Yet everyone is so concerned about their gun rights. If this type of spying
isn't unconstitutional then why even have a constitution?
I wonder why they need the records, the technology already exists to intercept
overseas calls? I fear and have concern it is the same as water boarding they
now use . We have the technology to administer pain free drugs to any enemy in
our control to get any information without resistance. Yet we now torture. Our
government has taken steps toward being overly covert,paranoid, and an enemy to
the hole world and its own citizens. This has nothing to do with national
security and everything to do with control and fear of its own citizens. Like
Reagan said an evil empire only now it's our own government and its
To Shaun:This article has absolutely nothing to do with gun rights.
Nothing. There's no reason to intermix topics unless you're purposely
trying to show a political bias. However, since you brought it up, everyone
should be concerned about all of their private rights... regardless of what
those rights entail. When the rights in one area are eroded, it makes it easier
to start taking away other personal rights.The Constitution of the
United States, as well as the Bill of Rights, are very broad in scope, yet list
very specific rights. There are many other reasons for having our Constitution
well beyond this particular subject matter. Everyone should take the time to
become more familiar with those rights. The Constitution is one of the greatest
documents mankind has ever created.
Behold the mighty land of the free! Free to submit to the will of the
government, free to not resist government intrusion into the private details of
your life, even in contradiction of it's own founding document."But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is
their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new
Guards for their future security."Vote out all politicians who
support the Patriot Act and other various documents that are stripping Americans
of their Constitutional rights.
Spying on U.S. citizens.Supplying guns to Mexican drug gangs.Spying
on Associated Press reporters.Intimidating TEA party organizations with
the IRS.Ignoring pleas for help from our ambassador in Benghazi, Libya.Ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; plus military incursions into
Pakistan.More than one million people in jails and prisons (highest in the
entire World).Welcome to the Soviet States of Amerika.Land of the supposedly free, where government spies on its own people, puts
them in gulags and forces them to buy health insurance or else.
Leave it to the BO misadministration to outdo East Germany's Stasi.
Vote with your pocketbook. This is all they understand. BOYCOTT VERIZON!
Would one of the Obama cheerleaders explain and justify this to us please?Please don't say "its the fault of Glenn Beck, George Bush, and
Fox news". You said that during the Benghazi hearings. There's only
so many things you can blame on those folks.Maybe its time the
liberals put down the koolaid and start watching the big boss.
@Shaun"If this type of spying isn't unconstitutional then why
even have a constitution?"I suppose the Patriot Act could be
ruled unconstitutional since that's what was giving the authority for this.
Verizon was given a court order. They did not break the law.The law was
broken and the constitution trampled on when the fourth amendment was abused.
This is illegal search and seizure.This particular president and his
administration have no respect for our constitution or the American people as a
whole.Not one of the bill of rights has any hold on the man nor does the
rights of regular hard working Americans!
I agree that this search and seizure is outrageous.And, boys and
girls, this is what comes of the Patriot Act.And who passed the
Patriot Act?? Hmmmm????Hint -- it wasn't Obama.
I wish I were an attorney. This seems like an open and shut case on a class
action basis. Question: Can the President and members of the administration
personally be brought up on charges other than impeachment for violations of
fundamental constitutional rights?
Take note conspiratorial DN readers.Perhaps if you think clearly about
this issue, you will remember the bottom line in America, and the world is
$MONEY$.Corporations, Media( which includes all Internet such as Facebook,
Twitter, etc.), educational facilities, consumer research groups, marketing
companies, etc, etc., want to know all about you and your favorites and
purchasing habits.Nazi soldiers are not coming to your door to take you to
Siberia where you will disappear forever.The above mentioned groups are
laughing all the way to the bank.
This one will be swept under by the lame stream media.
Contrarius,You cannot excuse BO from the Patriot Act. BO DID renew the
Partiot Act. it originally passed during the bush administration, but it had a
sunset date. That sunset date came during the first two years of the BO
misadministration. It was set to expire, but BO and the then DEM congress
renewed it. perhaps you can tell us why. Hmmmmm?
To "atl134" and "Contrarius" I hate to break it to you, but the
Patriot Act expired in 2011. Anything since then that is blamed on the Patriot
Act should be attributed to the laws that have been made by the Democrats,
including Obama.The fact is, what was done here was more likely done
under the "Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act", which was written and
executed last year under Obama, not part of the Patriot Act.Like it
or not, your guy is the one that has ramped up the destruction of our
constitutional rights to avoid warrantless searches.
@lost in DC"You cannot excuse BO from the Patriot Act. BO DID renew
the Partiot Act. it originally passed during the bush administration, but it had
a sunset date. That sunset date came during the first two years of the BO
misadministration. It was set to expire, but BO and the then DEM congress
renewed it."It could've been stopped via GOP filibuster as
is many things this day, but they had no complaints about the Patriot Act. The
only Senators who launched any kind of effort to stop it were Democrats. They
were woefully unsuccessful. At least now they'd probably have Paul, Lee,
and Cruz with them but that's about it from the GOP so they'd still be
short on votes by a lot (maybe they could wrangle up 10-15 Democrats and 5
@lost in DC --"You cannot excuse BO from the Patriot Act. BO DID
renew the Partiot Act."Keep trying.The extension
passed in the House with the votes of 196 Republicans and only 54 Democrats
voting for it.It passed the Senate with the votes of 40 Republicans and 34
Democrats voting for it.Make no mistake, it was the Repubs who
renewed it.And now you get to reap the benefits.@Redshirt --"To "atl134" and "Contrarius" I
hate to break it to you, but the Patriot Act expired in 2011. "I
hate to break it to YOU, but the act was extended in May of 2011. By Republican
majorities of "yes" votes in both houses.
atl134,thank you admitting BO renewed the Patriot Act. Obviouly the dems have NO PROBLEM with the Patriot Act, especially since they
can convince their followers to blame it all on the repubs when there are any
complaints about it.
Looks like they crashed the Guardian News Website....everytime I try to access
it i get a "Page not found"!
@ContrariusNot to confuse you with the facts but the Patriot Act excludes
domestic spying. The WH specifically targeted domestic phone traffic and is not
covered under the Patriot Act. Try another MSNBC line.
@Hemlock --"the Patriot Act excludes domestic spying. ...Try
another MSNBC line."Heh. I don't even have cable. Here's a few excerpts from the Patriot Act wiki -------...under Title II. Wiretaps were expanded...The Act allowed any district court
judge in the United States to issue such surveillance orders...Search warrants
were also expanded...to allow the FBI to gain access to stored voicemail through
a search warrant, rather than through the more stringent wiretap laws.[....]Those who operate or own a "protected computer" can give
permission for authorities to intercept communications carried out on the
machine, thus bypassing the requirements of the Wiretap statute. The definition
of a "protected computer" ...broadly encompasses those computers used in
interstate or foreign commerce or communication, including (but not limited to
-- my note) ones located outside the United States. The law governing obligatory
and voluntary disclosure of customer communications by cable companies was
altered to allow agencies to demand such communications under U.S.C. Title
18[....]Title II established three very controversial provisions:
"sneak and peek" warrants, roving wiretaps and the ability of the FBI to
gain access to documents that reveal the patterns of U.S. citizens.[....]-----
This has nothing to do with Verizon. This has everything to do with
Obama's administration. Let us read the 4th Amendment together: "The
right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no
Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things
to be seized."Has the justice department signed millions of
warrants per hour that describe the place to be searched, the person to be
searched and the reason that the search is "warranted"?Lay
this extreme abuse of our civil rights right where it belongs - at the feet of
Barack Obama. Where was he when those in his administration pulled off this
travesty of justice? Was he on the golf course? Was he bowling? Was he
playing cards? Was he vacationing? Was he campaigning? He certainly
wasn't doing his duty to defend and protect the Constitution of the United
atl134 and ContrariusA very weak argument trying to blame
Republicans for the Patriot Act renewal when Obama had the last signature on it.
He could have vetoed it. Its his, yours, so live with it. And by the way you
make it sound like the Republicans had a majority in the Senate too. They
haven't had the Senate since 2007. The Senate Democrats could have stopped
the renewal too. Why hide from the truth?
@happy2bhere -- "Obama had the last signature on it. He could
have vetoed it."I guess you didn't notice that the
extension passed with a veto-proof majority -- mostly Repubs -- in the Senate,
and not far off of one in the House -- again, mostly Repubs.Or do
you really want to blame Obama for the total of 236 Republicans who voted for
the extension, as compared with only 88 total Dems who voted for it??And, of course, Bush could have saved us from all of this argument by vetoing
it the first time around. But ohhhhh, nooooo, he just LOVED the thing. ;-D
ContrariusThere is NO way the veto proof majority happens in the
Senate WITHOUT Democrat support. Obama apparantly either did not want them to
stop it, or he did not have the power to ask members of his own party to stop
If I'm not mistaken....Awhile ago - Conservatives were jumpin
up and down about a new $1 Billion facility being built here to creat jobs...The largest NSA building in the Nation is being built right here in
Utah?So - Utahns in Utah being employed there will be this
very same nasty Big Brother "spying o nus" that these very same
conservatives are also jumping up and down about.
@m.g. scott --Obama apparantly either did not want them to stop it,
or he did not have the power to ask members of his own party to stop it."Oh, that's hysterically funny. Really.236 Republicans
voted for this extension. In effect, they galloped just as fast as they could
right over that cliff -- after all, their good buddy BUSH loved the thing, and
it was called the PATRIOT act, so it HAD to be a Good Thing, right?? Those 236
Republicans went galloping merrily along right off that cliff, managing to drag
88 Democrats with them. But now that something BAD has happened because of that
act, oh, noooooo, now it's all Obama's fault because he didn't
manage to stop the stampede??Let's do the math here -- 236
Republicans are stampeding, and they didn't stop galloping for the sake of
one president. But you want to blame it all on that one man?? Really?? I can hear the pitiful cries now. "Waaaaaa!!! Waaaaa!!! Yeah, sure, we
stampeded off that cliff of our own free will, but he shoulda STOPPED us for our
own good!! Waaaaaaaa!!!!";-D
To me, it isn't so much about the politics, repub vs demo, Bush vs Obama,
but it IS about ethics. What is right and wrong? Why does the line get
blurred? Why is there many shades of gray instead of black and white? This NSA
thing is a clear example of what is just plain WRONG! Just like Benghazi, IRS
issue, AP reporter spying (it's covered up or buried in the media or
sidestepped in the press briefings). Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Let's call a
spade a spade and say that if nothing else, this administration and anyone who
has anything to do with these issues are unethical!!! Why do we stand for this?
I, for one, am outraged and I hope a whole lot of investigation is occurring and
the full truth is brought out to us, the American people, because WE deserve
"This has nothing to do with Verizon. This has everything to do with
Obama's administration."Since you didn't read the article,
here is something you missed. "...the order appears to be a routine renewal
of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006."Hate to
state the obvious here, but Obama didn't have an administration in 2006.
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahThis has nothing to do with
Verizon. This has everything to do with Obama's administration. ========== For once - Agreed Mike, but --- Obama is just
executing the laws passed by the GW BUSH administration.The
Trampling of the Constitution began with Bush, YOUR guy - YOU elected him
twice.Where was YOUR outrage then?btw - Obama has just
kept the music playing for the trampling to continue.I agree, In addition to the economic meltdown, WallStreet bailouts, and Middle Eastern
Wars, it's time to Stop yet another mistake and trampling of the
Constitution GW Bush started.
To "Open Minded Mormon" you are wrong. Obama is executing laws that he
enacted.Why do you continue to support Obama. You agree that Obama
is trampling the Constitution, yet you don't care. If you actually cared
about the destruction of our rights, why is it that you and your ilk have yet to
call for Obama to resign or for him to be impeached like you were doing when
Bush was in office?What good does it do to keep parroting the lie
that everything bad started under Bush, when Obama is not only not stoping the
damage, but is accelerating it and making it bigger?
I will say it again. This is the Government the Founding Fathers warned us
@lost in DC"thank you admitting BO renewed the Patriot Act. "Congress renewed it. It passed with a veto proof majority."Obviouly the dems have NO PROBLEM with the Patriot Act, especially since
they can convince their followers to blame it all on the repubs when there are
any complaints about it."I blame them all except for people like
Feingold (D-WI, voted out in 2010) who opposed it from the start. But what
annoys me most is you hypocritical conservatives who didn't give a darn
about this until a Democratic administration uses a law everyone in your caucus
@Redshirt1701"Why do you continue to support Obama. You agree that
Obama is trampling the Constitution, yet you don't care. "So instead of voting for Democrats who about 1/2 of them voted for Patriot Act
renewal I should vote for Republicans who almost unanimously voted for Patriot
Act renewal? That doesn't seem logical. Nevermind that most Obama
supporters generally agree with Obama on more other issues than Republicans so
why would we vote for someone we agree with less just to stick it to Obama over
one issue?"why is it that you and your ilk have yet to call for
Obama to resign or for him to be impeached like you were doing when Bush was in
office?"Because he hasn't broken the law when it comes to
this matter (I don't like the law and want it repealed but it's the
To "atl134" how about this. Rather than voting for a Progressive
(Democrat or Republican) you vote for a Conservative that wants to conserve your
freedom.Isn't trampling the constitution breaking the highest
law of the US? Isn't spying, obtaining warrentless searches, and
infringing the freedom of the press all against the constitution?If
Obama hasn't broken any laws, then neither did Bush, which raises the
question, Why did your ilk want to impeach him if he broke no laws?If you dig into the laws, Obama actually has broken laws but the politicians
in Washington are too cowerdly to do anything about it. Obama has broken the
law on recess apointments.First, Obama kept troops comitted to Libya
longer than the US law allows. Second, according to recent testimony regarding
the IRS scandal the orders came from Washington, that means that Obama broke the
law that states that a President cannot use the IRS for political purposes. He
authorized the FAA to try and regulate the internet, again against the law.Those are just a few laws that he has broken.
I see that there are many who do not know anything about history.no fit in
SG, the Nazis did not take anyone to Siberia. They put them on a train to
Poland or Austria or France, or one of the other "destinations". Many times the train was stopped and searched, if the Nazi's did like the
look of you, you were shot. After all no one else had a gun. They strong
armed all the people not just the Jews. Once Hitler had power, he
surrounded himself with children and convinced the people to give over their
guns to make the world safer. It did make it far safer for the Nazi. Hitler Had people in the Nazi party spy on their neighbors. He compiled
massive amounts of information including bank accounts. This is how he knew the
Jews had big money. Please take a history lesson. Learn about the world.
You will see that it only took Hitler 6 years to destroy Germany and create war
around the world. One evil man voted into office with lots of
promises of hope and change turned himself into a dictator and started war and
genocide killing millions.
I am neither a republican nor a democrat. I am a conservative. I am a
Constitutionalist.I hated that the Bushes sign NAFTA and didn't close
the borders to illegal immigration.I hatted that the even came up with and
signed the Patriot Act.I got sick when Bush Senior talked about a "new
world order"!This President has gone way beyond all that. He has
trampled the Constitution, the highest law of this land and he has appointed
himself dictator over us using executive orders. He does not care about about
the working class Americans. He doesn't want us to have the American dream.
If he did he would not vilify it. Now he has become very wealthy since he
has become president and he will leave office, even if he is impeached, with
loads of money and body guards. He does not give a crap about any of you
who defend him! So wake up!