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Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 11:55 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Flash in the pan...

The Tea-Party and their all-out wars against women, minorities, college students, the poor and the sick - have become a very vocal minority.

Repubicans stand a better chance of winning by dropping the fringe Tea-Party, and turning to draw the huge super majority Moderate vote.

But, I'm not holding my breath for THAT to happen...

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Sure they can make it. The country has a lot of fringe, radical groups making noise. I expect Mike Lee to be at the head of their ticket when they decide to run their own candidate for POTUS.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

The Tea Party and their agenda is actually a pretty strong case for the need for a more diverse political party landscape in the US. Most other nations have more than 2 parties.

There are liberals quite upset with the movement of Obama to the right to try and get more bipartisan support. For example, Obamacare doesn't have the Government Option, nor is it architected as a Single Payer solution, both items more amenable to liberals. Instead, Obama and the conservative Democrats (such as Max Baucus) threw out the Single Payer option and also killed the Government Option, in a futile attempt to get the GOP to support their own ideas.

True Liberals would probably make up 15% of the electorate, at least.

The chances of us abandoning the 2-party system are slim to none, but I'm sure people in the Tea Party movement are struggling to accept being part of the big Republican tent, which is trying to be more attractive to Latinos and other groups.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

The Tea Party was cool until the Republican Party took it over. They promised something different, but we ended up with more of the same. Prime example: Jason Chaffetz. He was seduced by the limelight, and works harder for a sound bite than for the people.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think the answer to your question "Will the Tea Party make it"... depends on what you think their goal is.

If you just accept the superficial perspective of many outsiders, and think they just want to get more Republicans elected.... then I don't think they will be judged as making it.

If you understand that the Tea Party people are not faithfull Republican party coolaid drinkers (most Tea Party people I know (my self included) consider themselvs to be libertarian or independent, but end up voting Republican most of the time not because they support Republicans, but because they absolutely disagree with big-government advocates (which usually turn out to be Democrats).

So if you know the REAL goal of the Tea_Party (change to smaller government and more individual liberty)... they may make it. But they know it probably won't come from replacing Demorats with Republicans. IF they make it... it will be by replacing Big-Government-Republicans with limited-Government-Republicans. The Tea_Party has replaced more Republicans than it has Democrats (ask Bennett). Hatch reinvented his campaign to stay in office or he would be replaced too.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

They retain relevancy if for no other reason than entertainment value.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The question is not whether the "tea party" will remain as a viable influence, but whether the powers that be will continue to squash anyone or any movement that dares challenges their authority.

We, the PEOPLE, are in control of this Country. Political Parties are not mentioned in the Constitution. The People elect Representatives to directly represent them. The PEOPLE, thanks to the 17th Amendment, directly elect the Senators from each State. The PEOPLE cast their vote to elect electors who cast a vote for the President. At no time is political party part of that equation.

If someone wants to align himself with the Republican Party or the Democrat Party or the Tea Party, it is no business of anyone except that person.

Those who cast "stones" at those who use their God given right to vote their conscience, are anything but American. In America we cherish freedom. Freedom does not mean voting party affiliation.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Sure they can make it. A bunch of Social Security gulping, Medicare munching, posterity of immigrants that have mastered hypocrisy will always have a place in the US.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

most Tea Party people I know (my self included) consider themselvs to be libertarian...

So if you know the REAL goal of the Tea_Party (change to smaller government and more individual liberty)... they may make it.

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@ 2 Bits
If Tea Partiers are truely Libertarians (as you claim),
That makes you pro-choice, pro-marijuana, and pro-homosexual marriage.
Liberatarian? Hardly. Not be any stretch of the imagination.

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@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Freedom does not mean voting party affiliation.

1:31 p.m. May 28, 2013

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Says the most hard-core, card-carrying, straight party voting Republican on these comment boards.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

So long as the Tea Party allows itself to be led by the likes of Palin, Lee, Paul and Cruz, then they will remain relevant to the American political landscape in the exact same way that a rabid raccoon is relevant to a vacation in a national park.

Natural, inevitable, repellant yet kind of tragic, and you don't want them anywhere near your kids.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

Excessive government and reckless spending are long-standing conservative issues from way before the tea party. I can't image in today's political environment that they will cease to be a concern. What really matters for the tea party in their struggle for relevancy are their far-right politics. Consider the appeal to the majority of Americans of a regime that is highly authoritarian and hierarchical, oppressively nationalistic, obsessed with ideological and ethnic purity, prone to resort to force and in general focused on policies that favor themselves at the expense of others.

Vigilance against big government and reckless spending, okay; but the far-right baggage, no way.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Can the Tea Party make it?

a. Only as long as they can gerry-mander congressional districts.

b. Only if the Republican Party can win elections. If the Republican Party can't win national elections, then the Tea Party alliance will be increasingly be seen as an impediment.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Tea Party is comparable to the so-called "New Left" of the sixties and seventies. After providing an initial burst of enthusiasm, they made the Democratic party unpalatable to the majority of moderate Americans. Eventually the Democrats confronted their errors and moved back to the center, as the Republicans must if they want to win a majority again.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

To me, the Tea Party generally just looks like the right wing of the GOP.

Cutting spending and smaller government are reasonable endeavors that could be supported by a big chunk of the voting public

But, the Tea Party attracts and elects those who couple those ideas with far right social ideology that does not appeal to the general electorate.

Show me a Tea Party Candidate that is not staunchly anti abortion. Or anti gay marriage.

Why cant you find sensible, reasonable Tea Party candidates that resonate with the average voter?

Who do people associate with the Tea party?

Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Louis Gohmert, Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell

These candidates are unelectable to the masses. Thankfully.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

To me the sustainable issue with the tea party will prove to be this libertarian claim that has been popularized by the Paul family. Republicans have only had national relevance when they viewed the government as a tool not as an enemy, because like it or not the government is us. You can have a relevant conversation about fiscal responsibility as you discuss a national infrastructure program. You can also consider the size of government when discussing national government support for education. However, you will not have any relevance to reality when you begin with the goal of getting government out of your life. The world isn't structured that way and all the screaming in the world won't change it.

Freedom is not an independent commodity you have or don't have. Freedom is an interdependent concept that gives and takes.

In America we cherish freedom is an entirely useless statement without context. It makes a functional bumper sticker but it's useless as an effective governing principle.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The notion of big government bad and small government good is as phony as a $3 bill.

We are living in a world of giants; religious, business, nations, states, races, and some individuals. They are not some foreign menace; they are in our daily lives right now and are in fierce competition with each other for control of our wealth and our ability to create wealth.

We are not free. We are only as free as the controlling giants allow, and they only allow us freedoms that benefit themselves. Our only chance that our voice could be heard is with our national government and that is why there is so much hatred, anger and vile actions against our government.

Some of the giants, states, have severely muted our voice with improper limitations on voting.

Others would limit the government ability to protect the people by taking away it’s authority.

Some would starve the government financially.

Many just work, talk and carry signs that diminish our government.

People who do these things are not true Americans and should be recognized by their motives.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Roland Kayser,

Outstanding analogy. Thank you.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LDS Liberal
Let me educate you a little on what being Libertarian means...

Being Libertarian doesn't make you "pro-marijuana", "pro-choice", or "pro-homosexual marriage". Being Libertarian means you don't CARE whether people smoke marijuana. You believe people can make their own choices and suffer the consequences (not thgovernment's job). I'm not "pro_abortion", but I belive people's sex lives and reproductive choices are their own (not mine, not the government's). That's what being Libertarian means.

So if that makes me pro-choice or pro-marijuana in your bumper_sticker brain... I guess I am. But in reality, it just means it's none of my business, and not the government's business. But not something that I promote. Just something I think is up to the individual (not the government).

I also think education is not the role of the Government (that's one stereotype you left out).

In reality (not stereotype_ville you live in) Libertarians don't agree on abortion, marijuana, etc. That's why libertarians don't win elections. They don't have a faithful lockstep coolaid_drinking following like the other parties.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"In reality (not stereotype_ville you live in) Libertarians don't agree on abortion, marijuana, etc. That's why libertarians don't win elections."

I disagree. I believe that the reason is that too many people are solidly GOP or DEM to even consider voting for another party. Additionally, they would consider it a wasted vote as to date, no Libertarian candidate has had a snowballs chance.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

The Obama administration is making a better case for small government than I ever could.

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