I have a feeling Holmoe & Samuelson are willing to open the checkbook and
pay Mendenhall what a typical Big-12/Pac-12 coach gets, BUT someone at 47 East
South Temple feels it isn't fair that BYU & Utah can retain coaches
they like but Utah State lacks such financial resources. Oh there are those
that would like to "Rexburgize" the BYU program, but they've been
I wonder if Bronco brought Robert Anae back to teach him the ropes as the heir
apparent. Also, BYU has got be be earning more now than they were when Bronco
signed the last contract, so they should be able to pay him a bit more now. Who
knows, may Tom Holmoe will start coaching the team if Bronco does not sign a
No one except Bronco would have driven Jake Heaps out in favor of a guy who
could never pass the ball or cope with defenses. Nelson did field punts in
practice,but the other coaches might have seen through this ploy.
@WayneAnyone who actually watched the '11 season would remember that
Heaps was doing quite poorly. The offense did not win a single one of those four
games prior to the USU game. They beat Ole Miss on a defensive touchdown, and
they beat UCF on a kickoff return. I sort of doubt that the USU would have had a
winning outcome if not for Riley Nelson. Riley did not have a great finish, but
Heaps was not the be all end all answer that Bronco chased away.
Or he could follow the Whittinghams over to Utah to become Kyle's D
coordinator, probably make as much or more money than what byu pays him, and go
back to being himself, instead of what byu tells him to be.
He should hold out for one million dollars!
With a less than .200 win percentage against ranked teams, a 3 game losing
streak to big brother rival Pac 12 Proud Utah, and ZERO of his recruits drafted
in the NFL, what is not to like in this guy for Utah fans?Bronco for
@VladhagenYou're quick to point out Heaps' failures. Are
you forgetting that he was the #1 quarterback prospect out of high school and
won the MVP of the New Mexico Bowl?Lavelle from the past, and many
of the current Pac12 schools would of coached him to become a Heisman candidate.
Ekute"Many of the current Pac12 schools would of [sic] coached him to
be a Heisman candidate."He is with Coach Weis now, so I guess we
will see what that BCS conference can do with him. But it is quite kind of you
to stick your neck out there for the guy. I know that he was always quite
popular with the BYU detractors.And also, there are 8 or so comments
here, and more than half of them are from BYU bashers................
I think since Kyle makes two million a year we should just pay Bronco three
million. Look, the Church has pretty much infinite resources, we make about
thirty million a year from ESPN, and its very possible we will be a top ten team
this year. Let's just pay him!
Final comment. Why does Crisp B (bless his heart, you can't help but pity
him) bring up the 3 game losing streak in the rivalry game, but not
Bronco's superb bowl record? Could it be because B cares more about the
rivalry game than bowl games?
Wayne, give it a rest. You're actually a pretty decent guy with valid
opinions, but this fixation needs to be put to rest. Regarding Jake,
all we know is he played well his first year, great for a freshman. Then he
nose-dived. That's all we know. Such as it was, Riley gave his all for
this team, and I would think he deserves a little more respect, or at least
appreciation. Back to the story, Bronco would be a good coaching
fit at most top 25 schools, and a near perfect fit for BYU. I hope the Y does
give him close to what he's worth. And, Chris, you'd
better worry that Kyle can right the ship on the hill this season or u'll
be the team with the best ex-coach around.
"Anyone who actually watched the '11 season would remember that Heaps
was doing quite poorly."Anyone who actually watched the '11
season knows that Heaps was a freshmen. Freshmen need development. Anyone who
actually watched the '12 season would remember that the "savior" of
the '11 season did quite poorly. Maybe Jake Heaps should be
the gauge for keeping Bronco or not. Heaps will be the starter this year for a
team that has been to, and won, a BCS bowl game. If Heaps does well, then it
was bad coaching at BYU. If he does poorly, then Bronco was wise and should be
signed to a 10 year deal.
Sign him to a life time contract.For we Utah fans, he's the
gift that keeps giving.
I hope Bronco stays. He is such a swell guy. One that doesn't emphasize
football and can overlook 54-10 losses without skipping a beat.
Bronco is a very good coach, and one very well suited for BYU's particular
situation. I expect the two sides will come to an agreement soon.
No need Rock to push the panic button, but you sure stirred up ute fans, which
maybe is the real intent of the article. The hill is dead, if it weren't
for hating BYU they wouldn't know what to do. Hey instead of
speculating on non-issues, why not see what's going on with utah swimming
fiasco, how's independent investigation going (read here: Boosters on the
look the other way prowl).
BYU history fact: Heaps was a sophomore in 2011. If you are gonna dip your feet
in the BYU comment boards, at least make sure you know your facts.
SoonerUteSalt Lake City, UTYou missed a season. His freshman
year he did reasonably well and showed signs of improvement after the dual
starting qb experiment ended with Riley's shoulder injury. His
sophomore season starting qb was his to lose and he lost it. Riley came on and
finished reasonably well as a junior. As a senior, well we all remember that.
Without all the love that the BYU haters show here, these comments would be
positively boring. Thanks boys for keeping the hate coming! Go COUGS!!!
I feel a Shakesperian play coming on....Much ado about nothing!Rock (and friends), go back and read Holmoe's press conference.
This contract issue is about as urgent to the two parties as deciding who wants
a free trip on Carnivale Cruise lines.They'll get to it when
they get to it. Seriously, they don't care yet, neither should we.
"Time for BYU to seal deal with Mendenhall"PLEASE, get it
done and rendered OFFICIAL already, for crying-out-loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I won't bother looking it up, myself, but
wasn't heaps rated #1 drop-back passing QB, NOT #1 QB, OVERALL?Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!
Nothing like Ute fans talking smack when just two years into the Pac-12 and
their team is already failing to make bowl games. But you're all just happy
to be part of the conference, right? Who cares if you become a national joke,
"Heaps will be the starter this year for a team that has been to, and won, a
BCS bowl game."Really? How players from that 2007 team are
still at Kansas? Jake Heaps was a sophomore in high school that year. You do
realize that that bowl victory was two head coaches ago. The culture isn't
even the same. If he does succeed it could very well be because of what he
learned at BYU, and not despite it.
Bronco is a great DC but a very mediocre head coach. Rock is correct however
that BYU does not have a huge pool of LDS coaches from which to choose.Getting another coach to replace Bronco could be a good move or it could be a
Crowton-like disaster. A little revelation may be in order...
The first thing I said when I saw the story from Rock was that this opens the
door for the haters to take their shots at BYU and Coach M. Sure enough, I was
right on target. They were right there spewing the hate. I am sure more is
coming.What is sad is that when the next Kyle story appears, the
same thing will happen again in reverse.This is the ugly part of
being able to comment on stories.
@soonerutePretty funny when you call someone else out for not
knowing the years when in fact you are the one that is wrong. Heaps freshman
year was 2010 and his sophomore year was 2011. Last season was the 2012 season
and he was redshirting at Kansas last season (2012).LOL!
As a Ricks alumni One of many who wishes people at North Temple would want the
real thing back. I am sure a good deal of sports fans in Rexburg want it. Want
more than there local high school sports for interscholastic competition.
Don't know if that will happen in the near future though. The Hawaii
campus athletic program is safe right now.
ekute,I agree with your posting. Seattle Sea Hawks coach is
sounding pretty good and maybe evenour own OC. In regards to Heaps, our
past #5 QB in the nation, is it he that just didn’t do well or was it the
coaching that did not know how to coach is level of talent. When you are the
best there is, it must be hard to accept the coaching changes forced upon you,
when you know that those coaching changes are not as good as your own
professionally trained talents.Didn’t Lavel Edwards spend most
of his coaching career at BYU earning $80,000 per year? Has anyone ever heard
him complain or try to negotiate? It’s a shame that he didn’t get
more. As far as Bronco is concerned, when it gets us into a Pac 12 or Big 12
BCS conference, he should be paid the norm of those coaches. As long as he
keeps us as a mid major coach, he should get paid the norm for mid major
I am a big BYU fan but lets be honest here, Bronco does not have offers from
other large conference schools. It would be best for him to sign with BYU for
his sake. His schtick wouldn't play well at other schools. The facts are
he hasn't done real well the last few years. Yes he wins 10 games a year
but Weber, Idaho State, Idaho, etc etc. They have lost all the big games they
have played in over the last few years. His career choices are remain as head
coach at BYU, go be a D coordinator somewhere, or be a mission president. Seems
like he is thinking pretty highly of himself. If he is so confident, I would
like to see who comes after him after this upcoming season. BYU should not
resign him until after this season. Thats negotiation.
I always love the Jake Heaps comments from ute fans who don't know anything
about the situation. What we do know is that Jake was flourishing toward the end
of his freshman year under Robert Anae's offense. It begs the question,
what would Heaps have done if Anae had never left? We also know, that in 2011
Heaps NEVER attained the same level of play under Doman. I like Doman as a
person and loved him as a QB, but isn't it obvious from what we know, what
the problem was? Bronco let Doman go, brought back Anae (with pressure from
Holmoe, who I think still pulled the trigger on that). This would suggest bronco
did the right thing when Doman failed by letting him go, even if it was too late
for Heaps. Ekute:I think the way Whitt is doing it might be the
opposite. Kyle returns home to his superior alma mater and their superior
facilities and tradition to coach the D and linebackers under Bronco. Y fans
would love the return of one of their prodigal sons...he could even bring
Roderick with him.
Adam Smith says here It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer
or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own
self-interest. Mendenhall will get what he wants and BYU will get what they want
for the better. Both are unknowingly selfish but fulfills the Smith economic
theory Maybe Mendenhall is not BYUs answer to the next future steps ie national
prominence national championships or whatever goal. And likewise Mendenhall
needs to further his career goals. Gone are the days when a company cared for
its employees. Even BYU cares for its own self interest.
Mendenhall wouldn't even be a good fit at any other college. This whole
thing is a charade..BYU doesn't need to pay him crazy amounts
of money. He already has a cakewalk job.At least 5,000 people could
step into the job at BYU and do a good job.
I am OK with BYU staying with Bronco but I see no reason to rush things after
Bronco's stubborn insistence on staying with Riley last year and then
passing on a talented hard working senior who was loyal to BYU since high school
in favor of a freshman that choose Stanford over BYU coming out of high school.
Utah fans beating up on Bronco? funny.Bronco is a great coach, hey Utes,
you guys should be worrying a bit more about winning a few conference games then
looking down south LOL
Ute football = near bottom of PACUte basketball = near bottom of PACUte baseball = near bottom of PACUte swimming = under investigationUte rugby = suspendedUte comments on BYU = pricelessThis
article is just a filler in the months where there is little to report on
college sports. But because we are all so hungry for college sports, we jump
all over it and build on it by adding irrelevant comments about Heaps, Nelson
and BYU Idaho.While I don't think Mendenhall is the best coach,
he is the best coach available for BYU. He's a great defensive coach, and
gives complete autonomy to his OC. Doman wasn't ready to be an OC. Anae
is. Could Heaps have done better under a different OC - probably. Was Heaps
all he was cracked up to be - no. All the coaches last year were "nice
guys". The program needs a couple of guys like Anae and Holladay who can
really get after the players.BYU and Mendenhall will sign a contract
before the first game of the season, which is all that's important. In the
words of our beloved Chris B - you can Mark it Down.
Bronco's a great defensive coach and his heart is truly with BYU. I say he
deserves a contract.
I'm not sure all the "love" for Bronco is warranted. I've
always been bothered that football is 5th on his priorities...do any of the SEC
coaches have football ranked 5th? If BYU wants the program to be
the "missionary tool" it could/should be, with games televised around
the globe, it's gotta have a coach more willing to see it as something
other than a 9 to 5 job. Most successful coaches eat, drink and sleep football
during the season. They have to have a coach who doesn't double
as a defensive coordinator (which he is good at...but focusing on one always
tends to hurt the other). They need a coach that is willing to discard the kind
of loyalty he showed for a QB that had no business being the starter with others
more talented sitting on the bench. The reality is, Bronco is a
good coach, not a great one. He can do the fireside route with the best of
them, but on Saturdays, he leaves a bit to be desired on the sidelines.
One of the biggest blows to the BYU football program was the elimination of the
football program at Ricks when it became BYU Idaho. This JC program was a great
feeder to the BYU program. Does anyone else wonder why this decision was made?
Does anyone else note how many of the people who made that decision are
graduates of the U?
54-10 and Chris B. must sure be glad that Jon Embree is no longer head coach of
their big brother, Colorado. 25% of Embree's wins as a head coach have
come against the Utes.
007I'm not so sure about that; Colorado's new coach took a
pitiful, bottom-dwelling WAC program and turned it into a nationally-ranked team
in three seasons.The implications for his tenure in Colorado are
even worse for the Utes, because if he repeats the accomplishment in Boulder the
Utes will be left all alone in the PAC-12 basement.
SLC BYU Fan"Oh there are those that would like to
"Rexburgize" the BYU program, but they've been overruled."I have a feeling that you and your BYU-hating buddies would like nothing
better than to see BYU athletics just go away so that you would no longer have
to live in the shadows your big brother.Sorry to burst your crimson
bubble, but it's time to get over your pipe dream and move on. It's
never going to happen.
@ LaMont Levi HansenPlease show me how BYU earns 30 million a year from
ESPN? Do you believe that Christ would rather pay an extra million to a coach
than feed the poor and needy people of the world? Remember the BYU football
program is used as a missionary tool, it is not the only tool and perhaps not
the most effective use of donated monies.
Nothing says obsession like a bunch of hill trolls commenting on whether or not
BYU should sign Bronco to a new long-term contract.It's
laughable how much time you spend analyzing every detail of a program you no
longer consider relevant.
byu could use Embree. lol.What's more important to some of you
byu "fans"...Colorado beating Utah...Or byu
beating Utah? lol.Go Utes.
I have no problem with football being correctly placed at number 5 on
Bronco's priority list. I do occasionally have problems with the few, the
proud, the defunct, who think it should be closer to number 1. Hopefully, Bronco has learned from his mistakes by meddling in the offense
then allowing the OC to take the fall for it. Consider this about
what went wrong with Heaps: After his freshman year he got married.
Because BYU is a private university and doesn't have to divulge salaries,
they can pay whatever they want. Just do it.
The byu fanbase sure likes to point to our 2 year record in conference play as
we transition into The PAC-12, a transition which requires multiple
recruiting-classes as a BCS school, in order to build the depth necessary to
successfully play through a legitimate week-in, week-out grind of a schedule,
something which is 100% foreign to byu. Instead, byu is 100% accustomed to
feasting upon the likes of Idaho, Idaho St., Hawaii, NMSU, etc., in order to pad
their record, become bowl eligible and be able to proclaim their
"greatness" to the world. Even their 2013 schedule is ripe w/weeks-off.
See our 2013 mid-season 8-game stretch for comparison.byu has
played against 5 PAC-12 teams now and has a 2-3 record, beating 2 teams which
finished at the bottom of the conference and getting absolutely brutally
curb-stomped AT HOME by the only 2 teams which finished the season w/a
winning-record.Good times, brethren, good times, indeed.
FelisConcolorNorth Salt Lake, UT"007I'm
not so sure about that; Colorado's new coach took a pitiful,
bottom-dwelling WAC program and turned it into a nationally-ranked team in three
seasons.The implications for his tenure in Colorado are even worse
for the Utes, because if he repeats the accomplishment in Boulder the Utes will
be left all alone in the PAC-12 basement."Please elaborate by
posting SJSU's final SOS ranking, while you're at it. Then post about
how CU's previous hire of a hyped non-BCS HC played-out for them.Thanks in advance!
Nellie,I considered it..then I decided that it was the refs. lol.Go Utes.
What is "PAC-12 level salary"? The last I checked PAC-12 football
coaches are paid in echelons, as though they were parts of three different
Tilka Ricks sent maybe 3 or 4 people to BYU every year and maybe 10 other guys
played somewhere else. Most of the guys that finished at Ricks finished
football when they left Ricks. The reason they eliminated intercollegiate
athletics was they did not want to spend money on a four year program and have
an expanded intermural program. I would not mind the Viking Ship sailing again
though. If it did would not feed BYU but they would play the likes of the
Montana Schools, Idaho State and Weber State. How come nothing happened to
intercollegiate athletics at the Hawaii Campus? BSU went from junior college to
dominant Div I college same thing could happen to the Y of I.
Sign Bronco to diminish all these trolls. Such disdain and hate is appalling!Bronco Mendenhall: great coach, great man. Use the increase in football
ticket revenue this year and pay the man!Go Cougars!
there comes a point where a coach has to move on ...take the next
step...otherwise he will be left behind. Bronco is at that stage. Bronco sees
BYU stuck in independence with no way out and I guess if your ambition is just
to stay in Provo and go the the Armed Forces Bowl then good enough...but I sense
Bronco wants more, alot more. Bronco is capable of alot more but he is stuck
with the recruiting that the Y restricts him to and the schedule and being
locked out of BCS. I am betting Bronco wants into the BCS in the worst way and I
could see alot of BCS schools taking him. Bronco sees Whitingham getting
millions of dollars while he has to settle for about 1/4 of that . At the end of
the day it is a business and a career and you are trying to do the best for your
family and your kids long term future. If I were Bronco I would most definitely
look around and see if I could sign a nice 4 year 8 million dollar deal
somewhere. At some point it is about the money.
azute-Making excuses about how it takes time to generate the
recruiting classes necessary to compete in the Pac-12 is all swell, except that
I didn't hear any Utes fans predicting any of that when the transition
started. All I heard was, "We're gonna win the Pac-12 South."
"We're gonna compete with Oregon for the Rose Bowl." Now all of a
sudden you want to make excuses. How convenient.Another thing, in
order to get these prized recruits to come to Utah, you have to actually win.
And 4-6 win seasons at best is not going to cut it. It's hard enough to
convince kids to go to school in UTAH, let alone to play for a garbage football
team. The only out-of-state non-Mormon recruits Utah will ever get are the
leftovers from USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, etc.
@azute1I enjoy how you come on here every single day and try to make
pre-emptive excuses for why utah is going to have such a pathetic record this
year. If they were even 1/4 of the program utah "fans" like yourself
proclaim them to be then that "week in week out grind" you keep
bragging/whining about would be no problem at all. But the fact is that you know
they are not up to it, they are a mediocre program whose "fans" have
tried to milk a couple of decent seasons into a legacy, with no success. You see
the trend, you see the coming season as a disaster, and you take to the
blogosphere daily to try and alternately proclaim greatness while sewing the
seeds of excuses for the looming failures. It's funny.LOL!
azute1"The BYU fanbase sure likes to point to our 2 year record
in conference play as we transition into The PAC-12, a transition which requires
multiple recruiting-classes as a BCS school, in order to build the depth
necessary to successfully play through a legitimate week-in, week-out grind of a
schedule"LOL at the whiny excuse making Utah fans have had to
resort to to save face and spin why the Utes have become the little fish in the
big pond that most non-crimson glasses wearing fans predicted when the Utes were
invited to the PAC.Arizona, WSU, and Colorado have all had decades
"bcs conference" recruiting classes and look where they are. What makes
U think that it won't take Utah just as long to become relevant in the PAC
as it's taken Arizona?Other than your own wishful thinking,
where's your evidence that Utah will ever be anything more than a punching
bag for the big boys of the conference?
I think Coach Mendenhall only asks for three-year contracts for two reasons. He
has no real long-term commitment to the university and he wants to increase his
salary quickly over shorter intervals. Having three-year contracts makes the
payout better than five-year contracts as long as he performs decently at his
job. I will give Mendenhall credit. He has done an excellent job as BYU's
head coach. However, When Mendenhall leaves, the head coaching position should
go to an alumnus of the university. Having an alumnus would bring someone to the
program who has an emotional attachment to the program. There are possible
options. They include Robert Anae and Charlie Stubbs.
From Kevin Gemmell at ESPN--"I think you have to give Utah at
least four seasons in the Pac-12 -- a full class cycle -- before you can start
passing judgment on Whittingham. Remember, not only are they adjusting to a
higher level of play every week, but they need a grace period to re-work how
they operate their program. Utah is seeing television money never thought
possible in the Mountain West, and part of the learning curve is figuring out
the proper way to appropriate that funding. Hiring Dennis Erickson is a great
start -- a move they never would have been able to make financially in a non-AQ
conference. Nor would a non-AQ team be able to attract a big-name coach like
Erickson to be a coordinator. Let the money sink in, let the new facilities work
their magic on recruits and if Utah has a four- or five-year bowl drought, then
you can open up discussions. But Whittingham -- who I believe to be an
outstanding coach -- should be sitting on ice for now."
AZUTE1McIntyre took a hapless SJSU program and turned it into a top
25 team within three years. The parallels are obvious, even if you don't
wish to see them. BTW, Colorado returns 19 starters from last season,
second-highest in the PAC-12. The Utes are dead last with only 12 coming back.
Yeah, it's not going to be pretty up on the hill this year.And
I do appreciate that Ute fans are finally admitting their confident predictions
of going to a Rose Bowl within the first few seasons were highly unrealistic.
After another losing season you can console yourself with the idea that the Las
Vegas Bowl was not worth the trip anyway.Incidentally, BYU's
.400 winning percentage against the PAC-12 over the past two seasons is slightly
better than the U's (7-11, .388). Perhaps you should wait until your team
actually can put together an above .500 season in the PAC before you start
@FelisConcolor--You didn't post SJSU's final SOS
ranking....Why not? You also didn't post about how things went for CU
following their last hire of a hyped non-BCS HC....Why not?And
please....Were byu to have played the same number of PAC-12 teams we have, they
would've played significantly more teams who'd finished the season w/a
winning-record and, consequently, their winning-percentage would've dipped
significantly below ours....Remember, the only 2 such teams byu played against
[w/winning-records], utterly destroyed byu AT HOME.Not to mention
the fact that 2 of their losses came against us.
Re: Tilka, "This JC program was a great feeder to the BYU program.
Does anyone else wonder why this decision was made? Does anyone else note how
many of the people who made that decision are graduates of the U?"
Just take a long deep breath now. You will be OK
AZUTE1"Were byu to have played the same number of PAC-12 teams
we have, they would've played significantly more teams who'd finished
the season w/a winning-record and, consequently, their winning-percentage
would've dipped significantly below ours..."That's
pure speculation; you have absolutely no proof that would have been the case.BYU played FIVE RANKED teams in 2012, beat one that Utah lost to, and
played 3 of their other 4 ranked opponents MUCH closer than Utah played the
UNRANKED teams that the Utes lost to.Unlike Utah, BYU was RANKED in
2011 and didn't LOSE to one of the worst teams in the country, 10-loss
Colorado, at home. BYU's bowl opponent, Tulsa, was also ranked
significantly higher than Utah's bowl opponent, Georgia Tech.
@ Riddles in the DarkDoesn't matter. BYU also played 5 teams
ranked above 100 (4 above 150). That is essentially 5 bye weeks during the
season to prepare for the quality teams.Also, if we compare the same
opponents between the two schools: Utah beat WSU by more, played a much closer
game against OSU (on the road), and beat BYU. The only place BYU has the
advantage is barely beating USU at home, while Utah lost to USU in OT on the
road. Those things suggest Utah had the stronger team last year, despite the
@TwoForFlinchingOk, so using your logic then, Utah was about as good
as CSU and Sacramento St (an FCS team) last year, since both of those teams also
barely got by Colorado at Colorado (and neither of those teams needed two KO
returns for TD's to do it) and the Utes were worse than the Georgia Tech
team that BYU crushed in Atlanta, since the Yellow Jackets knocked off USC on a
neutral field, while the Trojans pasted the Utes in Utah.Does that
sound about right?
@ truecoug1Point taken. My argument still holds more water though
because it includes a head-to-head match up between the teams being compared.
If Utah has played (and barely beat) CSU and Sac St. last year than I would
agree with you that both teams were about on the same level.AS for
USC, they lost 5 of their last 6. I believe something happened in their locker
room that really shook that team up. Either that or they just quit.
"Ok, so using your logic then, Utah was about as good as CSU and Sacramento
St (an FCS team) last year, since both of those teams also barely got by
Colorado at Colorado (and neither of those teams needed two KO returns for
TD's to do it) and the Utes were worse than the Georgia Tech team that BYU
crushed in Atlanta, since the Yellow Jackets knocked off USC on a neutral field,
while the Trojans pasted the Utes in Utah."Both CSU/SAC ST got
CU in the beginning of the season, UTAH played against them at the tail-end of
it. USC was minus Matt Barkley for a good chunk of the season to end it, in
addition to GT having extra-time to prepare for them in their bowl game. And
did anybody witness/read about the behavior of USC while in El Paso? Hardly a
focused team, to say the very least.UTAH played against USC with
Matt Barkely. Enormous difference. And being down merely 24-21 in the 4th-QTR,
before USC's fluke 83 yard bomb and fluke Pick-6, hardly qualifies as
getting, "pasted". Nice try.
@TwoForFlinching "My argument still holds more water though because it
includes a head-to-head match up between the teams being compared."Maybe. But I don't see how. AZUTE1's post (and yours, for that
matter) shows just why comparing teams to other teams is a foolhardy practice.
Situations change and teams change throughout the course of the season.And again, head-to-head goes only so far. Texas A&M beat Alabama, yet
Alabama had the better season and were considered the better team. Florida beat
South Carolina, but the Gamecocks were ranked higher in the polls at the end of
the season.Anyhoo, just food for thought :)Go Cougars!
@AZUTE1 "Both CSU/SAC ST got CU in the beginning of the season, UTAH played
against them at the tail-end of it."So? What does that have to
do with anything? BYU played WSU at the beginning of the season, Utah played
them at the tail-end of it. What's your point?And yes, USC was
playing without Matt Barkley. But they were playing without Matt Barkley
against Notre Dame, and still played the Irish tougher than the 6-6 Georgia Tech
Yelllow Jackets."And being down merely 24-21 in the 4th-QTR,
before USC's fluke 83 yard bomb and fluke Pick-6, hardly qualifies as
getting, "pasted". "Interesting...so BYU being down
28-24 to OSU in the 4th Quarter before a fluke batted-down pass that lands in a
Beaver's hands in the end zone, and a fluke tipped-up pass from Ross Apo
that led to a pick-six for the Beavers is a "curb-stomping", while Utah
losing to USC (even after the Trojans gift-wrapped 2 TD's for the Utes)
hardly qualifies as getting 'pasted'?Your hypocrisy is
astounding.But we'd expect nothing less from U.Go
"BYU played WSU at the beginning of the season, Utah played them at the
tail-end of it. What's your point?"WAZZU? Huh?"But they were playing without Matt Barkley against Notre Dame, and still
played the Irish tougher than the 6-6 Georgia Tech Yelllow Jackets."9-pts vs. 14-pts? ND came at home in a rivalry game. Re-read ENTIRETY
of what I posted, instead."Interesting...so BYU being down 28-24
to OSU in the 4th Quarter before a fluke batted-down pass that lands in a
Beaver's hands in the end zone, and a fluke tipped-up pass from Ross Apo
that led to a pick-six for the Beavers is a "curb-stomping", while Utah
losing to USC (even after the Trojans gift-wrapped 2 TD's for the Utes)
hardly qualifies as getting 'pasted'?"OSU's
relevant?We forced 2 TOs/earned those 14-PTS against USC. OSU
nearly doubled-up byu in the final score. Minus fluke bomb, UTAH/USC virtually
even in total yards. rn had 51 ATT in this game, but OSU forced
3-Picks....LOLYou accuse me of hypocrisy, but describe only
yourself.This is entirely too easy!
AZUTE1Comparative scores are comparatively meaningless.BYU destroyed Georgia Tech (41-17) on the road, which easily handled USC
(21-7) in the Sun Bowl, which dominated Utah (38-28) in RES. USC lead 38-17
midway through the 4th quarter. The Utes scored a meaningless TD with 38 seconds
left in garbage time to make the final score more respectable.After
all of your spin, however, the final rankings are the final word on the
season:#26 BYU > #61 Utahbtw, Sagarin includes SOS
in his rankings calculations, so U can save your whiny SOS excuses for someone
midpacmajor--"Comparative scores are comparatively
meaningless.BYU destroyed Georgia Tech (41-17) on the road, which
easily handled USC (21-7) in the Sun Bowl, which dominated Utah (38-28) in RES.
USC lead 38-17 midway through the 4th quarter. The Utes scored a meaningless TD
with 38 seconds left in garbage time to make the final score more
respectable.#26 BYU > #61 Utah"As previously
stated, it was 24-21 into the 4th-QTR against USC, with Barkley. Barkley
didn't face Barkley [like byu didn't face ND's QB].
Barkley's B.U. was worse than Hays was initially for us. GT had extra time
to prepare for them. USC was also making use of their free-time telling El Paso
how disgusting their city was via Twitter and embarrassing themselves/The PAC-12
by doing so, as well as by standing-up GT for dinner. Hardly a focused/inspired
team, which got a lot of heat for their behavior down there, particularly their
HC Lane Kiffen.Sun Bowl was close throughout. You throw-out 21-7,
like it were 54-10/42-24 or something. Save USC's fluke 83-YD TD,
we're virtually even in yards/points, etc.
[Cont'd]--Nah, getting dominated is what produced the two
final-margins by which byu suffered defeat at home against the only PAC-12 teams
they've played thus far which finished season with a winning-record.Something you don't mention when referencing GT last season, is the
fact that byu's team-strength last season was playing against the run
[unless of course you're ND] and this is all GT does. It was the perfect
team for them to play against. I may be wrong in what I believe I heard, but
wasn't GT one of the nation's youngest teams last season? [Just saw
they return 15 starters in 2013.]Couple this with byu losing the
majority of their starters on D from 2012 and all of their experience, and the
GT game in 2013 could get quite interesting, if you can dig it.
**Correction--"Barkley didn't face Barkley"--Should
read, "GT didn't face Barkley".