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Published: Thursday, May 30 2013 3:00 p.m. MDT

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AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

BTW, it should be noted that during the 15 years constituting this current BCS Era, BOTH schools have played in 11 bowl games.

However, while BCS Busting/Winning/Finishing Top-2/-4/Going undefeated TWICE/National-Stage Glory/Becoming a BCS School/OWNING byu beating them on the football-field, ANNUALLY, Mighty Big Brother UTAH has gone 10-1, while byu has struggled, BIG-TIME, just simply to merely remain above .500 at 6-5. LOL

Please. Missing our first bowl game since 2002 by merely 1 game while beating byu, yet again, head-to-head and also typically playing against a tougher SOS,, hardly qualifies it as a trend or something. LOL

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

"Rankings do NOT matter when you have a 3 game schedule and lose to all three teams"

LOL at the biased, jealous spin of the kids on the hill!

Either rankings matter or they don't. The exact same groups of pollsters who ranked Utah 2004 #4/#5 and Utah 2008 #2/#4, ranked BYU 2006 #16/#15, 2007 #14/#15, 2008 #25/#21, 2009 #12/#12, and 2011 #26/#25.

Who gave U the authority to decide that rankings only matter when they favor the Utes?

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that last one. My bottom line meant to say that Utah fans will always believe Utah is better because Utah is Utah and BYU is BYU. They'll change the standards of comparison to whatever fits their situation.

If BYU loses to Utah in the head-to-head game, but ends the season ranked higher, Utah fans will say head-to-head is more important. If BYU wins the game, but ended ranked lower than Utah, Utah fans will point to the final rankings as the best indicator. If Utah loses the game and is ranked lower, Utah fans will point to strength of schedule (even if BYU's is stronger) and their PAC conference affiliation.

Sorry BYU fans, but there's no convincing Utah fans that BYU could possibly be better than Utah in any given year. Even if BYU were to win another championship next year, remember that Utah is in the PAC-12, and that is worth at least 10 championships.

sammyg
Springville, UT

gored

U 'own' nothing but the distinction of being invited as new-comers to the PAC10 and being lacking in production. From a disappointing and embarrassing loss to Colorado in 2011 to losing to a WAC team (Go Aggies!) who out ranked you, the utes have done little to substantiate their membership.

In addition to the above grand losses U also have the embarrassment of being out-ranked by your rival after defeating them. Overall utes have done nothing lately locally in their conference or on the national stage and... might I add... in several sports.

But the ultimate disappointment... going bowl-less.

Nothing epitomizes failure more than coming up short and not extending your football season.

Utes couldn't win enough games in their conference to make it to seventh place to play in their New Mexico Bowl let alone sixth place for the PAC's other bowl tie-in of the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl.

Ouch, that was embarrassing then as it is today.

Why?

Because it's about to happen again.

'Own' that, will ya?

sammyg
Springville, UT

azute0

Want some trends?

Losing to Colorado, going bowl-less, conference leader board...4-5 then 3-6, 7-11 cumulative, losing to a WAC team, having your rival outrank you.

Since all things McWacish, Wacish, etc do not count anymore, then the above have to suffice.

Predictions for this coming season... much the same.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

AZUTE1

"BYU fan continues to "tout" overall record the past couple of years, yet blatantly refuses to ever acknowledge SOS. UTAH has been significantly better than byu during this current BCS Era by virtue of winning the vast majority of their head-to-head games, PERIOD, END-OF-STORY."

Only in your crimson dreams.

Utah's two game advantage in head-to-head during the Bronco/Kyle era is trumped by Bronco's two game advantage in overall record and rankings.

Despite the desperate attempts of our little brothers on the hill to ignore reality, SOS IS considered when ranking teams and Utah's dismal performance against conference bottom-dwelling teams like Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado is also used in the final rankings. Utah's LOSSES to bad teams is the primary reason Bronco has finished ahead of Kyle in the final rankings 5 of 8 seasons.

Bronco is 74-29 overall and has been ranked ahead of Kyle in the rankings in 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, and 2012.

Kyle is 70-32 overall and has only finished ahead of Bronco in the rankings in 2005, 2008 and 2010.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@sammyG..."I'm betting the Utes go bowl-less a second year in a row after BYU hands you a loss in Provo that you will have to live with for 3 seasons."

Why would we have to live with it for 3 seasons Sammy if they won big if there? Head to head don't matter remember? You must have forgot you have made that excuse a 1,000 times before putting this comment on there.....LOL!! Head to head only matters for cougie fans if they win the game...LOL!!

Hey Sammy/cougie fans in the last 10 years who's won more bowl games, more BCS bowl games, had more undefeated seasons and won more head to head vs. eacth other? Can one of you cougie fans please list the answers to those questions for us?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@SportsFan

Either rankings matter or they don't. The exact same groups of pollsters who ranked Utah 2004 #4/#5 and Utah 2008 #2/#4, ranked BYU 2006 #16/#15, 2007 #14/#15, 2008 #25/#21, 2009 #12/#12, and 2011 #26/#25.

Who gave U the authority to decide that rankings only matter when they favor the Utes?

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Obama!

Those BYU rankings are as impressive as Utah 2009 #18/#18 and 2011 #26/#23 rankings.

Like the 2011 BYU team the 2010 Ute team also only played three games and lost all three (TCU, ND, and Boise). The differnece we only got spanked by two top 10 teams (TCU and Boise).

Regardless, the 2010 Utah ranking does not matter as well.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

sammyg
Springville, UT
azute0

Want some trends?

Losing to Colorado, going bowl-less, conference leader board...4-5 then 3-6, 7-11 cumulative, losing to a WAC team, having your rival outrank you.

Since all things McWacish, Wacish, etc do not count anymore, then the above have to suffice.

Predictions for this coming season... much the same.

_______

I agree. BYU will build upon its record of losing to ranked teams, be owned by Utah, continue to have sub-par ESPN ratings, ride the coat tails of ND, and lead the new band of indie brothers-New Mex St. and Idaho.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Here's a clarification concerning the polls.

The polls and rankings are an attempt to determine the best teams in the country. When the pollsters come out with their rankings, they ALREADY CONSIDER strength of schedule. Meaning, when a team is ranked #4, it is because with all things considered (strength of schedule included), they believe that team is the 4th best team in the country at the time. Final rankings show who they believe the best teams of the year are.

Do you doubt that SOS isn't considered? Here's your proof: Have you ever seen a team with a worse record ranked higher than a team with a better record, even an undefeated team? That is because the pollsters are taking SOS into account.

Conclusion: in 2010 when BYU finished ranked higher than Utah, BYU is considered the better team in 2010.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

WACpaddled

"BYU will build upon its record of losing to ranked teams..."

And Utah will build upon its record of losing to UNRANKED teams.

That's why BYU is a perennial Top 25 team and Utah is a perennial unranked team.

In the AP poll, the poll always cited by Utah fans when referring to their 2004 and 2008 bcs teams:

BYU: Ranked in AP Poll 11 Times (Preseason), 17 Times (Final), 236 Weeks (Total)
Utah: Ranked in AP Poll 2 Times (Preseason), 5 Times (Final), 77 Weeks (Total)

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Riverton Cougar

"The polls and rankings are an attempt to determine the best teams in the country. When the pollsters come out with their rankings, they ALREADY CONSIDER strength of schedule. Conclusion: in 2010 when BYU finished ranked higher than Utah, BYU is considered the better team in 2010."

You're using way too much common sense. The kids on the hill will never buy it, especially whenever Utah finishes behind BYU in the final polls.

wwookie
Payson, UT

@y grad dad,
Maybe just keep the silliness to yourself.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Riverton Cougar

BYU didn't finish ranked ahead of Utah in 2010 and were considered the better team by nobody. Blowout losses the UNR, USU, FSU, AFA, and TCU. You guys Spanked UTEP though.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

I meant 2011, the year that they ended the season ranked. The years are starting to blend together. So, I'll clarify:

In 2011 when BYU finished ranked higher than Utah, BYU is considered the better team in 2011.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Since a bowl game is the smack de jour of the byU "fans", let's compare bowl games and other realities of the BCS era:

Bowl Games
Utah: 11
byU: 11
Advantage: tie

Bowl wins
Utah: 10
byU: 6
Advantage: Utah

Biggest bowl wins against ranked (end ranking) opponent:
Utah: Alabama #6
byU: Oregon St #16
Advantage: Utah

Bowl Winning percentage:
Utah: 90.91%
byU: 54.55%
Advantage: Utah

BCS Bowl games
Utah: 2
byU 0
Advantage: Utah

BCS Bowl wins
Utah: 2
byU 0
Advantage: Utah

BCS rankings:
Top 25 final rankings -
Utah: 5
byU: 4
Highest BCS final rank
Utah: 6 (twice)
byU: 14
Average final BCS ranking
Utah: 15.2
byU 16.75
Advantage: Utah Utah Utah

AP and Coaches polls during BCS period:
Years finished in top 25 in AP and/or coached poll-
Utah: 5
byU: 6
Advantage: byU
Highest ending ranking in poll-
Utah: 2
byU: 12
Advantage: Utah
Average poll finish:
Utah: 12.89
byU: 18.45
Advantage: Utah

Bowl revenues -
Let's just leave it as advantage Utah to save further embarrassment to byU.

No matter how you slice it - Utah is by FAR the more successful team in the BCS era.

sammyg
Springville, UT

2bcswins that mean nothing

What have the Utes done lately in their new conference?

As previously mentioned... they have provided ample wins for their brothers in the original PAC10 to further qualify them for bowl games and NCAA tournament bids.

Awesome!

The clock was reset two years ago partner. As BYU improves its schedule I hear nothing but excuses about how tough things are in Uteville with SOS and the weekly grind. Poor babies.

What's it feel like being on a ship tilted 45 degrees and slipping into the abyss?

"And the band played on..."

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@Uteanymous:

You will ALWAYS have to go back to the 1980s to have the advantage over Utah in football.

Let's talk about the BCS era:

BCS top 25 finishes, Utah 5, byU 4. Utah's highest BCS finish, #6 (twice), byU #16. And you might want to look up the definition of "perennial". In the BCS era, byU finished the season ranked in either the AP or coaches poll 6 times, Utah 5. Hardly "perennial" one way or the other. In that span, Utah FINISHED the season twice in the top 5 in BOTH polls, byU's highest finish during that span in either poll was 12.

Add to that Utah's dominance over byU head-to-head, the embarrassing disparity of players each program is putting into the NFL and, more recently, Utah out-recruiting byU both in state and out!! Oh, and thanks for Jake Murphy, Davion Orphey and Star Lotuleilei!! They obviously saw the future of the two programs!!

I'll give you the 80's, I'll take THIS century!!

Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

VegasUte

Nice frantic and emotional try, but how many of Utah's bowl winning teams finished in the AP Top 25?

A mediocre team beating another mediocre team in a bowl doesn't mean much if you aren't even good enough to be ranked.

idaho cougar fan
Twin Falls, ID

As I said 2 years ago when Utah was accepted to the Pac 10.2, they would be cellar dwellers most every year, maybe win the south division once every 6-8 years and then maybe win the Pac championship every other time (12-16 years). You heard it here first, after 2 more losing seasons and no bowl games for Utah, Hill will fire Kyle W. after the 2014-2015 season. RES will be half full and Utah will be back to where they were in the 80's and 90's. Forgotten nobody's! Beat your chest Ute fans about being in the Pac 12, but the writing is on the wall. Beating BYU will be the only thing you will have to brag about!

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