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Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 1:10 p.m. MDT

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Was Texas A&M(11-2) better than BCS National Champion Alabama(13-1) in 2012?
Was Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5) in 2011?
Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4) in 2007?

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Yes Texas A&M was a better team. They were a slight underdog, won at Bama, and didn't lose another game that year.
Utah was better, but Colorado out played them on that day. Colorado was a HUGE underdog and pulled off a Big, Big upset.
Utah was better, but UNLV out played them on that day. UNLV was a HUGE underdog and pulled off one of the biggest upsets in the history of their program.
I don't recall Utah ever being a HUGE underdog when they beat BYU over the past 10-12 years. Since you claim to be the authority; correct me if I'm wrong. Nice job of picking some of the biggest upsets ever to happen to the Utes though. I love the way the authority hand picks the games to fit his agenda. I've never seem him do that before. Ha Ha

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

LetsDebate "Are any of the commenters here embarrassed to have lives so devoid of substance that they have time to conduct exhaustive research and collect statistics to build a one-sided case against a rival, OVER A GAME?!?"

Many "commenters" are season ticket holders and traveling post season supporters. They know because they were there. It's called attendance.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

Spokane Ute

In 2012, Texas A&M BEAT Alabama 29-25 at Alabama.

According to your logic, since Texas A&M won the head-to-head, Texas A&M proved they were BETTER than Alabama. Right? Period, end of story.

So why wasn't Texas A&M invited to the BCS championship game instead of Alabama?

Isn't the BCS supposed to match the two BEST teams in the championship game?

Either the head-to-head Alabama-Texas A&M matchup really didn't determine which team was better, or the BCS messed up and invited the wrong team.

Which is it?

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Spokane Ute

"Texas A&M was a better team [than Alabama]" - but didn't get invited to the NC?

"Utah was better [than Colorado]" - but lost the head-to-head?

"Utah was better [than UNLV]" - but lost the head-to-head?

It's obvious that your head-to-head standard for determining which team is better really depends entirely on your own personal opinion.

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

@talkinsports

"It was obvious to anyone who watched the game that Alabama was flat and played with no emotion for most of the game, especially during the first half when Utah jumped out to a big lead."

LOL!

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

spokaneute

"I love the way the authority hand picks the games to fit his agenda."

There are literally dozens of games every week where the head-to-head winner isn't necessarily the better team; Authority simply picked a few, albeit extreme, examples.

That's why overall win/loss records and rankings for an entire season are much more reliable indicators of which team was really better.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA
navelvet

BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012, including TWO ranked WAC teams; Utah only played ONE ranked PAC team in 2012, and lost to them and the only WAC team the Utes played.

When are Utah fans going to stop using SOS as an excuse for losing?

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When are BYU fans going to stop coming up with excuses when they lose to ranked teams?

What was BYUs record against ranked teams in 2012?

LetsDebate
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

@Cow Dude - I haven't missed a football game of my preferred team in many years. I'm sure Naval Vet et al. are just pulling statistics out of their memories from attending games. Sure. Believe it or not, one can be a fan and not foam at the mouth every time someone prefers BYU over Utah, or vice versa.

It's called "getting a life." Most here don't need that advice. Some do.

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

WACpaddled

BYU played FIVE ranked teams, beating one, and losing to three of them on the road by a total of 10 points. One of those losses, of course, was to a BCS championship game team, by 3 points. At least BYU beat a ranked team in 2012; along with ACC division champion Georgia Tech and MWC tri-championship SDSU.

Who did U beat in 2012?

Utah played TWO ranked teams and lost both games.

BYU only lost to ONE unranked team, a narrow 3-point loss on the home field of their arch rival in a game that wasn't decided until the final play of the game.

What was Utah's excuse for losing to FIVE unranked teams?

It's obvious why Sagarin ranked BYU #26 and Utah #61 in 2012. Despite the relatively small difference in SOS, Utah's accomplishments pale in comparison even to BYU's rather modest accomplishments.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@DeepBlue
Game, set, match....

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@DeepBlue

That doesn't fit the utah "fan" delusion. Quit using logic.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Wow, I have really hit a nerve here; awesome. This debate all stands from my position that Utah was better than BYU last year. BYU finished ranked slightly higher. Utah played a schedule that was slightly stronger. Utah was a slight favorite going into the game. Utah beat BYU on the playing field. I stand by my position. BYU fans compare BYU's loss to Appilachian State beating Michigan a few years back. Sorry, I'm not buying it. But keep telling your self you had the better team if it makes you feel better. You act as if it was the upset of the century (similar to the games you reference) You will never convience me; we beat you fair and square on the field. I suppose that the BYU team that lost 54-10 at home to Utah was also better. Sorry, the better team usually wins; as is the case the last 3 and 8 of the last 11 years. Man up and give credit where it is due.

@WACPaddingourschedule

They won't. Alibi's and excuses are the norm. Anything, and I mean anything, but give your opponent credit for beating you. That's pretty sad and pathetic; but absolutely true.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

RPI
BYU #63, SOS #93
Utah #80, SOS #74
Saragin
BYU #26, SOS #63
Utah #61, SOS #41
Game Score:
Utah 24 - BYU 21

Utah was the better team, ever so slightly; as the numbers and score indicate. The numbers would be quite similar to Alabama and Texas A&M. Tell Aggie nation that they weren't better than Bama. I highly doubt that they would buy it.

If I was a BYU fan, I would be more concerned with the fact that BYU had an average year, Utah had their worst season in 10 years; and BYU still lost to Utah. They also continue to get out recruited year after year by Utah. No wonder the fan base is so paranoid, worried and concerned with everything related to Utah football.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

Spokane Ute

You're welcome to believe whatever helps you sleep at night, but that doesn't make it reality.

Reality is that BYU has finished with better records and higher rankings in each of the last 2 years, and 5 of the last 8 years.

Utah won 5 single-game battles, but BYU won 5 season-long wars.

That's reality, regardless of whether it fits your agenda or not.

Man up and give credit where it is due.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA said:

"WACpaddled

BYU played FIVE ranked teams, beating one, and losing to three of them on the road by a total of 10 points. One of those losses, of course, was to a BCS championship game team, by 3 points. At least BYU beat a ranked team in 2012; along with ACC division champion Georgia Tech and MWC tri-championship SDSU.

Who did U beat in 2012?

Utah played TWO ranked teams and lost both games.

BYU only lost to ONE unranked team, a narrow 3-point loss on the home field of their arch rival in a game that wasn't decided until the final play of the game.

What was Utah's excuse for losing to FIVE unranked teams?

It's obvious why Sagarin ranked BYU #26 and Utah #61 in 2012. Despite the relatively small difference in SOS, Utah's accomplishments pale in comparison even to BYU's rather modest accomplishments."

BYU was 1-4 against ranked teams, you lost, get over it. That's a failure not an accomplishment. But you are doing a good job of spinning that way!

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Spokane Ute

Apparently, you didn't even read or want to accept the results of your on stats:

What part of BYU #63 > Utah #80 or BYU #26 > Utah #61 did you not understand?

BYU finished higher in the team rankings! SOS is only one component that goes into determining those rankings.

Paraphrasing Solomon Levi, Utah won the single game battle; BYU won the season long war!

Live with it!

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

upinthenight

Beat one Top 25 team IS an accomplishment.

What's not an accomplishment is beating NONE!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Solomon Levi

Reality is that BYU has finished with better records and higher rankings in each of the last 2 years, and 5 of the last 8 years.

Utah won 5 single-game battles, but BYU won 5 season-long wars.

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Reality is

A) Over the last decade in the MWC Utah was #10 and BYU #27 according to CBS Sports.

B) Under Bronco BYU is 12-13 vs BCS teams (KW is 20-15)

C) BYU is 2-3 vs PAC-12 teams in 2 years the 2 wins over 3-9 teams (Utah best win 6-8 UCLA)

D) BYU is 4-5 vs BCS teams in 2 years best win 7-7 @GT (Utah best win 8-5 GT)

So playing similar competition it's even, the difference is head to head: Utah OWNS BYU.

I rather Utah go 5-7 in the PAC-12 (2012) then finish 10-3 in the MWC (2010). I think TCU fans would agree 7-6 Big 12 (2012) over 11-2 MWC (2011).

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

upinthenight

Beat one Top 25 team IS an accomplishment.

What's not an accomplishment is beating NONE!

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So true, see the 1984 BYU team.

Also see 2011 when Utah pummeled a ranked BYU team at LES who only had a 3 game schedule and lost all games (Texas, Utah, and TCU).

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

BYU 1984 beat Air Force(8-4) which finished #24 in the Final AP poll; although the Falcons weren't technically ranked because the 1984 only included the Top 20, the Falcons did finish in the Top 25.

More than that, unlike Utah 2008, the majority of sportswriters and coaches voting in the AP and Coaches Poll believed that BYU was more deserving than any other team of being National Champions.

Remind us again who U beat in 2004 to deserve finishing in the Top 5!

LOL at your inconsistency!

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