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Published: Tuesday, June 4 2013 6:09 p.m. MDT

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Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

@NavalVet - BYU has had a Fiesta Bowl invitation, but you've forgotten about it.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@u90

My comprehension skills are just fine, you'rs seem to be lacking. My quesiton was "What is it about utah that is going to make them consistently competitive in ANYTHING?"

That means naything, not everything. It is obvious they will not be competitive in everything, even you realize it. But what makes you think they will be consistently competitive in ANYTHING?

They don't have any advantages over any other school in the conference with the possible exception of wsu, that's it. In every other criteria they are in an inferior postion to everyone elese in the pac12. Every other school has more money, more fans, more population, better climate, better city (at least in the eyes of most recruits), more prestige, better legacy, better name brand, better facilities, better everything.

There is almost nothing that the university of utah has to offer that is superior to anyone else in the pac12. Nothing.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ ducky

Love the change of direction.
You said not one Ute fan could list an advantage Utah had over the other PAC-12 members. Now you agree with me on many of my listed advantages; however, you "know" none of them would be considerations for top athletes. Great to know Johnnie Carson's Carnack the magnificent lives and resides in Utah county.
By the way how is Mr. Reynolds doing in the Pro as compared with Mr. Bergstrom?
In a comment about the difficult schedule this season for the Y I asked Y fans to predict, in advance, Phil Steele's ranking of schedule difficulty. I predicted the Y's would be about 45th and the U's would be some 10-15 places higher. Not one Y fan responded with a prediction of the difficulty of the schedule. You, Sammyg, and a few others were the ones I was most interested to hear from - any prediction?

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ J-TX

"Sounds like what some loser would say after losing a job with a position of prominence and having to move into his Mom's cellar."

So, Utah "lost" a job in the prestigious MWC and fell all the down the lowly PAC-12? Not only that but Utah had to endure a horrible $20 million/year pay raise. Yeah, loser is the word I would use too.

@ Duckhunter

I do not believe Utah will ever be a top contender in some sports, (softball, golf and volleyball especially). But I do think gymnastics has been, and will be, a perennial contender in the PAC-12. I think basketball will eventually be a power player in conf. as well. A good coach and a few good players can be enough for a really strong team. And I think we have a good coach. Hopefully football gets back to their winning ways and can be at least a "top half" team the majority of the years.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Ducky "That said please tell me why utah will ever be more than I said they would be? Just because you really, really, want them to be better than that won't make it so."

Because they have already been more then you said they would be. As far as the future I can say what they will be you can say what they won't be. Truth is neither of us has any clue what they will be. You have a hard enough time recognizing who's accomplished more in the last 10 years don't try to say you know what's going to happen in the future.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Johnny Triumph:

I'm aware of the Y's Fiesta Bowl loss to Oklahoma St. team back in '74. Only back THEN, the Fiesta Bowl WAS an irrelevant bowl game. It was equivalent in prestige to the Famous Idaho Potatoe Bowl of 2011 (only with payout of just over 26% of what Utah St. collected up in Boise 2-yrs ago). That's why it took an unranked WAC champion, and paired them up with a 6-5 team.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Not one Y fan responded with a prediction of the difficulty of the schedule. You, Sammyg, and a few others were the ones I was most interested to hear from - any prediction?"

Who Am I Sir:

They're probably hesitant to spend money to find out their secret fantasies were wrong.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

Two years have demonstrated how woefully inadequate the ute athletic program was and is from top to bottom. U will be the dormat for decades!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Who am I:
I haven't seen or read Phil Steele yet so I'll take a stab at predicting schedule difficulty:
BYU 38
Utah 20
Of course it's all perception until the season actually plays out. I mean Oregon with a new coach could flop, ND without their QB could be .500, USC could actually go sub .500 and Middle Tenn State could go 11-1. Should be fun, why does it still have to be 3 months away?

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

No one said that the move up from the MWC to the PAC 12 would be easy. It will take time to see the results of better recruiting, improved facilities, etc. But my feelings are exactly the same as Who Am I Sir?'s comments: It is incredible to think that each week we get to see quality competition in all of the sports our Utes compete in. Believe me, non-Ute fans, we wouldn't change this for all the MWC championships in the world!

With that in mind, I look at the Ute haters on this and other Ute articles very similarly to the kid who got left out of the game during school recess. I feel bad for you guys, and, to a certain degree, feel sorry for you, even when you are trying to disrespect our program.

Go Utes!!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@who are you

I have no idea how strong either schedule will be other than both have multiple teams with histories of being quality programs on their schedule, but on top of that I don't even care. SOS is something utah "fans" appear to have latched onto in an attempt to do two things, one is to explain away their losing records of the last couple of seasons, and two is two make a pre-emptive excuse for what they fear, and probably know, will be another losing season this coming fall. Other than that you can own me on that one because I really couldn't care less.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Two fer

That's a reasonable reply and I don't completely disagree. I also understand why Utah fans like yourself are enjoying seeing what will happen in the long run. I think they will be hard pressed to be consistently good in any sport but will probably have occasional good seasons in most sports. I'm not just trying to get a rise out of you guys on this subject either, although that is fun, I just think the disadvantages Utah faces are larger than anyone else in the conference and they will never completely overcome them. If BYU was in that conference they would be hard pressed as well although I do think BYU has some advantages that would help them, especially in olympic and second tier sports, that Utah does not have. But we'll never know the answer to that one,

Best of luck.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2irreleventwins

"Because they have already been more then you said they would be."

How is being in the bottom half of the conference in every single sport "more than I said they would be"? That is pretty much what I said, and am still saying, they would, and will, be.

Also how does what I say affect what they actually are? I am just one guy with an opinion commenting on what I think and see and am not really sure how that affects results?

Thus far utah has been at, or near, the bottom of the conference in almost every sport for both years they have been in the pac12. I have asked what it is that would make you think they will ever be more than that, other than on rare occasions, and no one so far has been able to give me an actual reason why.

I know it is hard for some to face reality and it appears my question has made many of you face reality and you don't like it.

So give me a reason other than just because you want it to happen.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Can't wait for the fourth annual trip to Tulsa this year on September 21st. It will be nice to have the silence again for a few days. Sometimes you just get tired of a yapping dog, even if it does amuse you!!

Go Utes!!

Where is Fangupo??

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Naval Vet

"I'm aware of the Y's Fiesta Bowl loss to Oklahoma St. team back in '74. Only back THEN, the Fiesta Bowl WAS an irrelevant bowl game. It was equivalent in prestige to the Famous Idaho Potatoe Bowl of 2011 (only with payout of just over 26% of what Utah St. collected up in Boise 2-yrs ago)."

LOL at your usual clueless, delusional spin.

In 1974, TWENTY-TWO teams played in ELEVEN bowls.

In 2012, SEVENTY teams played in THIRTY-FIVE bowls.

Not only did more than 3 times as many teams play in a bowl in 2011, than in 1974,, but the Fiesta Bowl was reserved for the WAC conference champion. Since only 5 of Utah's 17 bowl teams won their conference championship, 12 of Utah's 17 bowl teams wouldn't have even been eligible for the "lowly" 1974 Fiesta Bowl.

As far as bowl payouts go, anybody who is so clueless as to compare the payout for a 1974 bowl with the payout for a 2012 bowl has obviously never had a class in economics or finance.

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@Duckhunter
"I just think the disadvantages Utah faces are larger than anyone else in the conference and they will never completely overcome them."

I slightly disagree with you on one point. I don't think Utah's disadvantages are greater than Washington State's disadvantages. Utah should eventually be able to hold their own financially with Washington St and will compete annually with them in the bottom half of conference standings in most sports.

sammyg
Springville, UT

gored

"...No one said that the move up from the MWC to the PAC 12 would be easy."

Yes they did. At the time of the announcement a lot of Ute fans were convinced from their 2004 and 2008 seasons that upgrading to 'big boy' conference stuff would be a good fit, be competitive, etc.

Please don't try to back out of it, you know it's true. For three years now BYU fans and others have heard nothing but praises for being invited and the great opportunity to be part of the PAC10.2

How's that working out now.

Looks like a couple of Ute fans are finally coming to grips with reality on this thread.

3-9 is very strong possibility.

B2BB

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

" U will be the dormat [sic] for decades!"

Real:

In football, I guess that makes the y the 'doormat of doormats'.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

JohnInSLC

Doormats are determined by overall season performance, not by individual game results.

Trust a Ute to claim that one game makes a season.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Utah in the Pac-12

MEN Year 1 Year 2

Baseball 7-23 (11th) 7-23 (11th)
Basketball 3-15 (11th) 5-13 (10th)
Football 4-5 (3rd) 3-6 (5th)
Golf 12th 12th
Swimming 5th 5th
Tennis 1-6 (7th) 2-5 (7th)

3rd and 5th sounds more impressive for football until you consider that only considers Utah's finish in the PAC South.

Overall, Utah football finished with the 4th worst record in the conference in 2012 (9th) and the 5th worst record in 2011 (8th).

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