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Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 1:10 p.m. MDT

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uteBusters
Park City, UT

twofer

"So you're saying that what BYU did in the 80's will somehow have an impact on the upcoming season?"

What BYU did in the 80's established a track record that has been validated over and over by consistent Top 25 finishes since 1977 (18 in 36 years).

That pattern has continued into the Bronco/Kyle era.

Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

When it comes to ranking teams at the end of a season, voters remember which teams have been perennial contenders, and which teams have been perennial pretenders.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

Let's compare....
BYU (4-4), at Notre Dame in 2012, when Notre Dame was ranked #5.
Notre Dame 17...BYU 14

To

Utah at Notre Dame in 2010, when Utah was ranked #14 and N.D was 5-5..
Notre Dame 28...Utah 3

Ouch!

sammyg
Springville, UT

Spokane Ute

".... Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl year, after year, after year..."

When the PAC10 announced their tie-in to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl they were thinking of the U maybe someday making sixth place. Then they thought well we will make easier and have that seventh bowl game as a back-up in New Mexico.

I love how hypocritical Ute fans disparage the very bowl games the PAC 10.2 embraced for the bottom dwellers of their conference.

And let's not forget the Las Vegas Bowl where Boise State owns the Utes.

You Utes would have been stampeding the ticket office for a seat at either of those 'lower tier' bowl games. LOL

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Say, what?

"The self-proclaimed unscientific poll sheds an interesting light on the passion and importance that fans place on the game each year."

Unscientific polls are just that, unscientific.

Because they are unsubstantiated, unreliable, un-replicatable, statistically insignificant, and useless.

Ask anyone who has actually passed Statistics 101.

steeleute
Sandy, UT

BYU fans crack me up. Utah goes 8-5 their first year (2012) in the Pac and it is dubbed as a bad season by BYU fans, yet when BYU goes 8-5 last year with a much easier schedule it is a GREAT season. So hypocritical. I love the fact that some BYU fans are so delusional that they honestly think, going forward in the next few years, that they are more primed to compete for a BCS bowl game than Utah. First of all, did it ever cross your minds that you are going into the hardest schedule in BYU school history this year? And that for the two years that BYU has been independent they have they have averaged a 65 ranking for recruiting (70 for 2013 and 61 in 2012 according to Rivals). You will find out the hard way this year, just as Utah did last year, that more depth and talent is necessary to compete with better teams and you simply don't have it. I know the Utes aren't world beaters but at least they have averaged a 36 rating (28 in 2012 and 44 in 2013).

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to Uteanymous on 5/28 @ 23:33

Utes will go to the Rose Bowl long before the y EVER cracks the BCS or whatever collective The big boys (P12, etc...) play in.

To Bluto on 5/29.

Thanks for the history lesson. NOT! Get back to us when byu is a true legacy program like OU, Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Bama, etc...

GK Willington
Salt Lake City, UT

to AZUTE1 5/29 3:36p

Using a byu's favorite tool (circular logic) against them; that's funny.

steeleute
Sandy, UT

I believe that our past 2 years of recruiting will come to fruition this year as we have addressed many of the areas that we struggled with last year (OL depth, QB stability, WR depth, RB depth, LB depth, etc.). I get that the recruiting ranking and star system isn't always accurate but its simple numbers that the better recruiting classes mean the better talent which equals more wins. Couple Utah's depth with a 7 home game schedule and the fact that they don't leave the state til October, an 8-4 season is an attainable goal. Most likely though, the Utes go 7-5 or 6-6. But if I were a BYU fan I would be very worried, its already clear that Taysom will have knee problems, especially with his most recent injury. You only have 1 great WR in Hoffman. The U lost Star which will be tough to replace but you lost Ansah which will have just as equal difficulty in replacing. You also lost your best corner in Hadley. The U replaces corners as well but our Db's last year were not worth bragging about anyway and we have very speedy guys replacing them.

Hegdehog
Bountiful, UT

@AZUtE1
"For instance, byu's SOS ranked 96th out of 98 total D-1 schools ranked in 1984, beginning with 3-7-1 PITT and ending with 6-6 Michigan."

Are you inferring when a team goes undefeated isn't deserving of a shot at a NC if their SOS is weak? Hypothetically speaking, What if it's a team as good as Alabama was last year but they happen to be in a lousy conference that gives them a terrible SOS? Does that make them lousy? There's not a lot of control a team has over getting quality opponents on their schedule (ute fans should know this) when you're in a big conference.

Also teams are typically scheduled several years out. They might have been a top 25 ranked team when you scheduled them but 5-7 yrs later when you actually play them they might have gone through one or more coaching changes and could be absolutely terrible. SOS is just a small piece of the story, even in the BCS rankings it's only a small piece and carries no more weight than the number of losses a team has or it's avg ranking in the polls.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@mussingaround
I stated that the DN (Deseret News) was stroking the egos of the little independent fans down south. Not myself or the Utah fan base. It has been the BYU fans complaining because Utah does not want to waste a game playing them any longer. BYU has been left behind, none of the big five conferences want them so they have no choice but to go it alone.(Independently)

@arrogant chickens
Actually Dr. Hill stated that "they did not want to play both teams in the same year". You drew the conclusion of not being good enough. After all Utah has won eight of the last eleven and the last three in a row, BYU has hardly the record of an opponent striking the fear of being played by Utah.

steeleute
Sandy, UT

BYU's record for 2013: 5-7
You heard it here first. They lost talent (Like a top 5 NFL pick) from a 7-5 team and play a much harder schedule, yet they think somehow they are going 9-3 or 10-2? HA....pure delusion! Utah has found QB stability and added much depth, add in a proven offensive coordinator with up tempo offense and a bowl game will be attended this year by Utah.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@arrogant chickens
Actually Dr. Hill stated that "Utah did not want to play both teams in the same year". You drew the conclusion of not being good enough. After all Utah has won eight of the last eleven and the last three in a row, this is hardly the record of an opponent striking fear in the hearts of the Utes. Truth is Utah views this as a nothing game when played. (nothing to win and nothing to lose)

killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

Silent Lurker

"BYU has hardly the record of an opponent striking the fear of being played by Utah."

Don't kid yourself; BYU is EXACTLY the type of opponent that strikes fear into the hill crowd.

It doesn't take a genius to infer that when Chris Hill chose to drop BYU in favor Fresno St that he was simply being realistic enough to recognize that Utah's recent head-to-head success could easily turn in BYU's favor and that locking in two OOC losses for 2014 and 2015 could easily prevent the Utes from qualifying for a bowl.

A team that isn't capable of finishing with a winning PAC record MUST win at least two OOC games in order to be bowl eligible.

13 of the last 16 BYU-Utah games including most of the games during the disastrous Crowton era were decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

Despite what the kids on hill may claim, BYU is a serious threat to Utah's bowl chances.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Mister J

"Utes will go to the Rose Bowl long before the Y EVER cracks the BCS or whatever...[blah, blah, blah"

Utah fans are fond of making wild predictions based on nothing but their own crimson-colored fantasies.

BYU is a LOT closer to being a legacy program like Oklahoma than the Utes will ever be.

Athlon Magazine recently named BYU's 1979 through 1985 era one the Top 25 DYNASTIES during the AP era.

TCU and Boise St were also mentioned, but the Utes were completely ignored.

BYU had more AP Top 25 finishes during that one 7-year period, than the Utes have had during their entire history.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

Yes, it's everyone's dream to beat the Cougars. This story is just additional proof. It's not an easy burden, but it's what we face for being such a great all around institution with high standards What a great compliment it is that folks admire the Cougars so much.

Wingnut1
USA, UT

Of course Utah fans would say that! They didn't make it to a bowl game! If they had lost to BYU, but still gone to a bowl game and BYU didn't go to a bowl game, they would say that the bowl game is more important. BYU fans say the bowl game is more important because we lost to Utah and then went to the bowl game. It all depends on the situation people are in.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

The nation watched as Utah fans rushed the field THREE times for one victory over an arch-rival they're suddenly claiming they don't care about because beating BYU has become so predictable and routine.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt; it apparently gushes from a hill in SLC.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

Beat BYU or beat USC?
Another silly question. Yes.

I for one...USC...duh.

BYU is not close to the game of the year.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

So, what I get from these comments is that the BYU stadium is really really big and the Utah stadium is too small.

I think the Utes should play their November home games in Provo, since BYU's home season is over.

...problem solved.

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Those that can't cheer for more than one team is missing out on half the fun.

BYU is going into the toughest season of their lives. I really hope they do well. I am excited to go to the Texas game.

Utah is into the toughest season ever with Stanford and Oregon. I will be at the Stanford game and in L.A. for the USC game.

Call me delusional, but I hope to see all wins.

As for the rivalry, a break will be healthy. I think most fans would choose to stop the Utah/BYU game for a year or two if both teams could play Michigan.

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