Re: m.g. scottSo as long as both sides are equally vitriolic towards
each other, everything is ok?I would much rather see people not use
the excuse "you did it first, so now I'm just following you." It
is absolutely possible, and rather effortless, to disagree without being
disagreeable. Sadly, too many willfully choose to do otherwise.
Happy Valley, why is it that you who claim to be so inclusive assume that when
people disagree with Obama and Democrats on a huge number of issues, we are
hating them as people. We look at Obama just the same as all of you Obama
supporters and Democrats looked at Bush. You stongly disagreed with Bush
policies. Thats all we do with Obama policies. If Obama were a Republican, and
were legislating like one, he would be a hero to the Repbulicans. It's not
about race, it's about policy. I wish Herman Cain were President because
he had much better ideas, to my mind, than Obama. Now, if you want to justify
yourself by noting some hateful stuff that some have said about Obama, I can
assure you there was just as much was said about Bush. So don't go there.
One thing's for sure, the debt the country racked up on their watch
won't die with them. Best case scenario their grandchildren will be paying
When you have to begin your point by quoting a movie, you know the article
(unless it's a review of the movie) is going to be poor. I agree with
Howard; heroism didn't begin with the Greatest Generation, and it certainly
hasn't ended with them.
There are plenty of heroes that going the military seeking to defend the nation
after 9/11. Where do you even get the idea that heroism might die?
To assume all soldiers are the same is just plain foolish and uninformed anyway.
In world war II everyone had skin in the game. The rich, the poor. actors went
to war. Now we use the poor in war; to make the rich richer. The last war in
this country was world war II. Since then our army has been used as politcal
pawns.In World War II we allowed our army to be an army, now we expect
them to be the world police.We put our young men in a city, with people
who want to kill them, and put bombs everywhere. We tell the young men, they
cannot shoot anyone, and if they do, we will put them in prison.
Stupid headline!Heroism didn't start or end with The Greatest
Generation. I don't know, teachers shielding students from killer storms
and just plain killers sounds like heroes today. Firefighters and police
officers going up burning buildings sounds heroic to me. A soldier who went
back and recovered several injured warriors in a firefight (and winning the
Congressional Medal of Honor) sounds heroic to me. How about students at Provo
HS raising collecting over 40,000 cans of food, that sounds heroic to me. And
the list could go on and on...Heroism is everywhere and will continue with this
generation and beyond!
Hate must be pretty high in your "Value" system because you can't
make a comment without a derogatory remark about the President. Truly a sad
place to be.When you spend so much time hating someone who
doesn't even know you exist, he wins. He's not sitting around
worrying about why you hate him.
Look at the great people of that era. Most of them suffered through a great
depression, knowing hunger first hand. Many of them served in the military or
in jobs that supported the military. Few had the comforts that we have grown to
expect.Something happens when people have to choose to work or to go
hungry. They reach deep inside themselves and they find a way to solve their
own problems. And, something happens when people are nannied all of their
lives. They moan and groan when the steak isn't as tender as they would
like it to be.Lincoln worked his way from being a bare-footed
peasant to being the President. He earned his way through life. His humanity
is known world-wide. Our current president is a member of the "gimme"
generation. His grandparents sacrificed to give him every advantage. It's
doubtful that he will be remembered for anything more than being part of the
most scandelous administration in American history.Values count, but
values are earned by hard work and by sacrifice. No "rich man" can
transfer his values into the "gimme" generation.
Yes they were hero's, but look around there are hero's all around us.
Their names are written on the Wall in D.C., they come home every day from
overseas. They work in firehouses, police stations and hospitals across this
land. They donate, help others with service and rides. So before you disparage
the rest of us look around we see hero's everyday, not just in combat.
American people all were heroes of WWII. It was the combined effort of many,
not just the military, that preserved our freedom and way of life. The important thing now is that we recognize and work to mitigate that cause
that put us in such danger. In every case, war, conflict, revolt,
and disappointment of people the root cause is economic greed and oppression.
Hitler and his philosophy were the products of the oppression of the
German people by the winners of WWI. Japan was seeking to gain control of the
far east resources.The campaign to aggrandize and glorify the acts
of war are simply propaganda to buy cheap labor for the next round of
I agree with Bob, bigotry and exclusion are dying with that generation, this is
a great thing.There is no use for those 2 "values" anymore,
if there ever was.
People tend to love what they serve. Enormous service and sacrifice were given
during WW II, and great love of country resulted along with a largely patriotic
& united country. Those who disparage the Greatest Generation of the
40's generally have neither served nor sacrificed for the USA. No wonder
they do not subscribe to the greatness of America past and instead join those
who demand perfection from a country in which the did not live (40's &
50's) and do not serve today while aligning with those who wat to
"fundamentally transform" the country.
Self proclaimed "Greatest Generation" IMVHO. That generation was also
responsible for a great deal of the bigotry and exclusionism that is still
trying to be rectified today.
We'll certainly have heroic figures in our future but it's not fair to
the future to compare it to the past. The past and future landscapes are VERY
different and can't compare much.
I give you one million internet pointz for your heavy use of LotR.
Congratulations, you win the internet.
They were the greatest generation. But things change, and if we'd get our
heads out of the sand about sex, and get religion out of it, we'd all be
better off. Even more so if we'd put some thought into how to create an
economy that doesn't rely on more consumers all the time.
Just a couple of notes on this:"We face a plague-like health
crisis. More than 100 million people in the US live with sexually transmitted
disease, with half of new cases coming among our youth, at an annual treatment
cost of $16 billion."How many of the brave heroes coming home
from WWII came home with STDs? As I understand, the answer is: a lot of them.
Are STDs a problem? Absolutely. Are they a worse problem now then they were in
the 40s? No.Referring to his grandfather: "With the GI bill, he
studied refrigeration and through hard work built an appliance business next to
a modest home he built for his family of three boys and a daughter."A government program that helped his grandfather become self sufficient,
and that carried through several generations. Yet, the author bemoans the cost
of programs like this. You know, what's good for the grandfather is good
for the grandchild too. Maybe we need to keep education affordable.Before you decry government benefits, consider how much the greatest
generation gained from them.