I know a lot of people who are brilliant at their jobs, but have a tin ear when
it comes to other people's feelings. I suspect he's smart enough to
take the criticism to heart and knock off the ill-advised humor.
We really need to step back and take a deep breath on this story. I cannot see
this issue worthwhile to even write about. Gordon Gee is an intelligent college
administrator and his comments about Catholics probably did not offend even one
Catholic. We really need to stop living in a bubble which no one else lives in.
Gee should have known better. I still think we should lighten up a little as a
society. I thought the remarks as published in two articles in the d news were
funny.The truth is friends poke fun at each other. They also apologize n they
mess up and go to far.
David Letterman was ten times worse during the elections. His attacks on Mormons
were over the fence nightly, and nothing was said. It's
interesting who we choose to condem, and who we let get by.
Gordon Gee is just like Harry Reid. When Harry made an insensitive remark about
Barack Obama's linguistics, people in his party talked of him like a crazy
uncle. "Oh Harry just says stuff like that." As long as Gordon stays
liberal, he'll be OK.
@Dick HarmonMaybe he’s just joined the rest of the crowd in
this country who believe Christian, Mormon and Catholic bashing is fair game,
but Muslims are off-limits. It’s kind of nuts.--------------Muslims are off-limits? How so? I guess Dick
Harmon doesn't watch Fox News or research. Mr. Harmon fails to
see that religious bigotry has no limits:"The controversy over
the planned Park 51 community center in New York City is only one example of
opposition to mosques and Islamic centers in the United States. Existing and
proposed mosque sites across the country have been targeted for vandalism and
other criminal acts, and there have been efforts to block or deny necessary
zoning permits for the construction and expansion of other facilities." --
The oil rig folks comment invalidated everything after it. Seriously, Dick,
apologize like a man.
What gets me is that the comments were made in December, and it's not a big
deal until late May. I expect some of the folks in the room laughing in
December are the same that are now sending Gee to "remediation",
whatever that is.I get the impression the community could care less
about the comments; it's the fact that they made the news and made Ohio
State look bad that is the problem. I guess that's modern ethics; anything
goes unless it gets negative press.
We all say stuff we regret later. Some of us are just on bigger stages. I
agree with DonO that one would simply expect better decision-making and
judgement from someone of this man's age, academic achievement, religion,
Place his comments into context. ND is a powerhouse that can take some jabs.
They just snubbed the Big Ten Conference. Catholics have been around for 2,000
years and I doubt that his remarks made them lose sleep. Was his
humor out of place or awkward? Yep. But who out there has never said anything
out of place or awkward? The old guy got clowning around and should have shut
up. He regrets that he crossed a line. No real damage was done. Let's
I just think good-ole' "Elwood" (Gee's given first name,
although he prefers Gordon) I think was merely in a toungue and cheek way
pointing out why his alma-matter (Utah '68) is in the Pac-12 and his first
employer out of Columbia grad' school isn't. Gee was an Associate
Dean of the BYU Law School from 1973-1979 to start his long resume in acadamia.
Oh well, Boise State fans can feel better now that they aren't the only
"Lil' Sistes of the Poor." Time to lighten up a little Dick!
I read a big article in the International Herald Tribune about Gee's
comments yesterday coming back from overseas. The comments went into a more
personal nature when he talked about Father Joyce who runs ND athletics. Read
the article, people. I was embarrassed that Gee made the comments and was
mentioned as being Mormon. Not cool. If we want respect, we need to
show respect. Gee apologized but what I have a problem with is some
of the posters here who think his behavior is OK. As a University president, his
"humor" was out of place. Don Rickles can say this stuff as a comedian
but Dr. Gee is no comedian.
I guess I'm naive but I expect more common sense and common courtesy from
"educated" people in positions of responsibility like Gordon Gee. There
is no such thing as a "closed" meeting, no such thing as "off the
record." A person such as Gee who makes bone-headed, arrogant comments
should expect them to surface to the embarrassment of the person and the
institution(s) he/she represents. Gee should know better. But perhaps Lord
Acton's comments have come into play: Power corrupts. Absolute power
Gee whiz! You have to presume that ND is still Catholic to take this as a
slight to Catholics. As a Catholic Navy vet, I point out that conservative
Catholics have grave doubts about what has happened at Notre Dame (du Lac). In
fact, ND (12-0)is no longer the Irish D-1 football school. That would be Boston
College (2-10) who still have leprechauns and all the magic. BC proved that in
'95 when David Gordon, the left footed Jewish kid, knocked ND from a
national championship with a FG as time expired right into the breadbasket of
Touchdown Jesus. Again, not everyone disagreed with E. Gordon Gee's humor.
No one can laugh anymore and everyone has a cell phone.
Everyone is offended about something. Big deal
I did not find the comments witty or humorous. Any attack on any religion is
tasteless. I think it is time for the senior man to retire before he
embarrasses himself and his University again.
Dick I thought what he said was funny. We are wrapped to tight in political
correctness. It is time to lighten up. Id bet what other presiedents say about
Mormons would make this sound liked a sneeze.
Gee's comments were funny - but they also were religiously insulting and
very much beneath the behavior expected of a college president. Remember that
racist jokes can seem pretty funny too - until you start to think about what
they imply, and especially about what they say about the person telling the
"joke." Saying that you were sorry "if" someone was offended
implies that the problem was over-sensitivity on the part of the person reacting
to the joke. That misses the point. The reality in this case is that Gee,
president of a university in which a third of Ohio State football players never
earn a degree was dissing other schools for their lack of academic gravitas.
And that he decided to insult a faith that sponsors more institutions of higher
education than any other, not to mention a school (Notre Dame) whose graduation
rate shames Ohio State. Gee shouldn't use the "if" word when he
apologizes or resigns. He should recognize that his attempt at humor was
juvenile, insulting, and unworthy of his academic trust.
Dick, why go after the oil rig folks? My dad was one of those people and he was
a great man. Pretty careless if you ask me and a poor attempt at humor.
It's a rare day when I agree with Dick, but this is one of them. Right on
In these days of political correctness, Gee's comments where a little out
of place. Ohio State, or should I say "Thee Ohio State" is arrogant to
begin with. This continues the tradition. There was no mention of offense
about what he said about the other schools mentioned, that's interesting
isn't it. No one seemed to care about what was said about them. He should
have known better, but it does tell you that there is a real high order in
College Sports. No surprise. I think it also tells me that just maybe the
teams in the Big Ten did not want to take a chance on Notre Dame for whatever
Dick,You wrote..."...Maybe he’s just joined
the rest of the crowd in this country who believe Christian, Mormon and Catholic
bashing is fair game...".So it's ok to bash Christian
liberals?You excoriate Gee for doing the same thing you do in your
piece.FYI...Mormons and Catholics are Christians...You're welcome.
Take a couple doses each of Don Rickles and George Patton comments and call the
doctor in the morning.
I thought the comments were funny as well....looks like good ol' Dick has
fallen in with the rest of the world into the deep dark realms of tolerance and
political correctness. I also find this funny coming from the man who a few
years back did an article on the throwers on the BYU track team and rather than
come down and shake a few hands, sat up in the bleachers like a God and had a
messenger come down and get a few of our group for interviews. As a BYU
sportswriter, most of us just would have liked to have met the guy and shook his
hand. At least the photographer was cool. 5 of the 6 throwers went to nationals
that year. I guess that has always left a bad taste in my mouth.
I'm sorry, but I thought his remarks were witty as well as funny. I'm
sorry someone took offense.