I don't get it. Two seasons into the PAC-12 and Utes fans are still
obsessed with BYU. I thought Ute fans were planning to forget all about BYU and
find a new rival.
@EdGradyYou said - "Another 5-7 season and the Whittingham clan
will have great disdain for their former employer - the University of
Utah."Actually you see, Ute fans are back to the time when the
only game that matters is the one against BYU. They beat the Cougars and they
could finish the rest of the season 0-11 and they'd be happy.But wait, BYU and Utah aren't playing each other in 2014 and 2015. What
will Ute fans do to measure their success?
Naval Vet:"Did you not watch that game, or were you just being frantic
and emotional?"Why would I watch that game? Who cares? I saw
what everyone else in the MWC and the nation saw...a 27-0 scoreboard of a 10
loss UNLV team beating a 9-4 Utah team they had no business beating, let alone
by 4 TDs. I assure you that no one cares about all your excuses, that was an
epic choke job...then U decided to follow it up with a 2011 version against one
of the worst teams in college football. No one cares about excuses, and the only
numbers that matter are the zeroes on the clock and the score displayed beneath
Only in utah county does losing to UNLV twice and losing to them at home equate
to being somehow even remotely being better than losing to them on the road
merely once, only in utah county. LOL"BYU finished 10-3 that
year with a 1 pt loss to a Texas team that was clearly better than Utah"Hysterical. UT finished with the identical record as UTAH and struggled
to beat a patsy-byu at home just one week before UTAH went on the road and
utterly destroyed them on their homefield, 54-10. Just imagine what CU
would've done to byu then. LOLFurthermore, byu would've
been lucky to register one, single win against the SOS CU played against in
I would like to point out to my brother Ute fans that pre-season and early polls
are not based on games played that year but on reputation built on more than one
season! Top 25 teams have history so they get rankings, if it were based just on
one or two seasons then Utah would have won titles for 2004 and 2008! Go back
and look at what BYU did in 1983 and before, that is how they got the respect
and votes that led to a unanimous title in 1984!!!Go Cougs!!!Go Utes!!!
Cougsndawgs:"Utah on the other hand lost in an epic shutout 27-
ZERO to a 10 loss UNLV."BJ sat out the first half of that game,
and was only brought back into the game because it was clear that his backup
(Grady) wasn't going to get it done. BJ had separated his shoulder 3-wks
earlier, and had trouble throwing the ball.As for the shut out, yes,
we WERE "shut out" in that game, but it wasn't because we
couldn't score. We could have...once BJ was inserted back into the game.
We turned the ball over on downs twice, all within FG range, and after BJ was
knocked back out of the game late in the 4th, Grady IMMEDIATELY threw an INT --
in the endzone -- with 10-sec. remaining in the game. The reason why we
didn't score, was because the ONLY way to impact the outcome of the game,
would be via TDs. Whether we lose by 1 or lose by 27, it still reads the same
in the conference standings.Did you not watch that game, or were you
just being frantic and emotional?
"What excuses/spin will you come up with when BYU goes 8-4, or 9-3 against
the 2013 schedule? I'm sure you'll think of something."I can't predict the future, but I wouldn't bet the farm on BYU
winning more than 7 games.
AZUTE: "Do you mean the same, exact UNLV which byu lost TWICE to,
including AT HOME? LOL"And spin and spin we go...nothing new for you.
BYU lost both times to UNLV during the Crowton era when BYU finished less than
.500 themselves and UNLV didn't have a 10 loss team either time. Utah on
the other hand lost in an epic shutout 27- ZERO to a 10 loss UNLV (the only
conference victory the Rebs had that yr lol) while Utah was 9-4...epic fail."RE: CU--We beat byu 54-10 in provo in 2011....Think about
it."Yeah, think about it...as long as you're talking about
flukes, BYU finished 10-3 that year with a 1 pt loss to a Texas team that was
clearly better than Utah, and by 10 points to MWC champion TCU in a hard fought
game on the road. Clearly Utah wasn't as good and BYU wasn't as bad as
that score indicated, because Utah wasn't even close to being as good as
TCU or Texas. Colorado was still 1-11 and one if the worst teams in college
football..."think about it".
One thing that I found hilarious - here is a story about a Utah coach and the
comments are filled with byU trollers and Utah haters. byU trollers convince
themselves that they are justified in negative comments because Utah fans are
"classless" and are always writing negative things on byU stories. Well
I just read a good story about Brandon Doman and looked at all the comments.
Not a single comment from Utah trollers, not even the regulars. But there were
a lot of comments from byU "fans" bashing Doman while he's down.tsk tsk!!Go Utes!!
@ Go Red - you also forgot to mention that the Heisman committee actually
changed how and when they gave out the award to avoid another Detmer
embarrassment. They changed the voting and the timing of the award so that
every candidate actually finishes their respective season before voting is
completed. Never again will they be embarrassed by giving out the award then
having the recipient get BLOWN OUT by a weak, WAC team the same day. Detmer was
great, and would have deserved the Heisman before the Hawaii debacle, but he
NEVER would have got the trophy after the Hawaii loss, and rightly so.As far as 1984 mythical NC goes, byU also never would have had a sniff at the
title game under the BCS system. They may have qualified for a BCS bowl game
that year, but we all know they would have fallen horribly (see Hawaii) based on
their performance against a poor 6-6 Michigan - who they BARELY beat.I just love how all the byU "fans" are all over these Utah stories,
yet on Cougar stories ..... crickets!!Go Utes!! Can't wait for
The cougars had a nice run through the WAC of the 80's. I have a lot of
respect for Lavell. But, your "legacy" AND a buck fifty will get you a
Big Gulp at 7-11. It hasn't gotten you into a single BCS bowl game, or a
BCS conference. It hasn't translated into any serious accomplishments in
the 21st century. When will your "legacy" pay some dividends on the
@AZUTE1G.A.M.E. S.E.T. M.A.T.C.H.AZUTE1 destroys the
little brothers down south.Good stuff...
During this current BCS Era, BOTH UTAH/byu have reached 11 bowl games. 2X BCS
Bowling/WINNING UTAH is a resounding 10-1, while indy-WACer byu has struggled to
keep their collective-head above .500 at 6-5.Furthermore, UTAH has
now won 3 straight against byu, 4 of 5, 8 of 11 and owns a COMMANDING lead in
the overall record, 56-34-4.Good times, brethren, good times,
"I'll tell you something else that's 100% foreign to BYU
fans...losing to 10 loss weaklings like Colorado and UNLV, sub .500 seasons and
bowless post seasons."Do you mean the same, exact UNLV which byu
lost TWICE to, including AT HOME? LOLRE: CU--We beat byu 54-10 in
provo in 2011....Think about it."And please...you didn't
take USC to the wire last year, that game wasn't even as close as the score
indicated and anyone who watched it would agree...the score was 38-21 late
before Utah scored a TD to close the gap and that was all after sleep walking
the 1st qtr and spotting U 14 points."Actually, we FORCED 2 TOs
and EARNED those 14-PTS. Furthermore, the score was 24-21 in the 4th-QTR
before, USC got a fluke 83-YD bomb TD-Pass and a fluke PICK-6."What excuses/spin will you come up with when BYU goes 8-4, or 9-3 against
the 2013 schedule? I'm sure you'll think of something."HYSTERICAL--byu will be the luckiest team on Earth, should they even
break-even and finish the regular season at 6-6. Nice try.
So how did BYU end up #1? Well, for one thing, BYU was greatly aided by the
weekly upset chaos of 1984. Look at the teams in the top 20 and you see only one
team with just 1 loss, and one other with a loss and tie. Everyone else had at
least 2 losses. The 1-loss team, Washington, lost the Rose Bowl bid because
Southern Cal beat them, so they were not viewed as a conference champion (though
they were, sharing the title with USC). And the 9-1-1 team, Florida, was hit
with probation in September for massive cheating, and no one wanted to reward a
"cheater." So the timing was right.Of course, in 2007 a
2-loss LSU team was rated higher than an unbeaten Hawaii team that looked a lot
like BYU '84, so in the end, what put BYU over the top in 1984 was a
zeitgeist thing. Or maybe a mass psychosis thing. In any case, it had never
happened before, and it has not happened since, even though there have been
quite a few better "Little Big Teams" than BYU '84 before and
Brigham YoungTexas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been
tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none
of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at:
they finished #1.Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those
other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The
only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma
came very close in 1956).BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3,
placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.And yet
their performance was as weak as their schedule.They won five games
by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a
24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl
opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."How
bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid
12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference
in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.
UTAH not only played ranked opponents in '08, they beat 4 which finished
the season ranked, including 2 in The Top-10, 1 of which spent 1 1/2 months at
#1. There's a huge difference between playing teams finishing ranked and
beating them than to play against them and losing to them. There's also a
huge difference between beating them at home and beating them away from home.
UtesBy5:Very reasonable assessment. I do think BYU was fortunate in 1984,
and everything lined up nicely for them to finish number one. Against tougher
competition it's hard to say what the results would have been. No one
expected Utah to beat Alabama in 2008 despite nearly losing in the regular
season to 3-9 Michigan, 4-8 New Mexico, and narrow victories over AFA and TCU
that they easily could have lost. I think Lavell Edwards was right when he said
going undefeated requires some measure of luck at times. As far as Heisman
winners, we all know that many have gone late in the draft and not had
successful NFL careers, but the Heisman isn't based on how good a pro
prospect they are. I also agree that BYU and Detmer built a legacy on WAC
competition, but when ute fans whine about that it just sounds like jealousy
considering they had the same opportunity against the same WAC competition and
didn't make it happen.
Another 5-7 season and the Whittingham clan will have great disdain for their
former employer - the University of Utah.
Cougsndawgs:Yes, Detmer did have an outstanding career but would it
have been as great if he had played in a tougher conference? Probably not. Yes
he did have a nice game against Miami in 1990 but Texas A&M was another
story. By the way, Detmer threw 28 picks during his Heisman season and more
picks than TDs in his pro career.Yes, BYU did have an outstanding
season in 1984 but would they have been undefeated if they had played in a
tougher conference? Probably not.How many Heisman Trophy winners
are drafted 230th overall in the 9th round? Detmer was in the right place at the
right time for a Heisman Trophy.How many National Championship teams
play a bowl game in a pre-Christmas mid-tier bowl game against a non-ranked 6-5
team that finished tied for 6th in their conference of 10 teams? BYU was
fortunate in 1984.Playing against WAC competition did have it's
advantages.BYU will play their most difficult schedule in school
history this year. Cougar fans will realize just how difficult it is to play BCS
caliber teams week after week. Best of luck.
Howie:It never sinks in does it? BYU played 5 top 25 teams last year, Utah
only 2. BYU avg opponent BCS ranking (most accurate ranking system) was 55.16,
Utah was 47.63. Yeah, so much tougher schedule. Give the WAC crap a rest, in
2011 maybe that would fly, but according to the numbers it's just BS for
2012. I also realize Miami was 22 yrs ago, thanks. I was pointing out how stupid
the arguments were about Ty Detmers heisman being won because of weak opponents,
and pointing out that Miami was no "cupcake" and he sliced them up like
a surgeon to the tune of 406 yards...try and follow please.
@sammygHappy with BYU's recruiting? Of course you
are... when your schedule is populated with WAC cupcakes mid-major 2 star
recruits work just fine.But don't expect a steady diet of BCS
teams to lay down for those mid-major recruits like your typical WAC patsies.
@Cougsndawgs Miami was 22 years ago... yet probably the last time
BYU had a meaningful victory.
2 corrections...Bluto was right Miami finished #3, and Detmer threw for 400+
yards against them (406).
In regards to the article, I didn't take any of Fred or Kyle's
comments as being derogatory to BYU. They have had success and been given
opportunities at the university of Utah, and it's all their kids have ever
known. Remember, Kyle took a while to decide between BYU and Utah in 2005 so
it's not like there's no feelings of nostalgia or gratitude for BYU.
Fred jr even said he remembered his times at BYU with "fondness".
C'mon Y fans lets not be so sensitive because if what the Whittingham kids
say and do.
@BlutoYou're selling 1990 Miami short. They finished the season
ranked #2 and would have definitely been national champions if not for BYU
beating them. Btw Detmer had 300 plus yards passing in that game...you know
putting up big numbers against "cupcakes"...the only argument ute fans
jealous of big brother can ever make, unfortunately for Howie et al that garbage
argument doesn't work against the hurricanes that year.@AZUTEI'll tell you something else that's 100% foreign to BYU
fans...losing to 10 loss weaklings like Colorado and UNLV, sub .500 seasons and
bowless post seasons. But keep quoting recruiting rankings which are still
inferior to half the PAC12 to give yourself comfort. And please...you
didn't take USC to the wire last year, that game wasn't even as close
as the score indicated and anyone who watched it would agree...the score was
38-21 late before Utah scored a TD to close the gap and that was all after sleep
walking the 1st qtr and spotting U 14 points. What excuses/spin will you come up
with when BYU goes 8-4, or 9-3 against the 2013 schedule? I'm sure
you'll think of something.
azute"We've also taken USC, W/Matt Barkley, down to the
wire during both of our years."So? You still lost.According to Ute fans when BYU comes close to winning against BSU, ND, Utes...
it means nothing.
HowieI appreciate your interest in BYU sports but the recruiting for
BYU is not comparable to 'big boy' recruiting. As you well know a
religious school like BYU does not have as large of a pool to pull from. It is
what it is.I'm happy how BYU does in its recruiting efforts.
But I can't believe that your mighty team can be happy with
'inferior' (Ute perspective) 2-3 star recruits as compared to USC,
Oregon, Stanford 4-5 'superior' (Ute perspective) star recruits.This has been discussed multiple times.You've mistaken
me for someone that has a lot of angst about BYU recruiting. Whatever BYU does
recruiting wise doesn't concern me nearly as much as it does you.I on the other hand have always tried to figure out how the Utes will
'work' in the PAC10.2 since the hype of the announcement.My expectations for the Utes have not disappointed... as predicted.B2BB
And when they can't win a discussion they always go back to " Well, you
guys didn't go to a bowl last year, and anyway, we have a bigger
@sammyg--We've also taken USC, W/Matt Barkley, down to the wire
during both of our years.
The byu fanbase sure likes to point to our 2 year record in conference play as
we transition into The PAC-12, a transition which requires multiple
recruiting-classes as a BCS school, in order to build the depth necessary to
successfully play through a legitimate week-in, week-out grind of a schedule,
something which is 100% foreign to byu. Instead, byu is 100% accustomed to
feasting upon the likes of Idaho, Idaho St., Hawaii, NMSU, etc., in order to pad
their record, become bowl eligible and be able to proclaim their
"greatness" to the world. Even their 2013 schedule is ripe w/weeks-off.
See our 2013 mid-season 8-game stretch for comparison.byu has played
against 5 PAC-12 teams now and has a 2-3 record, beating 2 teams which finished
at the bottom of the conference and getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped AT
HOME by the only 2 teams which finished the season w/a winning-record.
sammyg--"The so called recruiting improvements at the U have
done nothing, nor will they against the likes of USC, Oregon, Stanford, AZ,
etc."We've yet to face UO/Stanford and we're 1-1
against "Mighty" ua. Furthermore, during our 2 years in The PAC-12,
we're 7-11 and ua is 6-12.
@sammygThe last three years have been some of the lowest rated
recruiting classes in Bronco's tenure... and there's no improvement in
sight. So it's not just me that considers BYU's
independence irrelevant in the modern era of college football... it's
highly rated recruits.BYU schedules in 2011 and 2012 were with
padded with WAC patsies. Until 2013 BYU has never faced a BCS quality schedule
on a week in/week out basis.I am genuinely puzzled as to how the
Cougar Nation thinks that Bronco's mid-major recruiting classes are going
to compete successfully with the big boys each week.
HowieRecruiting smack against a team that's supposedly
irrelevant. Well we know BYU is still relevant, Utes trying to move on and
compete in their conference is proving troublesome.The so called
recruiting improvements at the U have done nothing, nor will they against the
likes of USC, Oregon, Stanford, AZ, etc. The McWaCish days are gone
howie and its obvious where the Utes place is in the PAC10.2This
year will be Back to Back Bowl-less... B2BB
@sammygBYU doing more with less? Cute comment?But lets
consider some facts.Pre-indy, Bronco's recruiting classes
averaged a ranking of 60th... post-indy Bronco's classes have ranked on
average 64th.Mid-majorish recruiting that has actually declined
since the indy announcement worked fine in 2011 and 2012 when the schedule was
loaded with cupcakes.Now that the BYU schedule is looking like BCS
quality for 2013, mid-major recruiting won't work quite as well.But, hey if you think mid-major recruits will dominate a BCS schedule... then
@BlutoClearly that 1984 NC trophy means a lot to Cougar Nation.But, let's consider some context.No team in the BCS era
would win a NC with the schedule BYU faced in 1984.The BCS may not
be perfect but it ensures that no team, even an undefeated team, can win the NC
without a solid record against quality competition.The fact that BYU
won the 1984 NC trophy by beating a mediocre team in a 2nd tier bowl game began
the evolution of events that has resulted in the BCS, which has excluded BYU.Enjoy that trophy, but remember that the modern era a college football
has evolved with the purpose of excluding teams like the 1984 Cougars that are
unproven against quality competition.So, I guess you could say that
BYU does have a legacy... and that legacy is the BCS.Oh... and as
for those 23 national award winners, enjoy those too, but remember that those
were awarded by vote... and those votes were inspired by gaudy statistics run up
against weak competition.
@Ute fansFact....BYU has Major Achievements in College football.Not one, not two, but scores of them.Utah does not.How tedious and
sad one must be to constantly feel a need to put oneself through endless
contortions, in order to minimize your Big Brothers achievements.Inferiority complex on display.btw Ty Detmer and BYU beat
the #1 ranked Miami Hurricanes on National TV in his Junior year.Miami
finished ranked #3 that year. That's how it's done.Let us know
when Utah beats a #1 ranked team, OK?Let alone has 23 National Award
@Go red & AZ UteCouldn't agree more well said!Bluto dosen't understand that Utah paved the way to all the recent
changes and changing of the college football landscape. Utah was the first
non-bcs school to win a bcs bowl. Then they followed that up with an even more
impressive run 4 years later. Bluto I'm sorry buddy I realize
it's tough to see your rival absolutley dominate the overall series and win
most of the head to head match ups. I'm sure it's tough to search for
anything you can to try and prove a teams better when they rarely beat them on
the field where it actually matters....lolAlso Bluto just heads up
since you want to reference 1984 as an accomplishment with no recognition of the
weak schedule the Y played. I will give the Y credit for their un-beaten season
it was a good year for them. I also will say the best a team can do is win all
the games on their schedule. The Y has accomplished that feat 1 time in their
entire history. The utes on the other hand have accomplished that feat nearly 10
AZUTE1Very well said. There are actually two things of note during
Detmer's Heisman campaign of 1990. After it was announced that he won the
Heisman Award (against the very mediocre WAC competition), his Cougars proceeded
to get thumped by Hawaii 59-28. But that was mild compared to the following
65-14 debacle in the Holiday Bowl against Texas A & M.So, I
guess bluto and other zealous BYU fans will have to forgive us if we are not
impressed with bluto's claim that his team has now reached an “Elite
Plateau” as opposed to Utah's more impressive, more current
@GoRed--You forgot to mention Detmer's/byu's performance
immediately following his Heisman Trophy presentation against
Hawaii....EPIC....But they'll never acknowledge the weak competition they
faced back then/continue to face today, although 2013 is a slight upgrade in
SOS, yet still ripe w/weeks-off.....TYPICAL.BTW, I mentioned
byu's record against The PAC-12 merely in response to byu fan's Ad
Nauseam reference to ours.
blutoLet's look at your “Elite Plateau” that you
are saying BYU has reached as opposed to Utah. In 1984 BYU beat a schedule that
included mostly bad WAC teams. They only beat one ranked team, Pittsburgh. And
that team ended up going just 3-7-1. BYU played a very average 6-6 Michigan
team in a minor bowl. But since no other team went undefeated, BYU backed
itself into a “national championship” by default. The rules then
immediately changed.Fast forward to 2008. Utah beat four nationally
ranked teams, including Alabama, a team that had been ranked #1 for 1 ½
months. The big conferences, however, would not allow a non-BCS conference team
to be awarded the national championship. Utah even defeated Alabama by a
greater margin than did Florida, the “national champions”. And
Florida had one loss.Utah's claim on a national championship in
2008 is far greater than BYU's was in 1984.Concerning the
Heisman, it is merely a popularity contest. Detmer put together impressive
stats beating up on bad teams. Neither of these points supports
your claim that BYU is "elite" or that Utah is not.
LOVE what part the W family plays within our program. They certainly know how
to keep the pharmacy business down there in utah county operating at
full-throttle, ANNUALLY.BTW, byu is currently 2-3 against The
PAC-12, BUT they've been utterly destroyed AT HOME by the only 2 teams
which finished the season with a winning record....Good times.
Nepotism is alive and well at the Athletic Dept.
@Howard S. and My perspectiveOnly Coat-Tailing Cellar-Dwellers argue
recruiting ratings and draft picks.It's hard to boast of...being a
bottom-feeder, no bowl and losing records.I'll state it
again....Pay attention!The majority of the players in the NFL and College
are 3 stars or less.Steve Young, Super Bowl and NFL MVP, only had
two D-1 offers. (not a blue-chipper)Jerry Rice, (not a blue-chipper)
played at Mississippi Valley State...student-body 2,500.Dennis Pitta-no
starsJacoby Jones...no starsPaul Krueger...2 starsKaepernick-3
starsFlacco-3 starsThe Starting Quarterbacks in the Super Bowl
were from those Hotbeds of College Football, known as Delaware and Nevada.As for touting ones Legacy....Those who have one......DO!Those who don't have one.........DON'T!Like BYU,
even Colorado has a Heisman Trophy Winner and a National Championship. So you see, Utah fans.....Your rival of yesteryear (BYU) and
today's rival (Colorado) both have something U never will.....A
National Championship and a Heisman Trophy winner.Reach that Elite
Plateau, and then U guys can pop off.
It is really sad to see that so much animosity and jealousy ecists between the
fanbases of these two exceptional universities. As a member of the Church I
happen to pull for both schools, but since having had two children attend BYU I
tend to pull for them. Having said that, I have a son-in-law that attended Utah
and played baseball for the Utes. I promise you though, that I don't get
bent out of shape when Utah wins. I sort of understand the strong rivalry as
I'm a Bama fan and we do not hold Auburn in high regard.
little HowieHere's the last part of your factoid that you
conveniently omitted..."... Utah's average recruiting class
has been ranked 36th and BYU's average recruiting class has been ranked
64th."Which proves that BYU can do more with less as BYU
continues to outrank Utah in the polls and as U stay home for the holidays
Childish. It is a fact that byu has the better more quality athletic
programs.....okay aside from women's gymnastics. How many seats does re
BlutoYour list of byu's shining accomplishments from last century
loses more luster with each passing year. How many #1 NFL draft pick has byu
had this century? Ever? How many byu players in the NFL? byu's recruiting
classes get worse while the it's 12-15 year run of success with soft
schedules is a distant memory for old timers and not even in the consciousness
of the young. lol.The future of football in Utah is THE University
of Utah and the Wittinghams have been and continue to be a huge factor in that
team of family guy and yes-man. we need new blood
Hey Bluto...Here's an interesting factoid to consider...Since the announcement of the PAC 12 for Utah and indy for BYU,
Utah's average recruiting class has been ranked 36th and BYU's average
recruiting class has been ranked 64th.It seems that highly ranked
recruits are buying what Freddy Whit is selling and rejecting the faded legacy
and mythical national brand of BYU as a mid-major indy.Oh, and as
for gratitude... how many BCS programs besides Utah have been willing to offer
indy/BYU a four game home/home series? How about a little gratitude
man... because ingratitude ain't cool.
“We try to facilitate that kind of a conversation — because if a kid
is interested in how many different helmets or how many different jerseys we
have, or how many HEISMAN TROPHIES we have, or how many NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS,
we’re going to lose those sales battles to Oregon and USC and teams like
that,” Fred said.Hilarious!Let's see Fred,
your very own alma mater (BYU) already has a Heisman Memorial Trophy and a
Unanimous National Championship... or did you blot that out as well?....Along with Outlands, Davey O'Brian's, Sammy Baugh's, Doak
Walker and Maxwell Trophies....You sure had better find another
sales pitch for your Utes, because, there is only one team in Utah with an
actual Legacy and National Brand and it's BYU not Utah.Slick
advertising won't fool anybody into viewing Utah as anything other than a
Conference bottomfeeder.Where are Utah's 7 Hall of Famers?And 18 Top-25 finishes?And 16 Consensus All-Americans?And Super
Bowl and NFL MVP's?Ouch!As for me and my house,
we'll always appreciate those who proudly wore the Y and never forget from
whence they came.
wazzup, Bluto, stateofutah1...grow up kids.It's not the journey
that matters it's where you end up. The Wittingham's are total class
and have made Utah a great football program. The players that come here learn
that their education is important and it shows in the graduation rates. Utah
recruits are indeed fortunate to be under the tutelage of Kyle and Fred. So
glad you are Utah men in every respect!Go Utes!
As a Cougar fan, I still try to root for Utah when they are in bowl games or not
playing BYU since they still represent my state, but it is getting harder and
harder. To hear that Fred's family has disdain for BYU, is discouraging.
I understand that the family has moved on, and understand where the paychecks
come from, but I don't know why the hatred has to come with it. Why
couldn't it be, "we like BYU except when they play Utah". Just
like my conversation with a Ute fan on the plane last week. I told him, I want
Utah to do well in every game except one. His response, "I hope BYU loses
every game." Like it or not, Max Hall was right.
@ wazzup, Bluto, & stateofutah1Why so touchy? Fred never said he
had a disdain for BYU. The article actually says that he has very fond memories
of his time at BYU, as I am sure Kyle does. He was talking about his kids who
have grown up with Utah as their Grandfather, Uncle, and now Father were/all on
the staff. I would dare say most kids would have the same feeling regardless of
the school. Before slamming Fred for his comments you may want to be sure yours
don't show your own disdain towards Utah, both are great institutions.It's nice to have Fred Whittingham on staff and his presence has
been felt. @Howard S gave a great example of the greater recruiting success the
Utes have had over the past few years.Good luck this summer in preperation
for the new season,Go Utes!!!
Good. We have a disdain for Kyle.
Disdain?Really Fred?You and your kids, disdain BYU?They
gave you nothing Fred?Really, it's all or nothing to you?No room for any warm and fuzzies for your alma mater?You
can't respect your life with BYU?That's all just blotted out
now?I disdain myself for wasting one ounce of emotion while
investing in you and your family during the time that BYU put food on your
family's table.And BYU also provided everyone of you a free
education, from a University ranked #68 by USNWR compared to the U's
ranking of #127..Bush league Fred...Bush league.Count your
blessings Fred....name them one by one.Ingratitude ain't cool man.Maybe Max Hall was right after all.
The Whittingham's may have great football minds but they lack
class..err...common sense. Fred just burned any bridge of ever being associated
with BYU. He owes his football career in part to the opportunities BYU and
Lavell provided for him. To offer the 'disdain' comment wasn't
very bright or classy.Better start winning in the Pac12 or you will
be moving out of Utah for your next job. Does this surprise anyone
though? They blamed a fan confrontation on the BYU fan when in fact it was the
Whittingham kid who took a phone away and threw it. Classy!
I agree totally with thebigsamoan. I'd love to see Utah win the Pac10,
except for all the garbage SOME Ute fans would throw at BYU. I'd also love
to see BYU make it to a "BCS" game, but would also hate the garbage SOME
BYU fans would throw at Utah. You don't make yourself better by putting
someone else down. Go BYU, go Utes--except when you play BYU.
Great story, thanks Dirk and DN!
Coach Whit's six recruiting classes before the PAC 12 announcement had an
average ranking of 53.The three recruiting classes since the PAC 12
announcement have an average ranking of 36.That overall talent
improvement is going to begin to show itself on the field this year.Thanks PAC 12 and thanks Fred Whit Jr.
I have to admit this one really hurts me. I was a middle school kid playing
full back for Star Valley Jr. High and my favorite BYU player was Freddy
Whittingham (as Jay Monsen called him). I even liked him more than Ty Detmer.
I don't like the color he wears now, but I would like to wish all the luck
in the world to my football hero when I was in middle school.
Glad to know BYU has deep roots in the Ute program! And despite the ugliness
that rears its head much too often in the rivalry, one thing is crystal
clear...the two programs are inseparably connected. It's unfortunate that
fans of both sides have added hate and bitterness in the mix. Even more
unfortunate is it's happening dead smack in the midst of a people raised in
a faith where love, compassion, tolerance, and kindness are strongly emphasized
and taught.Good luck to the Whittinghams! Glad BYU played a part in
your football lives! Just sad to hear there's much disdain now in your
family towards a program you once loved. Go Cougs! And best of
luck to the Utes too!
Glad to have you on board Fred!! Choose The Red!!Go Utes!!