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Published: Tuesday, June 4 2013 6:09 p.m. MDT

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Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteology

The on-field results data shows that Utah's recruiting data is over hyped - U aren't even good enough to qualify for a bowl anymore.

Despite your frantic and emotional spin,

2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner is MUCH better than unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) is MUCH better than unranked/#39 Utah(8-5) loser to 10-loss Colo

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Swoop

According to the “on-field results data” the only thing you’re MUCH better than at is beating WAC-lite teams. That is not an opinion but a fact:

vs. BCS teams:
Utah 9-11 (.450)
BYU 4-5 (.444)
Wins: Ol Miss (2-9), Wazzu (3-9), OSU (3-9), GTech (7-7)


vs. Mid-Major teams:
Utah 2-1 (.666)
BYU 12-2 (.875)
Wins: New Mexico (2), Idaho (2), Hawaii (2), USU (2), SJS, SDSU, Tulsa, and CFU

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteology

Your reliance on "bcs" and "mid-major" labels to categorize wins and losses is laughable, especially coming from a Ute whose program has done absolutely NOTHING since becoming a "bcs".

Frankly, labels are meaningless. It's what you do on the field that counts towards Top 25 rankings.

During the Independent/PAC era:

AP/Coaches Top 25 Rankings
BYU 1
Utah 0

Sagarin Rankings
BYU #34, #26
Utah #39, #61

Bowl Games
BYU 2
Utah 1

It's laughable that you have to slice and dice records to make it appear that Utah has actually achieved something more than BYU, when in reality, the final rankings speak for themselves.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@LonestarRunner

Your reliance on "bcs" and "mid-major" labels to categorize wins and losses is laughable.

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What's laughable is your understanding of the talent level between BCS and mid-majors and even D2 teams.

There's a huge difference in talent and that's why both Utah and TCU have struggled. But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand whose current coach has a losing record against BCS talent and has a 88% winning percentage against mid-majors.

Utah was 33-6 the last three years in the MWC... then 8-5 and 5-7.
TCU finished in the top 10 4 times in the final 4 seasons in the MWC... then 7-6.

And both teams OWN BYU... we'll see how better you are playing a real schedule this year.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Uteology

When will the incessant whining and excuses end? We've heard it for three years that the Utes would be a force to be reckoned with in the PAC10.2

It has been extremely entertaining watching the comments of Uteville Follies Football Fanclub on this thread especially.

Talent? With all of that Ute talent what happened against Colorado and how do you explain losing to USU and BYU beating them. And then of course how do you explain going bowl-less?

I can't wait for another peaceful holiday season... without U.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@uteology

What's laughable is that you can't seem to understand that utah's problem is a declining level of talent and not the change in conferences. TCU had a similar problem this last season although I htink they'll bounce right back this year.

utah would have still been a bad team last year even if they were still in the mwc, they were just plain bad. Yes they might have been bowl elgible but it wouldn't have been much more than that, bowl elgible.

Unfortunately for utah "fans" utah's entry into the admittedly tougher pac12 also coincided with a decrease in on field talent and some abysmal recruting decisions by the coaching staff, such as not recruiting, and not signing, any decent qb's at all for several years. Add to that the rotating o-coordinator postion, the hiring of a kid as the o-coordinator and other questionable "decisions".

What utah has done the last 2 years is by no means simply a by product of tougher week in week out schedules, or not enough depth, although those are factors. It is much more a product of some very inept recruiting and some poor coaching.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

BYU just had 5 players taken in the MLB draft, including one in the 3rd round. How many id utah have drafted? I'm just wondering because this article is about how utah stacks up to the rest of the pac12 and in my opinion the pac12 is the best college baseball conference.

I would think that utah should have much more talent on their baseball team than BYU does, and as utah "fans" have been telling us for the last several years being drafted by professional leagues is the ultimate evidence of who has better talent.

So if lowly BYU had 5 of their players drafted then utah must have had at least 10 shouldn't they? 15 maybe?

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

... and yet BYU has lost to Utah in football for 3 straight years including a humiliating 54-10 loss at LES where they quit mid-way through the 3rd quarter AND Utah won the Duel between the two this year which is awarded on a points system over all sports. Guess you'll have to go back to Tulsa.

redfeather
Palo Alto, CA

54-IQ

BYU and Utah tied in points in the Duel, which only includes 12 sports; Utah simply won the tie-breaker.

In the Directors' Cup, which measures overall national accomplishments in all men's and women's sports combined:

As of May 30, 2013

#47 BYU 397.00 total points
#74 Utah 228.75 total points

Just as in EVERY Directors' Cup for the past 20 years, BYU will finish 20 to 40 places higher the Utah.

Someday, you may want to try venturing outside that crimson bubble on the hill.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

"Taking inventory of Utah's first two seasons in the Pac-12"

Easy inventory to take; still waiting for the Utes to actually do something in the PAC 12.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Uteology

You're so caught up in labels, you're blind to reality:

During the Ind/PAC era

Wins against FBS teams with winning records
BYU 4 - Utah St(7-6), Tulsa(8-5), #16/#17 Utah St(11-2), and SDSU(9-4)
Utah 3 - besides BYU, the only other winning team you've beaten is Georgia Tech(8-5)

Losses to FBS teams with losing records
BYU 1 - Utah(5-7)
Utah 2 - ASU(6-7), Colorado(3-10)

Instead of whining about how "tough" your PAC schedule is, U should either man up and start competing with the upper half of the PAC, or pack your bags and move to a less competitive conference.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Why are there trollers still on this story? You all still have time between your tweets to Wes Welker??

Go Utes!!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

I'm sorry, I just have to say it: we are arguing over 3 & 4 wins over teams with winning records? Who has the best record against ranked opponents when neither program has fared well lately in this regard (and im laughing at myself because im as guilty as anyone)? Seriously...these two programs better get it together this season because they are going to be facing 6-8 winning, bowl attending programs a piece this year. The mediocrity of the past 2 seasons by BOTH BYU and Utah will have to end this season if there are to be bowls for either of these programs. I can't stop laughing that we are arguing 3-4 wins against winning teams, while Bama, Florida, Georgia, Oregon, Stanford, etc are beating twice that many in one season. Both programs have to do better this year...there is very little room for error, whereas in the previous 2 years there has been much more wiggle room.

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