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Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 1:10 p.m. MDT

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TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Spokane Ute

It looks like you're avoiding answering the questions:

Was Texas A&M(11-2) better than BCS National Champion Alabama(13-1) in 2012?
Was Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5) in 2011?
Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4) in 2007?

A simple yes or no for each will do. No spin or qualifiers needed.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah
"Bama is the Dynasty and Utah thumped them."

Utah thumped Alabama in an off year when the Utes played a disinterested Alabama team that never considered Utah much of a threat.

__________

Was Alabama disinterested when the lost to A&M?
Was BYU disinterested when they lost to Utah, BSU, Oregon St., ND and San Jose St.?

How could an alleged Legacy program be owned by SJ St. of the WAC!

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

Snack PAC "Utah thumped Alabama in an off year when the Utes played a disinterested Alabama team that never considered Utah much of a threat."

Bama was ranked #1 a good part of the year and played Florida for the SEC Championship. Bama led 20-10 in the 4th quarter. Florida went on the the National Championship winning the entire second half over Oklahoma.

What would have happened if Utah had played Florida for the championship instead?

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

@ Snack WAC

"Utah thumped Alabama in an off year when the Utes played a disinterested Alabama team that never considered Utah much of a threat."

LOL!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

MacNasty:

"Remember that one primary reason why the BCS was created was because BYU beat Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl."

The reason the BCS was created was because of the number of split NC's under the old system (i.e. Michigan and Nebraska back in '97) that resulted because of bowl tie-ins preventing #1 from playing #2 every year. That had nothing to do with the Indy-WACers. But typical of your ilk to try to take credit for it.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

skywalker:

"Bronco has finished with a better record and higher ranking in 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era."

Yes, Bronco scheduled and beat more FCS teams, and the weakest teams in the WAC than Utah whereas Utah actually accepted the challenge to play a competitive slate that resulted in more losses. You'll get no argument from Ute fans that there were "more wins". But just because you scheduled and beat more FCS and weak WAC teams than we did, that doesn't suggest you have the better program. It just suggests your SOS is weak and you're not "ready" to play a big-boy schedule.

What defines who the better team is, is the head-to-head battles on the field of play.

Utah/Whittingham: 5-3
Indy-WAC/Mendenmidmajor: 3-5

Edge: Utah/Whittingham

Case closed.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

MacNasty:

"Utah did beat a discouraged Alabama team that did not have its best player playing in the game."

Not according to the color analyst immediately prior to the kickoff, who remarked that any concerns Alabama would overlook Utah would be mistaken. He described the Alabama team as "upbeat" in their pre-game practices and warm-ups. Fail.

Oh, and speaking of not an impact player in the game, Utah played the Indy-WACers sans their starters at QB, RB, FS, and SS....and STILL won that game. In fact, THAT game was won by the end of the 3rd quarter.

LetsDebate
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

Are any of the commenters here embarrassed to have lives so devoid of substance that they have time to conduct exhaustive research and collect statistics to build a one-sided case against a rival, OVER A GAME?!? And then hyperventilate to expose their comical blindness to any reasonable difference of opinion over the comparative relevance and significance of indisputable data?

Plenty of good comments and banter here, but my goodness a few of you really need a priority check. If you're a professional sports analyst, my apologies and keep up the good work, but I suspect none on this thread has such a career. It seems like a few are pathologically obsessed with connecting your value to your team's superiority, and can't recognize just how unhinged you look to sane people.

Ballplayer
Spanish Fork, UT

Just shows how stupid Ute fans are. BYU fans say "why choose? We'll do both."

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

navelvet

Still pretending that even in the BCS era pollsters don't consider SOS when ranking teams???

It's laughable that Utah fans brag every time the Utes beat a ranked team, then in the same breath, question the validity of the rankings.

Sorry, U can't have it both ways.

BYU's rankings are just as legitimate as any other team's rankings.

BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012, including TWO ranked WAC teams; Utah only played ONE ranked PAC team in 2012, and lost to them and the only WAC team the Utes played.

When are Utah fans going to stop using SOS as an excuse for losing?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

SportsAuthority,

Obviously they were on that day! Are you that simple?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Ball Player

When?

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

According to an unscientific poll, 64% of Cougar fans say being independent is worth it, even though it means never beating their rival again.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

NavelVet

"What defines who the better team is, is the head-to-head battles on the field of play."

Head-to-head is only one measuring stick.

Answer the following questions TRUTHFULLY, with a simple yes/no answer, and you'll understand why:

Was Texas A&M(11-2) better than BCS National Champion Alabama(13-1) in 2012?
Was Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5) in 2011?
Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4) in 2007?

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Spokane Ute

Obviously they were on that day!

Obviously, you're not willing the answer the questions with an honest, unqualified, straight-forward, yes/no answer because either your answer would look silly or you would invalidate your entire head-to-head narrative.

It's interesting that the BCS "formula" for determining which teams are invited to play in the BCS championship game COULDN'T CARE LESS about head-to-head results in determining which two teams are better.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Navel Vet

"Not according to the color analyst immediately prior to the kickoff, who remarked that any concerns Alabama would overlook Utah would be mistaken. He described the Alabama team as "upbeat" in their pre-game practices and warm-ups. Fail."

Since the color analyst wasn't on the field, his "impressions" are really quite meaningless.

It was obvious to anyone who watched the game that Alabama was flat and played with no emotion for most of the game, especially during the first half when Utah jumped out to a big lead.

Colorado's game at Utah in 2011 and Utah's game versus Alabama in 2008 were remarkably similar in that respect.

That, btw, is why they call those kinds of wins "upsets", because the better team didn't win.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

According to an unscientific poll, 64% of Utah fans are really just BYU-haters who wouldn't have any reason to remain Utah fans if the U stopped playing the Y.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ skywalker

Like many BYU fans you like to cherry pick your stats. That's OK if that is what floats your boat. Did my post refrence the Bronko vs. Kyle era? No it did not. But since you brought it up what is the head to head win loss record during that time? Try to spin that. I know it will be hard with your BYU education and reading skill set but please re read my comment. I said BYU fans are still trying to live in the 70 and 80 or more correctly in your case is should have read cherry picking a favorable portion of time. My comment referenced the time since the 80's That's from the 90's forward or say the last twenty years.You conveniently left off the years from 1990 to present, Why? You conveniently want to include the last two years when BYU played a list of 6-8 patsies, and while Utah was playing 8-9 BCS level teams. Why? This year you have what four or five BCS level teams to play. How well have you done against BCS lever teams in the past 23 years? Or even better all time?

Koloss
Hampton, VA

Since Utah went to the Pac-12 and BYU became independent Utah has a .450 winning percentage versus BCS opponents and BYU has a .400 winning percentage against BCS opponents. That is without considering BYU a BCS opponent. Also in head to head matches Utah has outscored BYU 78-31.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

"It's interesting that the BCS "formula" for determining which teams are invited to play in the BCS championship game COULDN'T CARE LESS about head-to-head results in determining which two teams are better."
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Really? So win loss record doesn't factor into the BCS formula according to your logic. How can you have a good record if you don't beat teams head to head? Maybe the BCS formula is based on the team's uniform color. Maybe Bama got in to the championship due to their mascot; obviously there head to head competition, or games played on the field mean't absolutely nothing. Now I've heard it all; absolutely amazing logic.

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