"So, what's different about 2013? How can the Cougars hope to rise up
against such a rough slate of opponents?"Two words: No Riley
NelsonOK, that's 3 words but it's really a case of
addition by subtraction. Last year's 8-5 record would've been
significantly better with just an average QB who wasn't spotting opposing
teams to big leads through unforced turnovers or killing drives with fumbles or
missing wide open WR's on 3rd down.8-5 very easily
could've been 11-2 or better last year.
Utah is expected to win 3 games this year... BYU has an over- under at 8
wins...Smart money says, take the under on Utah and the over on
The unknown awaits us all. Isn't it exciting to have all the intangibles
and unknowns which gives us the joy of speculation. I anticipate every season,
win, lose or draw I find it one of my favorite leisure time activities. Go
Hill, Anae, Mendenhall et al
"2012 Total Defensel Rankings:BYU-#3Utah- #362012
Top 25 Opponents:BYU-5Utah-2Anything else? Didn't
think so.."The only hting I'd add is BYU beat a Top 25
opponent. Utah did not. But, Chris and AZ are just here to stir people up.
Most of the Utah fans I've come into contact with aren't like them.
The article talks about the difference between last year and this year...two
words...taysom hill...hopefully at the end of the season we are not whistfully
wondering out loud about two other words...Jake Heaps. My point is the real
difference will come down to coaching as BYU is stocked with qbs. The question
is will the right qb be on the field? The coaches are ultimately responsible and
I hope Bronco gets out of the way of offensive success and let's Anae do
Chris B:How many comments did you post on-line in Colorado
newspapers? We Cougar fans have moved on, but we know who your biggest rival
still is.I will be surprised if the Utes win more than four games
this year.Looking forward to a three-year face rubbing.
@hochmut The Conference Bowl is in Logan this year.
You fans are so funny...no wonder why people laugh at both programs.BYU finally plays more than one tough opponent in a year and suddenly
it's "the hardest schedule in program history"...duh. Not as many
cupcakes. Welcome to what real teams do.Utah. Please. You will be
lucky to win 6 games as the PAC is way superior to you now. Stanford, Oregon,
UCLA and ASU are easy picks against you.Bottom line= State of Utah
better tune in to High School games as the College programs are mediocre to poor
in a national scale.
AZUTE,"TH, in limited-action, has ALREADY proven to be
injury-prone and byu hasn't even remotely proven they've done
anything, whatsoever, to improve their utterly inept o-line."First of all TH has had one freak injury. I would not classify that as being
injury prone. injury prone would be Jordan Wynn. One injury in 3 games
doesn't hold up. The offensive line last year was horrible,
but everyone was injured. That being said the to say they have done nothing to
improve the offensive line is laughable. They hired a new o-line coach as well
as brought in 4 JC transfers to fill the holes. Do some research before
commenting. O-line will be a completely different animal this year. We
won't know how good they will be, that is true, but we have definately done
alot to shore up those problems.
Aggie84I'm not sure to whom you are referring, but from what
I've seen most BYU fans recognize USU is no longer a patsy and this
year's game will be tough. Winnable, but tough.You should
direct your ire towards Ute fans, who all seem to assume this year's
opening game in RES will be a cakewalk. In fact, I predict the Utes will be so
focused on their Bowl Game -- aka the Holy War -- that they will completely
overlook the Aggies, just like they did last year.
Nelson was awful and should have been benched until he could absolutely prove in
a practice he was 100%. His claiming that he was physically capable and
Doman's acceptance of his continuing claim caused most of our losses. Yet,
game after game he showed he was not telling the truth and Doman continued to
believe in him. Nelson had to be at 100% to be effective and most of the season
he was maybe functioning at 40% or less. The plays that were sent in
for Hill did not allow for many passing opportunities. I expect this to change
this year. I am looking forward to seeing if BYU can step up to the
plate this year and achieve.
WisCoug; Your list of top teams that Cougars would stumble with is very
good...but I have two words for you that make a huge difference: Riley Nelson;
He is not the QB this year. Utah game: Cougars at home win going away and the
Utes will stew in their juices for two years; Boise State: again, we have them
at home and as I recall they didn't score an offensive TD on BYU in Boise;
Wisconsin: New head coach...will be close and I'd give Cougs 50/50 shot
there; ND: They are a mess and Cougars were the better team last year, just
didn't have the better QB--now ND is looking for one themselves; Texas:
close game at Austin last year and now they are on the Cougar's field--I do
recall the last time the Longhorns came to Provo the Cougars put a 47 point
spanking on them; And finally, Utah State in the Conference Bowl: BYU never
loses on Friday Night on Conference Weekend in Provo--just doesn't occur;
I could see BYU going 5-1 with this stretch of games. Keep Taysome Hill healthy
and why not 6-0;
I don't believe that Taysom Hill is the most important factor in the
success of BYU's offense. The most important factor is THE BACKUP QB...
because Hill will get injured. It is the nature of the running-QB offense.
Hill will probably miss at least two games. So the strength of the backup QB is
what will really be the difference.
"things can get back closer to the traditional normal."Things are, currently at their traditional normal, between byu and Utah.56-34-4 lol.Go Utes.
I don't expect a great year from BYU. Bronco has been very poor (I
can't emphasize that "very poor" enough) in transitioning
quarterbacks. Lavell struggled with it, but Bronco is a joke--they haven't
had a stable starting quarterback for 4 years. Part of this is because Bronco is
too defensive minded and treats/rotates his quarterbacks (and kickers for that
matter) like defensive linemen. That's a huge no no. It will be
interesting to see Anae take the offense back. As I understand it Anae basically
told Bronco he'd come back on conditions of complete control of the
offense. That should help some. Bronco seems to do okay as defensive
coordinator. BYU's "best defense ever" didn't produce many
turnovers and almost always gave the ball back to the offense inside their own
20 yard line and they got tired at the end of tough games (partially because the
offense was terrible). I'm expecting a year a little better than last year.
Something like 9-4 or even 8-5, (same as last year) with the tougher schedule
seems reasonable, with a lame bowl game loss.
It is going to be such a breath of fresh air to have September finally get here
and get this next rivalry game played. Now that BYU has a real offensive
coordinator, things can get back closer to the traditional normal. BYU
will again start asserting it's in-state dominance after a temporary
absence. That will finally force Chris B, AZUTE1 and other similar Ute trolls
back under the bridge they come out from whenever there's an article about
the Y.To tell you the truth, I'm more concerned about the up
and coming USU Aggies than the fading Utes, who had stoop to hiring a retired
coach who was fired from his last job and had no other job options, as their OC
(if not in actual title). The Aggies have been handling both of their southern
in-state opponents very competitively lately and are starting to get more than
their share of wins in those games. Don't overlook them.Anyone
with a sense of objectivity can feel it in the air. This really will be
@kaysvillecougarFor the sake of football and football fans in general I
hope your predictions for BYU and utah are correct but they are more than likely
too generous for both schools. Both have tough schedules but if and I repeat if
BYU can improve on the offensive side of the ball and the defense can compete
similarly than last year then BYU has an excellent chance at a dream season.
Obviously utah has the chance at a dream season as well but I feel it is far
less likely. It will be interesting to see the comments come the BYU-utah game
followed later by the end of the season. Due to my disliking of utah far more
than my disliking of BYU I hope that BYU has a drastically better season than
utah and that utah fans will just keep their mouths shut. Same for BYU fans. A
couple good years does not put you on par with the big boys of the SEC and PAC
Mr. Nelson should have pulled himself out when he had a cracked rib.
The last two years we had better quarterbacks not playing than the one we
played. Will things change?
Utah Fan: Please do not complain about how tough your schedule is anymore. You
asked for it, now you got it. Now live up to your promise or top telling us how
your schedule is so much harder than ours. BYU Fan: While it
remains acceptable to be excited about the new schedule because it has to be
rebuilt year after year, lets not be boastful This is still not as exciting as
Utah's is year in and year out (and we all know it). We would all gladly
jump into an AQ conference if we could.Mr. B and the like: Quit
pretending the BYU/UT game is not a rivalry - fine smack us for the losses or
talk real football (or even brag about your PAC 12ness) but for the love of Pete
please stop acting like you look forward to the "Big Game" with
Colorado. You lame comments about not caring about the rivalry not
only reveal how much you do care about the game but prove the old adage "The
opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference." If you are indifferent
move on over to the very exciting Utah/CO web pages.
Anybody remember who the college golfer poster from Texas was? Then there was
navel vet. Now there's azute. HmmmBack to the
article, they say the best defense is an offense, and I think if the
"new" offense can score three or more touchdowns in any game, the
defense can keep us within winning distance. Of course, three
@ Who am IHere's my prediction: BYU 9-3 and Utah 4-8.
Taysom Hill lacks a lot of game experience but I like his make up and
athleticism if he bounces back from the knee injury and picks up the new
This is a no brainer. A stand out QB is central to the success of most football
teams in college and the pros. BYU is not the only program (far from it) the
will need solid QB play in 2013 to win. I look no further than the
Utes in this regard. Utah's first two years in the PAC 12 was more
encouraging to me than most feel it was. Bad QB options were Utah's
downfall. They showed me they can play with the PAC after going 8-5 in the first
year with a no name (Hayes) from Ohmaha at QB after Wynn went down. In year two
Whittingham gambled and sunk the team when playing the freshman (Wilson) last
year over the reliable but limited Jon Hayes. That was the main reason Utah had
a poor second season in the PAC 12. And oh yeah, Wynn went down AGAIN.
1 other thing, even though Utah has had better recruiting classes (according to
the pundits) it has not helped them much in the Pac 12. I do help Utah does
well, (I know a Coug fan rooting for their rivals), but it makes the rivalry
game even better. Utah needs to start winning again because the BCS wins are
holding about as much weight as BYU's national championship almost 30 years
ago. The recruiting will lose steam because of mediocrity.
As I said 2 years ago when Utah was accepted to the Pac 10.2, they would be
cellar dwellers most every year, maybe win the south division once every 6-8
years and then maybe win the Pac championship every other time (12-16 years).
You heard it here first, after 2 more losing seasons and no bowl games for Utah,
Hill will fire Kyle W. after the 2014-2015 season. RES will be half full and
Utah will be back to where they were in the 80's and 90's. Forgotten
nobody's! Beat your chest Ute fans about being in the Pac 12, but the
writing is on the wall. Beating BYU will be the only thing you will have to brag
Simply amazing, the Aggies are not considered a difficult opponent for the Y. A
team rated at 16th in the nation and one the highest rated qbs in the nation
with a returning front 5 on the offensive line. Simply amazing, but predictable.
Every defensive player that knows, about the injury, that has a shot at him,
will be driving their helmet right on that knee.I hope Taysom survives all
the contact that will be coming his way.He was so hard to defend when he
ran last season.It will be interesting to see if he has the same
speed/moves he showed last season.It will also be interesting to see him
pass the ball, maybe to the TE or RB; quick reads to help him get some
confidence as well as avoid getting sacked.
I agree next years schedule is a major upgrade from the past couple of years
(and be yond); however, after looking at it I don't believe it is nearly as
difficult has I first thought. Nevada and Houston had a couple really good
years (probably when they were scheduled by the Y) but the past two years they
have been very mediocre! And now Notre Dame has lost their starting QB. I know a couple publications are out - but I have not looked for a strength of
schedule comparison. I know Phil Steele's will be out in about 2 weeks.
Let's test our football knowledge and test our biases! I predict the
Y's schedule will be rated somewhere near the 45th most difficult (2 years
ago it was in the mid-nineties) and I believe Utah's will be some 10 to 15
places higher. There it is! I would love to see some cougars predictions
before the publications are released!!
AZUTE:GIVE IT A REST...you're making the same lame statements over
and over and over, and your inability to give BYU ANY credit for anything and
downplaying the obvious talent and ability of Taysom Hill just shows what a
blind Utah homer you are. It's getting tired and old. Try making new
comments or actually getting out of your crimson bubble every once in a while. I
bleed BYU blue but I can still compliment Utah for great BCS seasons in 04 and
08, and compliment them for their research and the fine academic institution
they are, and I've stated how I believe they deserve to be in the PAC 12
because they DO. When you can't see truth and reality and constantly spew
the same ineffectual drivel it discredits anything you have to say in the
future. Try and see things as they are, not as you make believe them to be.
It's ute fans like you that give Utah fans in general a bad reputation when
most of them I know are classy and sensible.
Chris B,"Former" Rivalry in Utah's case?Tell that
to all of the Utah fans that stormed the field three times to beat their
"little" brothers. Whenever my real older brothers beat up on me they
didn't ever celebrate. If we truly our your little brothers and the rivalry
is dead, then why storm the field three times?
@u 90But SOS is decided by the polls, and those polls are subject to
human error and bias according to utah "fans". I know you guys want to
try to have it both ways but you constantly fail in your attempts to do so. I do
enjoy the pre-season excuse making you guys engage in, it simply tells me that
down deep you know it is going to be a bad one in salt lake.LOL!
@Black & Blue "Anything else? Didn't think so.."Actually yes, you forgot to mention SOS.
Though it is true that BYU has a tough schedule, Win/Lose, the games will be
entertaining as Taysom Hill is a major stud. I am looking forward to seeing
what Anae puts together for an offensive mix. Go Cougars!!!
AzuteWell if there was ever a person to identify an injury prone QB
it could be a Ute fan... ie... Wynn. But unfortunately you have a wrong
diagnosis.Sorry but failing to identify an appropriate time for
spiking the ball and some miscues from the sideline hardly qualify Taysom as
being injury prone. That was inexperience and stupidity.Now if you
want a prime example of being injury prone and mixed with coaching stupidity
look no further than these past three seasons in Uteville.And before
you mention Riley...It would appear he was just too stubborn and selfish
to take himself out.
AZUTE12012 Total Defensel Rankings:BYU-#3Utah- #362012 Top 25 Opponents:BYU-5Utah-2Anything else?
Didn't think so..
"BYU faces the most brutal schedule in Cougar history as it will play
against the likes of Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas and Boise State. It will be
the first time in program history that BYU can say it has a strength of schedule
comparable to teams in automatic qualifying conferences."Yet, it
pales in comparison to UTAH's 2013 mid-season 8-game stretch.Also, byu's "dominant" D did much of their damage against WAC
bottom-feeders and lost 7 starters, to boot. A balanced-0 which could also pass
the ball like OSU's completely blew them up and did so on their homefield.
ND didn't have their starting QB [although they did rush up-and-down the
field on byu's D, with complete EASE] and BSU was breaking-in a virtually
brand-new O. Furthermore, UTAH had a bunch of key-starters out, including JWIV,
yet their O still managed to put-up 17-PTS on them.TH, in
limited-action, has ALREADY proven to be injury-prone and byu hasn't even
remotely proven they've done anything, whatsoever, to improve their utterly
inept o-line. And wasn't Anae previously run-off for being an
If he was good enough for Jim Harbaugh to recruit him, he's good enough for
Go Cougs! I hope fans can stay behind BYU, Mendenhall, and Holmoe even if
things are rough this season, this is what we've been waiting for in
independence! Let's hope BYU does well this year, that both sides of the
ball can execute well. Go Cougs!
Lol, I think Chris B just troll'd a bunch of folks. I'm a
Ute fan and I hope Taysom Hill does well (except once in 2013):). He seems like
doesn't have the same issues between the ears that Jake Heaps struggled
with. He has a cannon for an arm and all the right physical attributes. He
should be good.
Although I do think that Taysom will be a game changer for the offense this
season, I wouldn't say he is the difference between doing well and flopping
against the toughest schedule in BYU history. The difference will be Anae. The offense has the most talented RB, WR, TE, and QB groups I have ever seen
in Provo. With the bull rush for O-Line recruits in the 2013 class, the O-Line
should be much stronger as well. But none of that will matter if the OC cant
field an aggressive game plan and put points on the board. It's
unfortunate that we will never know what potential Jake Heaps or even Riley
Nelson would have had if Anae would have stayed at BYU. The article pointed out
that against good competition, Nelson could not complete a pass over 20 yards,
but that was more due to the play-calling. Doman insisted on running bubble
screens, short slant patterns, and the option. And when it was ineffective he
either refused or failed to adjust his gameplan. If the defense can
continue being dominant, and the offense can elevate its play to match it.
Re: Chris BYou better start worrying about our little brothers up
North on the hill. The little brothers that you root for return 6 offensive and
6 defensive players this year, which is the least in the PAC12. Our little
brothers play up North get to play Oregon and Stanford this year as well.I suggest you start trying to pump up the Utes instead of ignominiously
trying to cut down the Cougars. If you do that, you probably will contribute
something of value to our little brothers up North. You will feel better
too.I hope you have a great day.
Should be fun.
Edit: Chris was talking about BYU-USU, not Utah-USU, so ignore the USU comment.
Chris, it's amusing to see your obsession with BYU continues unabated.Then again, when most pundits are predicting the Utes will miss a bowl
and finish in the bottom half of the PAC-12 for the second straight season,
it's not surprising you'd rather talk about BYU.The real
question this season is, will the Utes win more than one of their first 6 games?
And keep in mind this is what they face before they even leave the state of
Utah (the USU game is in RES, not Logan):Utah StateWeber
StateOregon Stateat BYUUCLAStanfordAfter
likely going 2-4 or 1-5 during that stretch, this is what the second half looks
like:at Arizonaat USCArizona Stateat Oregonat Washington StateColoradoNo wonder some websites are
predicting a 3-9 season for the Utes.
@Chris B"...I'd count your blessings if you guys win ONE out
of:UtahBoiseTexasNotre DameWisconsinUtah StateTexas is probably too much for BYU, there is no shame in
that.Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl last year after finishing 3rd
in their division (behind ineligible Penn State and Ohio State), lost an
all-time great in Monte Ball, and are familiarizing themselves with a brand new
coach. Utah State is also getting to know somebody new and showed
last year that being the better team overall is not enough to guarantee a win.
ND is not better this year than last (lost their QB and their
all-american LB) and were losing to BYU in the 4th. Boise was
winnable on the road and will be in Provo this year.Utah is a push
(it almost always is) and it is likely that both teams will be coming off losses
of significant size (BYU vs Texas and Utah vs Oregon State). I am
not convinced 0 is more likely than 3 (not saying BYU will win 3, just that it
is as reasonable a prediction as 0).
Lots of IF's in this article. An unproven QB with a weak OL and below to
average running backs and TE's. Doman may be glad he's outta there...
As a Utah fan, I have to say that I think Hill has a formidable skill set. His
athleticism is obvious. If he can demonstrate even moderate passing skills I
think he will be dangerous. I am honestly concerned about Hill breaking out. We
(the U) got owned last years by QB's that could extend and make plays with
their legs. Unlike Christ B (who I doubt is a real U fan) I am not ready to
chalk up a rivalry win.
Thank you for acknowledging the weak schedules of the past and hopefully they
are behind us. While the strongest yet, it is still middle of the pack. Some
teams play Wisconsin, Ohio state, Michigan state, Michigan, notre dame every
Reporter: This is the first time that BYU can say it has strength of schedule to
teams in automatic qualifying conferences? Really? Please inform me of any team
that had a harder schedule in the Big East or even the ACC as qualifying
conferences. There is a big difference between the SEC,PAC-12, and the rest.
With a .200 win percentage against ranked teams, 3 straight losses to big
brother, and something like a 1-11 record last 3 years against your only 12
respectable opponents, I'd count your blessings if you guys win ONE out of
:Utah(nope, not happening. Utah seniors get the perfect 4-0 sweep,
how embrarrasing)BoiseTexasNotre DameWisconsinUtah
StateWith the Utah state game in Logan, they have the edge in that
game. byu won't stand a chance against any of the others.
I wonder what it will feel like for byu 2013 graduating senior class to be a
perfect 0-4 against rival Utah?I wonder if the recent domination in
the rivalry("former" rivalry in our case) has any correlation to Utah
winning the recruiting battle for the 3rd year in a row.I'm
glad our seniors wont know what it feels like to be 0-4 against our rivals.
Heck, our 2013 seniors wont know what it feels like to ever lose to their former
rival. I guess we did lose to Colorado, so we do know what it feels like to
lose to our rivals.
BYU is well-stocked at quarterback, but don't be too surprised if an
equally talented, but less experienced QB starts for BYU vs. Virginia. It will
depend largely on how quickly Taysom recovers from his season-ending knee injury
in 2012. Not too worry, BYU has a very capable QB ready to step in if Taylor
isn't quite ready at the beginning of the season.