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  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 6, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    **Correction--

    "Barkley didn't face Barkley"--Should read, "GT didn't face Barkley".

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 6, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    [Cont'd]--

    Nah, getting dominated is what produced the two final-margins by which byu suffered defeat at home against the only PAC-12 teams they've played thus far which finished season with a winning-record.

    Something you don't mention when referencing GT last season, is the fact that byu's team-strength last season was playing against the run [unless of course you're ND] and this is all GT does. It was the perfect team for them to play against. I may be wrong in what I believe I heard, but wasn't GT one of the nation's youngest teams last season? [Just saw they return 15 starters in 2013.]

    Couple this with byu losing the majority of their starters on D from 2012 and all of their experience, and the GT game in 2013 could get quite interesting, if you can dig it.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 6, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    midpacmajor--

    "Comparative scores are comparatively meaningless.

    BYU destroyed Georgia Tech (41-17) on the road, which easily handled USC (21-7) in the Sun Bowl, which dominated Utah (38-28) in RES. USC lead 38-17 midway through the 4th quarter. The Utes scored a meaningless TD with 38 seconds left in garbage time to make the final score more respectable.

    #26 BYU > #61 Utah"

    As previously stated, it was 24-21 into the 4th-QTR against USC, with Barkley. Barkley didn't face Barkley [like byu didn't face ND's QB]. Barkley's B.U. was worse than Hays was initially for us. GT had extra time to prepare for them. USC was also making use of their free-time telling El Paso how disgusting their city was via Twitter and embarrassing themselves/The PAC-12 by doing so, as well as by standing-up GT for dinner. Hardly a focused/inspired team, which got a lot of heat for their behavior down there, particularly their HC Lane Kiffen.

    Sun Bowl was close throughout. You throw-out 21-7, like it were 54-10/42-24 or something. Save USC's fluke 83-YD TD, we're virtually even in yards/points, etc.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Comparative scores are comparatively meaningless.

    BYU destroyed Georgia Tech (41-17) on the road, which easily handled USC (21-7) in the Sun Bowl, which dominated Utah (38-28) in RES. USC lead 38-17 midway through the 4th quarter. The Utes scored a meaningless TD with 38 seconds left in garbage time to make the final score more respectable.

    After all of your spin, however, the final rankings are the final word on the season:

    #26 BYU > #61 Utah

    btw, Sagarin includes SOS in his rankings calculations, so U can save your whiny SOS excuses for someone who cares.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 6, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    "BYU played WSU at the beginning of the season, Utah played them at the tail-end of it. What's your point?"

    WAZZU? Huh?

    "But they were playing without Matt Barkley against Notre Dame, and still played the Irish tougher than the 6-6 Georgia Tech Yelllow Jackets."

    9-pts vs. 14-pts? ND came at home in a rivalry game. Re-read ENTIRETY of what I posted, instead.

    "Interesting...so BYU being down 28-24 to OSU in the 4th Quarter before a fluke batted-down pass that lands in a Beaver's hands in the end zone, and a fluke tipped-up pass from Ross Apo that led to a pick-six for the Beavers is a "curb-stomping", while Utah losing to USC (even after the Trojans gift-wrapped 2 TD's for the Utes) hardly qualifies as getting 'pasted'?"

    OSU's relevant?

    We forced 2 TOs/earned those 14-PTS against USC. OSU nearly doubled-up byu in the final score. Minus fluke bomb, UTAH/USC virtually even in total yards. rn had 51 ATT in this game, but OSU forced 3-Picks....LOL

    You accuse me of hypocrisy, but describe only yourself.

    This is entirely too easy!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    @AZUTE1 "Both CSU/SAC ST got CU in the beginning of the season, UTAH played against them at the tail-end of it."

    So? What does that have to do with anything? BYU played WSU at the beginning of the season, Utah played them at the tail-end of it. What's your point?

    And yes, USC was playing without Matt Barkley. But they were playing without Matt Barkley against Notre Dame, and still played the Irish tougher than the 6-6 Georgia Tech Yelllow Jackets.

    "And being down merely 24-21 in the 4th-QTR, before USC's fluke 83 yard bomb and fluke Pick-6, hardly qualifies as getting, "pasted". "

    Interesting...so BYU being down 28-24 to OSU in the 4th Quarter before a fluke batted-down pass that lands in a Beaver's hands in the end zone, and a fluke tipped-up pass from Ross Apo that led to a pick-six for the Beavers is a "curb-stomping", while Utah losing to USC (even after the Trojans gift-wrapped 2 TD's for the Utes) hardly qualifies as getting 'pasted'?

    Your hypocrisy is astounding.

    But we'd expect nothing less from U.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    @TwoForFlinching "My argument still holds more water though because it includes a head-to-head match up between the teams being compared."

    Maybe. But I don't see how. AZUTE1's post (and yours, for that matter) shows just why comparing teams to other teams is a foolhardy practice. Situations change and teams change throughout the course of the season.

    And again, head-to-head goes only so far. Texas A&M beat Alabama, yet Alabama had the better season and were considered the better team. Florida beat South Carolina, but the Gamecocks were ranked higher in the polls at the end of the season.

    Anyhoo, just food for thought :)

    Go Cougars!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    "Ok, so using your logic then, Utah was about as good as CSU and Sacramento St (an FCS team) last year, since both of those teams also barely got by Colorado at Colorado (and neither of those teams needed two KO returns for TD's to do it) and the Utes were worse than the Georgia Tech team that BYU crushed in Atlanta, since the Yellow Jackets knocked off USC on a neutral field, while the Trojans pasted the Utes in Utah."

    Both CSU/SAC ST got CU in the beginning of the season, UTAH played against them at the tail-end of it. USC was minus Matt Barkley for a good chunk of the season to end it, in addition to GT having extra-time to prepare for them in their bowl game. And did anybody witness/read about the behavior of USC while in El Paso? Hardly a focused team, to say the very least.

    UTAH played against USC with Matt Barkely. Enormous difference. And being down merely 24-21 in the 4th-QTR, before USC's fluke 83 yard bomb and fluke Pick-6, hardly qualifies as getting, "pasted". Nice try.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @ truecoug1

    Point taken. My argument still holds more water though because it includes a head-to-head match up between the teams being compared. If Utah has played (and barely beat) CSU and Sac St. last year than I would agree with you that both teams were about on the same level.

    AS for USC, they lost 5 of their last 6. I believe something happened in their locker room that really shook that team up. Either that or they just quit.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 4, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    @TwoForFlinching

    Ok, so using your logic then, Utah was about as good as CSU and Sacramento St (an FCS team) last year, since both of those teams also barely got by Colorado at Colorado (and neither of those teams needed two KO returns for TD's to do it) and the Utes were worse than the Georgia Tech team that BYU crushed in Atlanta, since the Yellow Jackets knocked off USC on a neutral field, while the Trojans pasted the Utes in Utah.

    Does that sound about right?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    @ Riddles in the Dark

    Doesn't matter. BYU also played 5 teams ranked above 100 (4 above 150). That is essentially 5 bye weeks during the season to prepare for the quality teams.

    Also, if we compare the same opponents between the two schools: Utah beat WSU by more, played a much closer game against OSU (on the road), and beat BYU. The only place BYU has the advantage is barely beating USU at home, while Utah lost to USU in OT on the road. Those things suggest Utah had the stronger team last year, despite the final rankings.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 3, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Were byu to have played the same number of PAC-12 teams we have, they would've played significantly more teams who'd finished the season w/a winning-record and, consequently, their winning-percentage would've dipped significantly below ours..."

    That's pure speculation; you have absolutely no proof that would have been the case.

    BYU played FIVE RANKED teams in 2012, beat one that Utah lost to, and played 3 of their other 4 ranked opponents MUCH closer than Utah played the UNRANKED teams that the Utes lost to.

    Unlike Utah, BYU was RANKED in 2011 and didn't LOSE to one of the worst teams in the country, 10-loss Colorado, at home. BYU's bowl opponent, Tulsa, was also ranked significantly higher than Utah's bowl opponent, Georgia Tech.

  • brownderby Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 3, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    Re: Tilka,
    "This JC program was a great feeder to the BYU program. Does anyone else wonder why this decision was made? Does anyone else note how many of the people who made that decision are graduates of the U?"
    Just take a long deep breath now. You will be OK

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 3, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    @FelisConcolor--

    You didn't post SJSU's final SOS ranking....Why not? You also didn't post about how things went for CU following their last hire of a hyped non-BCS HC....Why not?

    And please....Were byu to have played the same number of PAC-12 teams we have, they would've played significantly more teams who'd finished the season w/a winning-record and, consequently, their winning-percentage would've dipped significantly below ours....Remember, the only 2 such teams byu played against [w/winning-records], utterly destroyed byu AT HOME.

    Not to mention the fact that 2 of their losses came against us.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    McIntyre took a hapless SJSU program and turned it into a top 25 team within three years. The parallels are obvious, even if you don't wish to see them. BTW, Colorado returns 19 starters from last season, second-highest in the PAC-12. The Utes are dead last with only 12 coming back. Yeah, it's not going to be pretty up on the hill this year.

    And I do appreciate that Ute fans are finally admitting their confident predictions of going to a Rose Bowl within the first few seasons were highly unrealistic. After another losing season you can console yourself with the idea that the Las Vegas Bowl was not worth the trip anyway.

    Incidentally, BYU's .400 winning percentage against the PAC-12 over the past two seasons is slightly better than the U's (7-11, .388). Perhaps you should wait until your team actually can put together an above .500 season in the PAC before you start talking smack.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 3, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    From Kevin Gemmell at ESPN--

    "I think you have to give Utah at least four seasons in the Pac-12 -- a full class cycle -- before you can start passing judgment on Whittingham. Remember, not only are they adjusting to a higher level of play every week, but they need a grace period to re-work how they operate their program. Utah is seeing television money never thought possible in the Mountain West, and part of the learning curve is figuring out the proper way to appropriate that funding. Hiring Dennis Erickson is a great start -- a move they never would have been able to make financially in a non-AQ conference. Nor would a non-AQ team be able to attract a big-name coach like Erickson to be a coordinator. Let the money sink in, let the new facilities work their magic on recruits and if Utah has a four- or five-year bowl drought, then you can open up discussions. But Whittingham -- who I believe to be an outstanding coach -- should be sitting on ice for now."

  • NorCalCougarFan&Alum Elk Grove, CA
    June 3, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    I think Coach Mendenhall only asks for three-year contracts for two reasons. He has no real long-term commitment to the university and he wants to increase his salary quickly over shorter intervals. Having three-year contracts makes the payout better than five-year contracts as long as he performs decently at his job. I will give Mendenhall credit. He has done an excellent job as BYU's head coach. However, When Mendenhall leaves, the head coaching position should go to an alumnus of the university. Having an alumnus would bring someone to the program who has an emotional attachment to the program. There are possible options. They include Robert Anae and Charlie Stubbs.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 3, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    azute1

    "The BYU fanbase sure likes to point to our 2 year record in conference play as we transition into The PAC-12, a transition which requires multiple recruiting-classes as a BCS school, in order to build the depth necessary to successfully play through a legitimate week-in, week-out grind of a schedule"

    LOL at the whiny excuse making Utah fans have had to resort to to save face and spin why the Utes have become the little fish in the big pond that most non-crimson glasses wearing fans predicted when the Utes were invited to the PAC.

    Arizona, WSU, and Colorado have all had decades "bcs conference" recruiting classes and look where they are. What makes U think that it won't take Utah just as long to become relevant in the PAC as it's taken Arizona?

    Other than your own wishful thinking, where's your evidence that Utah will ever be anything more than a punching bag for the big boys of the conference?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 3, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    @azute1

    I enjoy how you come on here every single day and try to make pre-emptive excuses for why utah is going to have such a pathetic record this year. If they were even 1/4 of the program utah "fans" like yourself proclaim them to be then that "week in week out grind" you keep bragging/whining about would be no problem at all. But the fact is that you know they are not up to it, they are a mediocre program whose "fans" have tried to milk a couple of decent seasons into a legacy, with no success. You see the trend, you see the coming season as a disaster, and you take to the blogosphere daily to try and alternately proclaim greatness while sewing the seeds of excuses for the looming failures. It's funny.

    LOL!

  • BarkforSark PROVO, UT
    June 2, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    azute-

    Making excuses about how it takes time to generate the recruiting classes necessary to compete in the Pac-12 is all swell, except that I didn't hear any Utes fans predicting any of that when the transition started. All I heard was, "We're gonna win the Pac-12 South." "We're gonna compete with Oregon for the Rose Bowl." Now all of a sudden you want to make excuses. How convenient.

    Another thing, in order to get these prized recruits to come to Utah, you have to actually win. And 4-6 win seasons at best is not going to cut it. It's hard enough to convince kids to go to school in UTAH, let alone to play for a garbage football team. The only out-of-state non-Mormon recruits Utah will ever get are the leftovers from USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, etc.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 2, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    there comes a point where a coach has to move on ...take the next step...otherwise he will be left behind. Bronco is at that stage. Bronco sees BYU stuck in independence with no way out and I guess if your ambition is just to stay in Provo and go the the Armed Forces Bowl then good enough...but I sense Bronco wants more, alot more. Bronco is capable of alot more but he is stuck with the recruiting that the Y restricts him to and the schedule and being locked out of BCS. I am betting Bronco wants into the BCS in the worst way and I could see alot of BCS schools taking him. Bronco sees Whitingham getting millions of dollars while he has to settle for about 1/4 of that . At the end of the day it is a business and a career and you are trying to do the best for your family and your kids long term future. If I were Bronco I would most definitely look around and see if I could sign a nice 4 year 8 million dollar deal somewhere. At some point it is about the money.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 2, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    Sign Bronco to diminish all these trolls. Such disdain and hate is appalling!

    Bronco Mendenhall: great coach, great man. Use the increase in football ticket revenue this year and pay the man!

    Go Cougars!

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    June 2, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    Tilka Ricks sent maybe 3 or 4 people to BYU every year and maybe 10 other guys played somewhere else. Most of the guys that finished at Ricks finished football when they left Ricks. The reason they eliminated intercollegiate athletics was they did not want to spend money on a four year program and have an expanded intermural program. I would not mind the Viking Ship sailing again though. If it did would not feed BYU but they would play the likes of the Montana Schools, Idaho State and Weber State. How come nothing happened to intercollegiate athletics at the Hawaii Campus? BSU went from junior college to dominant Div I college same thing could happen to the Y of I.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    June 2, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    What is "PAC-12 level salary"? The last I checked PAC-12 football coaches are paid in echelons, as though they were parts of three different conferences.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 2, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    Nellie,

    I considered it..then I decided that it was the refs. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 2, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    FelisConcolor
    North Salt Lake, UT

    "007

    I'm not so sure about that; Colorado's new coach took a pitiful, bottom-dwelling WAC program and turned it into a nationally-ranked team in three seasons.

    The implications for his tenure in Colorado are even worse for the Utes, because if he repeats the accomplishment in Boulder the Utes will be left all alone in the PAC-12 basement."

    Please elaborate by posting SJSU's final SOS ranking, while you're at it. Then post about how CU's previous hire of a hyped non-BCS HC played-out for them.

    Thanks in advance!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 2, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    The byu fanbase sure likes to point to our 2 year record in conference play as we transition into The PAC-12, a transition which requires multiple recruiting-classes as a BCS school, in order to build the depth necessary to successfully play through a legitimate week-in, week-out grind of a schedule, something which is 100% foreign to byu. Instead, byu is 100% accustomed to feasting upon the likes of Idaho, Idaho St., Hawaii, NMSU, etc., in order to pad their record, become bowl eligible and be able to proclaim their "greatness" to the world. Even their 2013 schedule is ripe w/weeks-off. See our 2013 mid-season 8-game stretch for comparison.

    byu has played against 5 PAC-12 teams now and has a 2-3 record, beating 2 teams which finished at the bottom of the conference and getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped AT HOME by the only 2 teams which finished the season w/a winning-record.

    Good times, brethren, good times, indeed.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Because BYU is a private university and doesn't have to divulge salaries, they can pay whatever they want. Just do it.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 2, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    I have no problem with football being correctly placed at number 5 on Bronco's priority list. I do occasionally have problems with the few, the proud, the defunct, who think it should be closer to number 1.

    Hopefully, Bronco has learned from his mistakes by meddling in the offense then allowing the OC to take the fall for it.

    Consider this about what went wrong with Heaps: After his freshman year he got married.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 2, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    byu could use Embree. lol.

    What's more important to some of you byu "fans"...

    Colorado beating Utah...

    Or byu beating Utah? lol.

    Go Utes.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    Nothing says obsession like a bunch of hill trolls commenting on whether or not BYU should sign Bronco to a new long-term contract.

    It's laughable how much time you spend analyzing every detail of a program you no longer consider relevant.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 2, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    @ LaMont Levi Hansen
    Please show me how BYU earns 30 million a year from ESPN? Do you believe that Christ would rather pay an extra million to a coach than feed the poor and needy people of the world? Remember the BYU football program is used as a missionary tool, it is not the only tool and perhaps not the most effective use of donated monies.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 2, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    SLC BYU Fan

    "Oh there are those that would like to "Rexburgize" the BYU program, but they've been overruled."

    I have a feeling that you and your BYU-hating buddies would like nothing better than to see BYU athletics just go away so that you would no longer have to live in the shadows your big brother.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but it's time to get over your pipe dream and move on. It's never going to happen.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    June 2, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    007

    I'm not so sure about that; Colorado's new coach took a pitiful, bottom-dwelling WAC program and turned it into a nationally-ranked team in three seasons.

    The implications for his tenure in Colorado are even worse for the Utes, because if he repeats the accomplishment in Boulder the Utes will be left all alone in the PAC-12 basement.

  • 007 Layton, UT
    June 2, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    54-10 and Chris B. must sure be glad that Jon Embree is no longer head coach of their big brother, Colorado. 25% of Embree's wins as a head coach have come against the Utes.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    June 2, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    One of the biggest blows to the BYU football program was the elimination of the football program at Ricks when it became BYU Idaho. This JC program was a great feeder to the BYU program. Does anyone else wonder why this decision was made? Does anyone else note how many of the people who made that decision are graduates of the U?

  • ClarkeinAK Anchorage, AK
    June 2, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    I'm not sure all the "love" for Bronco is warranted. I've always been bothered that football is 5th on his priorities...do any of the SEC coaches have football ranked 5th?

    If BYU wants the program to be the "missionary tool" it could/should be, with games televised around the globe, it's gotta have a coach more willing to see it as something other than a 9 to 5 job. Most successful coaches eat, drink and sleep football during the season.

    They have to have a coach who doesn't double as a defensive coordinator (which he is good at...but focusing on one always tends to hurt the other). They need a coach that is willing to discard the kind of loyalty he showed for a QB that had no business being the starter with others more talented sitting on the bench.

    The reality is, Bronco is a good coach, not a great one. He can do the fireside route with the best of them, but on Saturdays, he leaves a bit to be desired on the sidelines.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    June 2, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    Bronco's a great defensive coach and his heart is truly with BYU. I say he deserves a contract.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 2, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Ute football = near bottom of PAC
    Ute basketball = near bottom of PAC
    Ute baseball = near bottom of PAC
    Ute swimming = under investigation
    Ute rugby = suspended
    Ute comments on BYU = priceless

    This article is just a filler in the months where there is little to report on college sports. But because we are all so hungry for college sports, we jump all over it and build on it by adding irrelevant comments about Heaps, Nelson and BYU Idaho.

    While I don't think Mendenhall is the best coach, he is the best coach available for BYU. He's a great defensive coach, and gives complete autonomy to his OC. Doman wasn't ready to be an OC. Anae is. Could Heaps have done better under a different OC - probably. Was Heaps all he was cracked up to be - no. All the coaches last year were "nice guys". The program needs a couple of guys like Anae and Holladay who can really get after the players.

    BYU and Mendenhall will sign a contract before the first game of the season, which is all that's important. In the words of our beloved Chris B - you can Mark it Down.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Utah fans beating up on Bronco? funny.
    Bronco is a great coach, hey Utes, you guys should be worrying a bit more about winning a few conference games then looking down south LOL

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    I am OK with BYU staying with Bronco but I see no reason to rush things after Bronco's stubborn insistence on staying with Riley last year and then passing on a talented hard working senior who was loyal to BYU since high school in favor of a freshman that choose Stanford over BYU coming out of high school.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Mendenhall wouldn't even be a good fit at any other college. This whole thing is a charade..

    BYU doesn't need to pay him crazy amounts of money. He already has a cakewalk job.

    At least 5,000 people could step into the job at BYU and do a good job.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    June 2, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Adam Smith says here It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. Mendenhall will get what he wants and BYU will get what they want for the better. Both are unknowingly selfish but fulfills the Smith economic theory Maybe Mendenhall is not BYUs answer to the next future steps ie national prominence national championships or whatever goal. And likewise Mendenhall needs to further his career goals. Gone are the days when a company cared for its employees. Even BYU cares for its own self interest.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 2, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    I always love the Jake Heaps comments from ute fans who don't know anything about the situation. What we do know is that Jake was flourishing toward the end of his freshman year under Robert Anae's offense. It begs the question, what would Heaps have done if Anae had never left? We also know, that in 2011 Heaps NEVER attained the same level of play under Doman. I like Doman as a person and loved him as a QB, but isn't it obvious from what we know, what the problem was? Bronco let Doman go, brought back Anae (with pressure from Holmoe, who I think still pulled the trigger on that). This would suggest bronco did the right thing when Doman failed by letting him go, even if it was too late for Heaps.
    Ekute:
    I think the way Whitt is doing it might be the opposite. Kyle returns home to his superior alma mater and their superior facilities and tradition to coach the D and linebackers under Bronco. Y fans would love the return of one of their prodigal sons...he could even bring Roderick with him.

  • ballpark ,
    June 2, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    I am a big BYU fan but lets be honest here, Bronco does not have offers from other large conference schools. It would be best for him to sign with BYU for his sake. His schtick wouldn't play well at other schools. The facts are he hasn't done real well the last few years. Yes he wins 10 games a year but Weber, Idaho State, Idaho, etc etc. They have lost all the big games they have played in over the last few years. His career choices are remain as head coach at BYU, go be a D coordinator somewhere, or be a mission president. Seems like he is thinking pretty highly of himself. If he is so confident, I would like to see who comes after him after this upcoming season. BYU should not resign him until after this season. Thats negotiation.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    June 2, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    ekute,

    I agree with your posting. Seattle Sea Hawks coach is sounding pretty good and maybe even
    our own OC. In regards to Heaps, our past #5 QB in the nation, is it he that just didn’t do well or was it the coaching that did not know how to coach is level of talent. When you are the best there is, it must be hard to accept the coaching changes forced upon you, when you know that those coaching changes are not as good as your own professionally trained talents.

    Didn’t Lavel Edwards spend most of his coaching career at BYU earning $80,000 per year? Has anyone ever heard him complain or try to negotiate? It’s a shame that he didn’t get more. As far as Bronco is concerned, when it gets us into a Pac 12 or Big 12 BCS conference, he should be paid the norm of those coaches. As long as he keeps us as a mid major coach, he should get paid the norm for mid major coaches.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    June 2, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    As a Ricks alumni One of many who wishes people at North Temple would want the real thing back. I am sure a good deal of sports fans in Rexburg want it. Want more than there local high school sports for interscholastic competition. Don't know if that will happen in the near future though. The Hawaii campus athletic program is safe right now.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 2, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    @soonerute

    Pretty funny when you call someone else out for not knowing the years when in fact you are the one that is wrong. Heaps freshman year was 2010 and his sophomore year was 2011. Last season was the 2012 season and he was redshirting at Kansas last season (2012).

    LOL!

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    The first thing I said when I saw the story from Rock was that this opens the door for the haters to take their shots at BYU and Coach M. Sure enough, I was right on target. They were right there spewing the hate. I am sure more is coming.

    What is sad is that when the next Kyle story appears, the same thing will happen again in reverse.

    This is the ugly part of being able to comment on stories.

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    June 2, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    Bronco is a great DC but a very mediocre head coach. Rock is correct however that BYU does not have a huge pool of LDS coaches from which to choose.

    Getting another coach to replace Bronco could be a good move or it could be a Crowton-like disaster. A little revelation may be in order...

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    June 2, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    "Heaps will be the starter this year for a team that has been to, and won, a BCS bowl game."

    Really? How players from that 2007 team are still at Kansas? Jake Heaps was a sophomore in high school that year. You do realize that that bowl victory was two head coaches ago. The culture isn't even the same. If he does succeed it could very well be because of what he learned at BYU, and not despite it.

  • BarkforSark PROVO, UT
    June 2, 2013 4:08 a.m.

    Nothing like Ute fans talking smack when just two years into the Pac-12 and their team is already failing to make bowl games. But you're all just happy to be part of the conference, right? Who cares if you become a national joke, right?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 2, 2013 3:24 a.m.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, as I won't bother looking it up, myself, but wasn't heaps rated #1 drop-back passing QB, NOT #1 QB, OVERALL?

    Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 2, 2013 3:20 a.m.

    "Time for BYU to seal deal with Mendenhall"

    PLEASE, get it done and rendered OFFICIAL already, for crying-out-loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    I feel a Shakesperian play coming on....

    Much ado about nothing!

    Rock (and friends), go back and read Holmoe's press conference. This contract issue is about as urgent to the two parties as deciding who wants a free trip on Carnivale Cruise lines.

    They'll get to it when they get to it. Seriously, they don't care yet, neither should we.

  • Cabinfever Las Vegas, NV
    June 1, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    Without all the love that the BYU haters show here, these comments would be positively boring. Thanks boys for keeping the hate coming! Go COUGS!!!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 1, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    SoonerUte
    Salt Lake City, UT

    You missed a season. His freshman year he did reasonably well and showed signs of improvement after the dual starting qb experiment ended with Riley's shoulder injury.

    His sophomore season starting qb was his to lose and he lost it. Riley came on and finished reasonably well as a junior. As a senior, well we all remember that.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    BYU history fact: Heaps was a sophomore in 2011. If you are gonna dip your feet in the BYU comment boards, at least make sure you know your facts.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 1, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    No need Rock to push the panic button, but you sure stirred up ute fans, which maybe is the real intent of the article. The hill is dead, if it weren't for hating BYU they wouldn't know what to do.

    Hey instead of speculating on non-issues, why not see what's going on with utah swimming fiasco, how's independent investigation going (read here: Boosters on the look the other way prowl).

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    June 1, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    Bronco is a very good coach, and one very well suited for BYU's particular situation. I expect the two sides will come to an agreement soon.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    June 1, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    I hope Bronco stays. He is such a swell guy. One that doesn't emphasize football and can overlook 54-10 losses without skipping a beat.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    Sign him to a life time contract.

    For we Utah fans, he's the gift that keeps giving.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    "Anyone who actually watched the '11 season would remember that Heaps was doing quite poorly."

    Anyone who actually watched the '11 season knows that Heaps was a freshmen. Freshmen need development. Anyone who actually watched the '12 season would remember that the "savior" of the '11 season did quite poorly.

    Maybe Jake Heaps should be the gauge for keeping Bronco or not. Heaps will be the starter this year for a team that has been to, and won, a BCS bowl game. If Heaps does well, then it was bad coaching at BYU. If he does poorly, then Bronco was wise and should be signed to a 10 year deal.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 1, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    Wayne, give it a rest. You're actually a pretty decent guy with valid opinions, but this fixation needs to be put to rest.

    Regarding Jake, all we know is he played well his first year, great for a freshman. Then he nose-dived. That's all we know. Such as it was, Riley gave his all for this team, and I would think he deserves a little more respect, or at least appreciation.

    Back to the story, Bronco would be a good coaching fit at most top 25 schools, and a near perfect fit for BYU. I hope the Y does give him close to what he's worth.

    And, Chris, you'd better worry that Kyle can right the ship on the hill this season or u'll be the team with the best ex-coach around.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    Final comment. Why does Crisp B (bless his heart, you can't help but pity him) bring up the 3 game losing streak in the rivalry game, but not Bronco's superb bowl record? Could it be because B cares more about the rivalry game than bowl games?

  • LaMont Levi Hansen Provo, UT
    June 1, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    I think since Kyle makes two million a year we should just pay Bronco three million. Look, the Church has pretty much infinite resources, we make about thirty million a year from ESPN, and its very possible we will be a top ten team this year. Let's just pay him!

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 7:38 p.m.

    Ekute
    "Many of the current Pac12 schools would of [sic] coached him to be a Heisman candidate."

    He is with Coach Weis now, so I guess we will see what that BCS conference can do with him. But it is quite kind of you to stick your neck out there for the guy. I know that he was always quite popular with the BYU detractors.

    And also, there are 8 or so comments here, and more than half of them are from BYU bashers................

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 1, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    @Vladhagen

    You're quick to point out Heaps' failures. Are you forgetting that he was the #1 quarterback prospect out of high school and won the MVP of the New Mexico Bowl?

    Lavelle from the past, and many of the current Pac12 schools would of coached him to become a Heisman candidate.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    With a less than .200 win percentage against ranked teams, a 3 game losing streak to big brother rival Pac 12 Proud Utah, and ZERO of his recruits drafted in the NFL, what is not to like in this guy for Utah fans?

    Bronco for life!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 1, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    He should hold out for one million dollars!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 1, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Or he could follow the Whittinghams over to Utah to become Kyle's D coordinator, probably make as much or more money than what byu pays him, and go back to being himself, instead of what byu tells him to be.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    @Wayne
    Anyone who actually watched the '11 season would remember that Heaps was doing quite poorly. The offense did not win a single one of those four games prior to the USU game. They beat Ole Miss on a defensive touchdown, and they beat UCF on a kickoff return. I sort of doubt that the USU would have had a winning outcome if not for Riley Nelson. Riley did not have a great finish, but Heaps was not the be all end all answer that Bronco chased away.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    June 1, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    No one except Bronco would have driven Jake Heaps out in favor of a guy who could never pass the ball or cope with defenses. Nelson did field punts in practice,but the other coaches might have seen through this ploy.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    I wonder if Bronco brought Robert Anae back to teach him the ropes as the heir apparent. Also, BYU has got be be earning more now than they were when Bronco signed the last contract, so they should be able to pay him a bit more now. Who knows, may Tom Holmoe will start coaching the team if Bronco does not sign a contract.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    I have a feeling Holmoe & Samuelson are willing to open the checkbook and pay Mendenhall what a typical Big-12/Pac-12 coach gets, BUT someone at 47 East South Temple feels it isn't fair that BYU & Utah can retain coaches they like but Utah State lacks such financial resources. Oh there are those that would like to "Rexburgize" the BYU program, but they've been overruled.