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Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 1:10 p.m. MDT

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Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

WACpaddled

"Since when did those things become prerequisites to be good in sports?"

The first two, not so much, but significant accomplishments on a national scale IS a pre-requisite to being considered "good" in sports on a national scale.

In the 20-year history of the Director's Cup, which recognizes overall accomplishments of men's and women's programs across all sports, BYU has finished ahead of Utah 20 out of 20 years, usually by 20 to 40 places.

Since 1972, USC(25) and UCLA(20) are the only Western teams with more football Top 25 finishes than BYU(18). Utah(6) isn't even close.

Hegdehog
Bountiful, UT

This is news?! I thought it was universally understood and accepted that this was the case. Of course ute fans care more about beating BYU than they do playing in a bowl game. The BYU game IS their bowl game.

I do openly acknowledge NV's point that fewer Ute fans would be willing to trade the Rose Bowl for a victory over BYU.

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

This is why the Utes don't win games in the PAC 12. Time to move on from BYU folks. Ute fans love to crow about their membership in the PAC 12, but now it's time to start acting like a real member. Time to set your sights above an over-rated, over-hyped, weakling independent. I can't fathom why any Ute fan would not see the greater value in wins over Cal, UCLA, USC, Wash, etc over an unimpressive independent that mostly loses to the top teams in the nation. Come on!

Oregonian
Sherwood, OR

Imagine what the results would be if the question was between Utah going to a bowl game or beating Colorado, their real rival.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Wac padding

Outside of BYU's 23 Conference Champoinships over 40 years (compared to Utah's 5 in 50) every other BYU accomplishment is "National" in scope.

When the Utah football program can match BYU's accomplishments, then get back to us.

Until then, U are just "Posing Wannabees" wearing "Masks of False Bravado".

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Winning a bowl game is awesome, but watching BYU fans snivel, alibi, make excuses and refuse to give credit when the Utes beat them is priceless. Listening to Cougar nation beat on their chest about going to the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl year, after year, after year.........is nice to.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

FatMan86

"Time to move on from BYU folks."

LOL!

That's what Utah fans claimed they were doing THREE years ago when Utah was invited to the PAC.

Unfortunately for U, old habits are hard to break. Utah's number one goal every year is, and always will be, to beat BYU. Top 25 finishes and conference championships are something the Utes rarely achieve because that takes an season-long commitment to accomplish. It's much easier to focus all of your energy on winning one game, than to bring it week after week after week.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

It obviously depends on the bowl. Most bowls today don't mean squat. Only about 10 bowl games are worth bragging about and for those .... certainly going to the bowl is #1 above everything else. I do suspect however that if the U loses to the Y they won't be going to any of those top ten bowls anyway since the Y hasn't been ranked in the top 15 or 20 for quite some time.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ bluto

BYU's accomplishments WERE "national" in scope. Nobody cares about the 80's anymore. Much like Army, BYU's powerhouse days are long behind them. There isn't a single big-time program that brags about finishing ranked; especially when it's as high as BYU usually finishes. In today's game BYU is just another "good" mid-major program with middle-of-the-road bowl games as its ceiling. Utah doesn't have to get back to anyone; the school has moved on.

It's fun to compare records and debate about which team is better, but the reality is that whatever happened in the past is completely irrelevant. What the two programs do in the future is all that matters. And unfortunately for the BYU die-hards, Utah is in a better position to succeed moving forward. The impact of conf. affiliation and the increased revenue can already be seen at the U in the way of facilities and recruiting rankings. It's only a matter of time before the wins follow.

ajweston
Murray, UT

Duckhunter are you serious? Need to get your facts straight before you write something that never comes down son. "When was the last time a talented Ute deferred the NFL draft..." UH, A little guy names STAR did it last year!!! "It was YOUR team who had been playing ho-hum, third tier mid-majors in a mid-majorey bowl game..." 5 of the last 10 Bowl game U played in were against Mid Majors VS 2 of the last 8 BYU has played in were Mid Majors. "Hadn't been able to sell out the stadium..." What are you talking about? BYU sells out MOST OF THEIR GAMES EVERY YEAR while having about 40% MORE seats to fill than tiny R.E.C. And finally "pull out all the stops to schedule a BYE before the rivalry game.." You obviously have NO clue how scheduling works in college football. Utah chose that date this year NOT BYU. There were 2 available dates in September for them to pick from and DR Hill preferred to have a BYE before playing the Bruins. #lookingstupid

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Bluto,

Nice job of going back 50 years. I guess you have too when you have been owned by your rival the last three meetings and 8 of the last 11. The drop kick and leather helmets...those were the days.

ExecutorIoh
West Jordan, UT

A single game accomplishment over the national recognition of a bowl and tradition of winning is a sign of a desperate program. While rivalry games are important to many schools out there, few nationally recognized programs would trade a winning record and bowl eligibility for a rivalry win.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

patriot

"I do suspect however that if the U loses to the Y they won't be going to any of those top ten bowls anyway since the Y hasn't been ranked in the top 15 or 20 for quite some time."

Depends on what your definition of "quite some time" is:

BYU's recent Top 15 Rankings
2006 #16/#15
2007 #14/#15
2009 #12/#12

As usual, certainly more often and more recent than

Utah's recent Top 15 Rankings
2004 #4/#5
2008 #2/#4

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Spokane Ute

Remind us how far back U have to go to get to FIVE Top 25 finishes.

BYU can count that many in the Bronco/Kyle era.

And since Utah fans are fond of citing their AP finishes,

remind us how far back U have to go to get to FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.

On a national scale, the Utes aren't even in the same ball park as BYU.

That's why U have to cite your recent head-to-head success; U simply can't compete with BYU in overall success.

2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

2fer

"It's fun to compare records and debate about which team is better, but the reality is that whatever happened in the past is completely irrelevant. What the two programs do in the future is all that matters."

Utah fans only say this because the Utes have practically NOTHING before 2004, only a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons in 2004 and 2008, and NOTHING since.

7-11 in the PAC in your first two seasons isn't an anomaly, it IS your future.

Welcome back to the future where trying to beat BYU is your bowl game.

Get used to it.

jdub1942
PROVO, UT

If Utah loses to BYU we aren't going bowling anyway. Why? because if we are bad enough to lose to BYU we wont be good enough to find 6 other wins. That is the quality of BYU vs. the quality of the rest of our schedule. I'm sorry but BYU isn't that good.

Both teams are made up with players who have a lot of pride for there school, that is why the rivalry is so intense and brings out the worst in many of us.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

ajweston:

That's not Duckhunter you're quoting there. That was me. #lookingstupid

"'When was the last time a talented Ute deferred the NFL draft...' UH, A little guy names STAR did it last year!!!"

Your parsing of my words = epic fail. I did NOT say "When was the last time a talented Ute deferred the NFL draft...". I said, "When was the last time a talented Ute deferred the NFL draft...so they wouldn't leave SLC 0-3 vs. their hated rival..." Do you see the difference. Star DID return to play for his Senior year, but NOT because he didn't want to leave 0-3 vs. his little brother. He was already 2-0 by the time he decided to return. #lookingstupid

"5 of the last 10 Bowl game U played in were against Mid Majors VS 2 of the last 8 BYU has played in were Mid Majors."

First of all, 5 of the last 10 bowl games YOU played were vs. mid-majors. Of OUR last 10, it was 4. Second, of your last 8, it was vs. 3 mid-majors. Not 2. #lookingstupid

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

@sportsfan--

AZUTE1

"FSU was scheduled primarily for recruiting purposes, in addition to the fact they're competitive."

laughing hysterically

Utah already plays USC, UCLA, Stanford and Cal; why on earth would the Utes need a 2015 game in Fresno "for recruiting purposes"?

As for "competitiveness":

Overall - 36-29, 0-4 in bowls

THAT's what you call "competitive"?........

--What are you, the authority on how many games over in CA UTAH needs to play in order qualify as scheduling FSU for recrulting-purposes?

Are you also the authority on what constitutes, "competitive"? You attempt to ridicule/mock me here, yet you point-out the fact FSU remains above .500 and regularly plays in bowl games. The only comparison I made was to the fact we beat byu, annually, and that FSU offers an extra-benefit relative to recruiting. We all know UTAH already owns our state in recruiting, but CA is enormous and is a place we need an even stronger foot-hold in. And UTAH doesn't play all 4 CA in CA, annually.

Contrary to the ubiquitous wishful-thinking down there in utah county, the universe doesn't revolve around byu.

Mark321
Las Vegas, NV

@ Spokane Ute

"Listening to Cougar nation beat on their chest about going to the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl year, after year, after year.........is nice to."

What is better? Going to a bowl game or going to the cupboard to pickup a bowl and trying to decide what chips to buy in the store for bowl season?

If your choice is the latter than that's fine with me. BYU having a losing season is unsatisfactory for me even if one of those wins were against the Utes. For BYU, I choose to watch them in bowl season over putting chips in a bowl watching other teams play.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Oregonian said:

"Imagine what the results would be if the question was between Utah going to a bowl game or beating Colorado, their real rival."

The result would be no BYU in the conversation. Left out in the cold like the independent path they are on.
Funny how BYU fans throw "rival" around. The have a losing record against both Utah and Colorado.

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