spy on their neighbors. He compiled massive amounts of information including bank accounts. This is how he knew the Jews had big money.
    Please take a history lesson. Learn about the world. You will see that it only took Hitler 6 years to destroy Germany and create war around the world.

    One evil man voted into office with lots of promises of hope and change turned himself into a dictator and started war and genocide killing millions.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 7, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    To "atl134" how about this. Rather than voting for a Progressive (Democrat or Republican) you vote for a Conservative that wants to conserve your freedom.

    Isn't trampling the constitution breaking the highest law of the US? Isn't spying, obtaining warrentless searches, and infringing the freedom of the press all against the constitution?

    If Obama hasn't broken any laws, then neither did Bush, which raises the question, Why did your ilk want to impeach him if he broke no laws?

    If you dig into the laws, Obama actually has broken laws but the politicians in Washington are too cowerdly to do anything about it. Obama has broken the law on recess apointments.

    First, Obama kept troops comitted to Libya longer than the US law allows. Second, according to recent testimony regarding the IRS scandal the orders came from Washington, that means that Obama broke the law that states that a President cannot use the IRS for political purposes. He authorized the FAA to try and regulate the internet, again against the law.

    Those are just a few laws that he has broken.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    @Redshirt1701
    "Why do you continue to support Obama. You agree that Obama is trampling the Constitution, yet you don't care. "

    So instead of voting for Democrats who about 1/2 of them voted for Patriot Act renewal I should vote for Republicans who almost unanimously voted for Patriot Act renewal? That doesn't seem logical. Nevermind that most Obama supporters generally agree with Obama on more other issues than Republicans so why would we vote for someone we agree with less just to stick it to Obama over one issue?

    "why is it that you and your ilk have yet to call for Obama to resign or for him to be impeached like you were doing when Bush was in office?"

    Because he hasn't broken the law when it comes to this matter (I don't like the law and want it repealed but it's the law).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    @lost in DC
    "thank you admitting BO renewed the Patriot Act. "

    Congress renewed it. It passed with a veto proof majority.

    "Obviouly the dems have NO PROBLEM with the Patriot Act, especially since they can convince their followers to blame it all on the repubs when there are any complaints about it."

    I blame them all except for people like Feingold (D-WI, voted out in 2010) who opposed it from the start. But what annoys me most is you hypocritical conservatives who didn't give a darn about this until a Democratic administration uses a law everyone in your caucus voted for.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 7, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    I will say it again. This is the Government the Founding Fathers warned us about!

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 7, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" you are wrong. Obama is executing laws that he enacted.

    Why do you continue to support Obama. You agree that Obama is trampling the Constitution, yet you don't care. If you actually cared about the destruction of our rights, why is it that you and your ilk have yet to call for Obama to resign or for him to be impeached like you were doing when Bush was in office?

    What good does it do to keep parroting the lie that everything bad started under Bush, when Obama is not only not stoping the damage, but is accelerating it and making it bigger?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 7, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    This has nothing to do with Verizon. This has everything to do with Obama's administration.

    ==========

    For once - Agreed Mike, but ---
    Obama is just executing the laws passed by the GW BUSH administration.

    The Trampling of the Constitution began with Bush,
    YOUR guy - YOU elected him twice.

    Where was YOUR outrage then?

    btw - Obama has just kept the music playing for the trampling to continue.

    I agree,
    In addition to the economic meltdown, WallStreet bailouts, and Middle Eastern Wars,
    it's time to Stop yet another mistake and trampling of the Constitution GW Bush started.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2013 7:04 p.m.

    "This has nothing to do with Verizon. This has everything to do with Obama's administration."
    Since you didn't read the article, here is something you missed. "...the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006."
    Hate to state the obvious here, but Obama didn't have an administration in 2006.

  • Whattheheck? Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    To me, it isn't so much about the politics, repub vs demo, Bush vs Obama, but it IS about ethics. What is right and wrong? Why does the line get blurred? Why is there many shades of gray instead of black and white? This NSA thing is a clear example of what is just plain WRONG! Just like Benghazi, IRS issue, AP reporter spying (it's covered up or buried in the media or sidestepped in the press briefings). Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Let's call a spade a spade and say that if nothing else, this administration and anyone who has anything to do with these issues are unethical!!! Why do we stand for this? I, for one, am outraged and I hope a whole lot of investigation is occurring and the full truth is brought out to us, the American people, because WE deserve it!!!

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    June 6, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    @m.g. scott --

    Obama apparantly either did not want them to stop it, or he did not have the power to ask members of his own party to stop it."

    Oh, that's hysterically funny. Really.

    236 Republicans voted for this extension. In effect, they galloped just as fast as they could right over that cliff -- after all, their good buddy BUSH loved the thing, and it was called the PATRIOT act, so it HAD to be a Good Thing, right?? Those 236 Republicans went galloping merrily along right off that cliff, managing to drag 88 Democrats with them. But now that something BAD has happened because of that act, oh, noooooo, now it's all Obama's fault because he didn't manage to stop the stampede??

    Let's do the math here -- 236 Republicans are stampeding, and they didn't stop galloping for the sake of one president. But you want to blame it all on that one man?? Really??

    I can hear the pitiful cries now. "Waaaaaa!!! Waaaaa!!! Yeah, sure, we stampeded off that cliff of our own free will, but he shoulda STOPPED us for our own good!! Waaaaaaaa!!!!"

    ;-D

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 6, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    If I'm not mistaken....

    Awhile ago - Conservatives were jumpin up and down about a new $1 Billion facility being built here to creat jobs...

    The largest NSA building in the Nation is being built right here in Utah?

    So -
    Utahns in Utah being employed there will be this very same nasty Big Brother "spying o nus" that these very same conservatives are also jumping up and down about.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    June 6, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    Contrarius

    There is NO way the veto proof majority happens in the Senate WITHOUT Democrat support. Obama apparantly either did not want them to stop it, or he did not have the power to ask members of his own party to stop it.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    June 6, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    @happy2bhere --

    "Obama had the last signature on it. He could have vetoed it."

    I guess you didn't notice that the extension passed with a veto-proof majority -- mostly Repubs -- in the Senate, and not far off of one in the House -- again, mostly Repubs.

    Or do you really want to blame Obama for the total of 236 Republicans who voted for the extension, as compared with only 88 total Dems who voted for it??

    And, of course, Bush could have saved us from all of this argument by vetoing it the first time around. But ohhhhh, nooooo, he just LOVED the thing.

    ;-D

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 6, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    atl134 and Contrarius

    A very weak argument trying to blame Republicans for the Patriot Act renewal when Obama had the last signature on it. He could have vetoed it. Its his, yours, so live with it. And by the way you make it sound like the Republicans had a majority in the Senate too. They haven't had the Senate since 2007. The Senate Democrats could have stopped the renewal too. Why hide from the truth?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 6, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with Verizon. This has everything to do with Obama's administration. Let us read the 4th Amendment together: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    Has the justice department signed millions of warrants per hour that describe the place to be searched, the person to be searched and the reason that the search is "warranted"?

    Lay this extreme abuse of our civil rights right where it belongs - at the feet of Barack Obama. Where was he when those in his administration pulled off this travesty of justice? Was he on the golf course? Was he bowling? Was he playing cards? Was he vacationing? Was he campaigning? He certainly wasn't doing his duty to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    June 6, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    @Hemlock --

    "the Patriot Act excludes domestic spying. ...Try another MSNBC line."

    Heh. I don't even have cable.

    Here's a few excerpts from the Patriot Act wiki --

    -----
    ...under Title II. Wiretaps were expanded...The Act allowed any district court judge in the United States to issue such surveillance orders...Search warrants were also expanded...to allow the FBI to gain access to stored voicemail through a search warrant, rather than through the more stringent wiretap laws.

    [....]Those who operate or own a "protected computer" can give permission for authorities to intercept communications carried out on the machine, thus bypassing the requirements of the Wiretap statute. The definition of a "protected computer" ...broadly encompasses those computers used in interstate or foreign commerce or communication, including (but not limited to -- my note) ones located outside the United States. The law governing obligatory and voluntary disclosure of customer communications by cable companies was altered to allow agencies to demand such communications under U.S.C. Title 18[....]

    Title II established three very controversial provisions: "sneak and peek" warrants, roving wiretaps and the ability of the FBI to gain access to documents that reveal the patterns of U.S. citizens.[....]
    -----

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    @Contrarius
    Not to confuse you with the facts but the Patriot Act excludes domestic spying. The WH specifically targeted domestic phone traffic and is not covered under the Patriot Act. Try another MSNBC line.

  • jma00a1 Boston/, MA
    June 6, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Looks like they crashed the Guardian News Website....everytime I try to access it i get a "Page not found"!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 6, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    atl134,
    thank you admitting BO renewed the Patriot Act.

    Obviouly the dems have NO PROBLEM with the Patriot Act, especially since they can convince their followers to blame it all on the repubs when there are any complaints about it.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    June 6, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    @lost in DC --

    "You cannot excuse BO from the Patriot Act. BO DID renew the Partiot Act."

    Keep trying.

    The extension passed in the House with the votes of 196 Republicans and only 54 Democrats voting for it.
    It passed the Senate with the votes of 40 Republicans and 34 Democrats voting for it.

    Make no mistake, it was the Repubs who renewed it.

    And now you get to reap the benefits.

    @Redshirt --

    "To "atl134" and "Contrarius" I hate to break it to you, but the Patriot Act expired in 2011. "

    I hate to break it to YOU, but the act was extended in May of 2011. By Republican majorities of "yes" votes in both houses.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    "You cannot excuse BO from the Patriot Act. BO DID renew the Partiot Act. it originally passed during the bush administration, but it had a sunset date. That sunset date came during the first two years of the BO misadministration. It was set to expire, but BO and the then DEM congress renewed it."

    It could've been stopped via GOP filibuster as is many things this day, but they had no complaints about the Patriot Act. The only Senators who launched any kind of effort to stop it were Democrats. They were woefully unsuccessful. At least now they'd probably have Paul, Lee, and Cruz with them but that's about it from the GOP so they'd still be short on votes by a lot (maybe they could wrangle up 10-15 Democrats and 5 Republicans).

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 6, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    To "atl134" and "Contrarius" I hate to break it to you, but the Patriot Act expired in 2011. Anything since then that is blamed on the Patriot Act should be attributed to the laws that have been made by the Democrats, including Obama.

    The fact is, what was done here was more likely done under the "Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act", which was written and executed last year under Obama, not part of the Patriot Act.

    Like it or not, your guy is the one that has ramped up the destruction of our constitutional rights to avoid warrantless searches.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 6, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    Contrarius,
    You cannot excuse BO from the Patriot Act. BO DID renew the Partiot Act. it originally passed during the bush administration, but it had a sunset date. That sunset date came during the first two years of the BO misadministration. It was set to expire, but BO and the then DEM congress renewed it. perhaps you can tell us why. Hmmmmm?

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 6, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    This one will be swept under by the lame stream media.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    June 6, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Take note conspiratorial DN readers.
    Perhaps if you think clearly about this issue, you will remember the bottom line in America, and the world is $MONEY$.
    Corporations, Media( which includes all Internet such as Facebook, Twitter, etc.), educational facilities, consumer research groups, marketing companies, etc, etc., want to know all about you and your favorites and purchasing habits.
    Nazi soldiers are not coming to your door to take you to Siberia where you will disappear forever.
    The above mentioned groups are laughing all the way to the bank.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    June 6, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    I wish I were an attorney. This seems like an open and shut case on a class action basis. Question: Can the President and members of the administration personally be brought up on charges other than impeachment for violations of fundamental constitutional rights?

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    June 6, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    I agree that this search and seizure is outrageous.

    And, boys and girls, this is what comes of the Patriot Act.

    And who passed the Patriot Act?? Hmmmm????

    Hint -- it wasn't Obama.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    June 6, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Verizon was given a court order. They did not break the law.
    The law was broken and the constitution trampled on when the fourth amendment was abused.
    This is illegal search and seizure.
    This particular president and his administration have no respect for our constitution or the American people as a whole.
    Not one of the bill of rights has any hold on the man nor does the rights of regular hard working Americans!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @Shaun
    "If this type of spying isn't unconstitutional then why even have a constitution?"

    I suppose the Patriot Act could be ruled unconstitutional since that's what was giving the authority for this.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 6, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Would one of the Obama cheerleaders explain and justify this to us please?

    Please don't say "its the fault of Glenn Beck, George Bush, and Fox news". You said that during the Benghazi hearings. There's only so many things you can blame on those folks.

    Maybe its time the liberals put down the koolaid and start watching the big boss.

  • incog99 McCall, ID
    June 6, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Vote with your pocketbook. This is all they understand. BOYCOTT VERIZON!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 6, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Leave it to the BO misadministration to outdo East Germany's Stasi.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 6, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    Spying on U.S. citizens.
    Supplying guns to Mexican drug gangs.
    Spying on Associated Press reporters.
    Intimidating TEA party organizations with the IRS.
    Ignoring pleas for help from our ambassador in Benghazi, Libya.
    Ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; plus military incursions into Pakistan.
    More than one million people in jails and prisons (highest in the entire World).

    Welcome to the Soviet States of Amerika.

    Land of the supposedly free, where government spies on its own people, puts them in gulags and forces them to buy health insurance or else.

  • simbaji SLC, UT
    June 6, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Behold the mighty land of the free! Free to submit to the will of the government, free to not resist government intrusion into the private details of your life, even in contradiction of it's own founding document.

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

    Vote out all politicians who support the Patriot Act and other various documents that are stripping Americans of their Constitutional rights.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 6, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    To Shaun:

    This article has absolutely nothing to do with gun rights. Nothing. There's no reason to intermix topics unless you're purposely trying to show a political bias. However, since you brought it up, everyone should be concerned about all of their private rights... regardless of what those rights entail. When the rights in one area are eroded, it makes it easier to start taking away other personal rights.

    The Constitution of the United States, as well as the Bill of Rights, are very broad in scope, yet list very specific rights. There are many other reasons for having our Constitution well beyond this particular subject matter. Everyone should take the time to become more familiar with those rights. The Constitution is one of the greatest documents mankind has ever created.

  • robtal bordentown, NJ
    June 6, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    I wonder why they need the records, the technology already exists to intercept overseas calls? I fear and have concern it is the same as water boarding they now use . We have the technology to administer pain free drugs to any enemy in our control to get any information without resistance. Yet we now torture. Our government has taken steps toward being overly covert,paranoid, and an enemy to the hole world and its own citizens. This has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with control and fear of its own citizens. Like Reagan said an evil empire only now it's our own government and its branches.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2013 5:14 a.m.

    Yet everyone is so concerned about their gun rights. If this type of spying isn't unconstitutional then why even have a constitution?