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Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 1:10 p.m. MDT

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@deductive reasoning

"Athlon Magazine recently named BYU's 1979 through 1985 era one the Top 25 DYNASTIES during the AP era."

What did they name BYU during the BCS era? A "Quest Still in Progress"?

"BYU had more AP Top 25 finishes during that one 7-year period, than the Utes have had during their entire history."

Utah has more undefeated seasons in those 7 years than BYU has it's entire history.
Utah has as many top 5 finishes in those 7 years than BYU has it's entire history.
Utah beat more final ranked teams in those 7 years than BYU did since 1984.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Cowboy Dude

Both teams are playing Michigan in 2014.

shorts
Payson, UT

steeleute
Sandy, UT

Funny when Ute fans predict a 9-3 or 10-2 it is optimism. When a BYU fan does the same thing it is "HA....pure delusion!" How is that? BYU has a new OC Utah has a new OC. BYU lost a first rounder, Utah lost a first rounder. BYU has lots of starters comming back in key positions. I'm guessing Utah and key players coming back. Utah is braking in a new QB BYU is braking in a new QB. BYU is coming off a winning record and a bowl win.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Sammy G said:

"And let's not forget the Las Vegas Bowl where Boise State owns the Utes."
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And let's not forget the Utah-BYU rivalry where Utah owns the Cougs.

Check Mate!

T.S.Zarathrustra
Salt Lake City, UT

Most of the Utah fans I know are very pleased to see the "rivalry" fade away. The acrimony involved with the game such as is demonstrated in these comments, is best seen in the rear view mirror. Why play this game with so many enjoyable challenges ahead of us.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@killarney
You like so many other BYU fans are still trying to live in the 70's and 80's. Please turn your calendar over this is 2013,BYU has not been feared by the Utes in the last 20 years if ever. Fact is Utah is just tired of your stick.It's not Utah begging to play BYU! It's BYU begging to play Utah. Utah has a full schedule of quality teams that BYU is just begging to play.

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Uteology,

Your desperation is quite apparent. Remember that one primary reason why the BCS was created was because BYU beat Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl. The BCS will be dead very quickly.

Only the Ute fans like you beat their chests and crow about being a bride's maid. Its simply pathetic. Two good seasons does not make a dynasty or even a national brand; especially when your team has been ranked in the final polling like what, 5 times ever?

Finally Check your facts. Final rankings for 1984 has BYU consensus #1 and 1996 consensus #5. Even Wikipedia got that right.

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Uteology,

Tell us when BYU has had a losing season in the last seven years. How about the Utes? I will make that one easy, last year.

FYI, your attempt to minimize BYU being recognized by Athlon as having a dynasty fails miserably, is a red herring and illogical. The fact is what it is. Are you going minimize Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan, etc. because their dynasties were in the AP era?

There is no dynasty in the BCS's very short era by a single college team. About the only thing one can say is that the SEC has dominated. Utah does not belong to the SEC.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

MacNasty

How did Utah fare against the big bad SEC? Who's the last non-SEC team to beat Alabama?

You do realize that the PAC 12 has played the SEC dead even since 2000 don't you?

Just askin.....

Tell us about BYU's BCS bowl games; that one is easy, none

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Silent Lurker

"BYU fans are still trying to live in the 70's and 80's."

LOL!

Bronco/Kyle era (current era)

Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

10+ Win Seasons
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Overall Record
Bronco 74-29
Kyle 70-32

Bowl Games
Bronco 8
Kyle 7

Year-by-Year Overall Winner/Ranking/Record (AP/Coaches/Sagarin)
Utah 2005 unranked/#55 BYU(6-6) < unranked/#51 Utah(7-5)
BYU 2006 #16/#15/#19 BYU(11-2) > unranked/#54 Utah(8-5)
BYU 2007 #14/#15/#17 BYU(11-2) > unranked/#34 Utah(9-4)
Utah 2008 #25/#21/#32 BYU(10-3) < #2/#4/#5 Utah(13-0)
BYU 2009 #12/#12/#15 BYU(11-2) > #18/#18/#24 Utah(10-3)
Utah 2010 unranked/#45 BYU(7-6) < ur/#23/#26 Utah(10-3)
BYU 2011 #26/#25/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
BYU 2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)

Bronco has finished with a better record and higher ranking in 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

It looks like Skywalker left out head to head games and BCS games. Now that's curious? Just an over sight I'm sure.

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Spokane Ute,

Huh,when did Utah get its invite to the PAC. I think it was 2010. Talk about trying to ride coat tails. How many national championships have the Utes won since being members of the PAC. You talk the talk, but you have not even taken one step in walking the walk. Feeling superior by just association is a fantasy. Most everyone see you taking advantage of the PAC's reputation, and in return contributing to this point, nothing.

Utah did beat a discouraged Alabama team that did not have its best player playing in the game. Was that like 5 years ago? BTW, I rooted for the Utes that game.

BYU went into SEC country and won two years ago. OK? I can just hear you say, "yeah but that was Mississippi." That is right. I guess a team who was a member of the WAC (which Ute fans continually belittle), Utah State, can say they beat a PAC 12 team last year. I can just hear fans from other PAC 12 schools say, "yeah,but that was just Utah."

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Re: Spokane fan,

Did the Utes win a national championship in the BCS era? No, and really nobody cares who came in second or fifth. Brides' maids are not remembered except in their own minds.

The BCS ends this year as in goes away, rides into the sunset, terminates, over, done, fin.

Time to move on.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

Still trying to pretend that 1/12th of a season is the measuring stick for determining which team is better?

Was Texas A&M(11-2) better than BCS National Champion Alabama(13-1) in 2012?

(If so, then why didn't Texas A&M play in the BCS Championship game which is supposed to match the two BEST teams in the country?)

Was Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5) in 2011?
Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4) in 2007?

Answer those questions honestly and without any qualifiers and you'll have your answer why head-to-head isn't the most important factor in determining which team is better.

steeleute
Sandy, UT

shorts,

I have not heard any Utah fan predict a 9 or 10 win season this year.

deductive reasoning,

To be a legacy program like Oklahoma you have to actually make it to BCS games and WIN them. Something Utah has done twice in the last decade. BYU hasn't even been able to sniff at BCS bowl.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

"What did they [Athlon Magazine] name BYU during the BCS era?

One of "College Football's Top 25 Greatest Dynasties of the AP Era" (1936 to present), of which the BCS era is only a minor subset.

Boise State (2006-11) and TCU (2008-11) were both mentioned in "Best of the Rest"

Utah's brief little flash-in-the-pan successes in 2004 and 2008 didn't even rate a mention.

MacNasty
Rexburg, ID

Re: 965

The stats are the stats. Nothing delusional about them. They are what they are. You need to be reminded that Utah was only in the PAC 2011, 2012. Before that it was in the MWC as was BYU with the same type schedule, OK? The two years you have been in the PAC the Utes did not play the best teams and still came up around the bottom. This year the Utes will play both Oregon and Stanford.

Oh yeah, using your logic, like you said of Notre Dame, let's say of USC, Stanford and Oregon; they won't be as good as last year, even less since they didn't play in the BCS NC.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

MacNasty said, "There is no dynasty in the BCS's very short era by a single college team. About the only thing one can say is that the SEC has dominated. Utah does not belong to the SEC."

Bama is the Dynasty and Utah thumped them.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

steeleute

Sorry to disappoint U, but legacy programs are built over decades of continual success, not with a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons.

BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977 (18 of 36 seasons; 50%), with a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, 6 National College Football Hall of Fame Players, and 15 National Individual Award Winners.

Utah only has FIVE AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history. Utah's team and players have never won a single national award of any kind.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

"Bama is the Dynasty and Utah thumped them."

Utah thumped Alabama in an off year when the Utes played a disinterested Alabama team that never considered Utah much of a threat.

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