Published: Tuesday, May 28 2013 11:55 a.m. MDT
Flash in the pan...The Tea-Party and their all-out wars against
women, minorities, college students, the poor and the sick - have become a very
vocal minority.Repubicans stand a better chance of winning by
dropping the fringe Tea-Party, and turning to draw the huge super majority
Moderate vote.But, I'm not holding my breath for THAT to
Sure they can make it. The country has a lot of fringe, radical groups making
noise. I expect Mike Lee to be at the head of their ticket when they decide to
run their own candidate for POTUS.
The Tea Party and their agenda is actually a pretty strong case for the need for
a more diverse political party landscape in the US. Most other nations have
more than 2 parties.There are liberals quite upset with the movement
of Obama to the right to try and get more bipartisan support. For example,
Obamacare doesn't have the Government Option, nor is it architected as a
Single Payer solution, both items more amenable to liberals. Instead, Obama and
the conservative Democrats (such as Max Baucus) threw out the Single Payer
option and also killed the Government Option, in a futile attempt to get the GOP
to support their own ideas.True Liberals would probably make up 15%
of the electorate, at least.The chances of us abandoning the 2-party
system are slim to none, but I'm sure people in the Tea Party movement are
struggling to accept being part of the big Republican tent, which is trying to
be more attractive to Latinos and other groups.
The Tea Party was cool until the Republican Party took it over. They promised
something different, but we ended up with more of the same. Prime example:
Jason Chaffetz. He was seduced by the limelight, and works harder for a sound
bite than for the people.
I think the answer to your question "Will the Tea Party make it"...
depends on what you think their goal is.If you just accept the
superficial perspective of many outsiders, and think they just want to get more
Republicans elected.... then I don't think they will be judged as making
it.If you understand that the Tea Party people are not faithfull
Republican party coolaid drinkers (most Tea Party people I know (my self
included) consider themselvs to be libertarian or independent, but end up voting
Republican most of the time not because they support Republicans, but because
they absolutely disagree with big-government advocates (which usually turn out
to be Democrats).So if you know the REAL goal of the Tea_Party
(change to smaller government and more individual liberty)... they may make it.
But they know it probably won't come from replacing Demorats with
Republicans. IF they make it... it will be by replacing
Big-Government-Republicans with limited-Government-Republicans. The Tea_Party
has replaced more Republicans than it has Democrats (ask Bennett). Hatch
reinvented his campaign to stay in office or he would be replaced too.
They retain relevancy if for no other reason than entertainment value.
The question is not whether the "tea party" will remain as a viable
influence, but whether the powers that be will continue to squash anyone or any
movement that dares challenges their authority.We, the PEOPLE, are
in control of this Country. Political Parties are not mentioned in the
Constitution. The People elect Representatives to directly represent them. The
PEOPLE, thanks to the 17th Amendment, directly elect the Senators from each
State. The PEOPLE cast their vote to elect electors who cast a vote for the
President. At no time is political party part of that equation.If
someone wants to align himself with the Republican Party or the Democrat Party
or the Tea Party, it is no business of anyone except that person.Those who cast "stones" at those who use their God given right to vote
their conscience, are anything but American. In America we cherish freedom.
Freedom does not mean voting party affiliation.
Sure they can make it. A bunch of Social Security gulping, Medicare munching,
posterity of immigrants that have mastered hypocrisy will always have a place in
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTmost Tea Party people I know (my
self included) consider themselvs to be libertarian...So if you know
the REAL goal of the Tea_Party (change to smaller government and more individual
liberty)... they may make it. ---@ 2 BitsIf Tea
Partiers are truely Libertarians (as you claim), That makes you
pro-choice, pro-marijuana, and pro-homosexual marriage.Liberatarian?
Hardly. Not be any stretch of the imagination.========== @Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahFreedom does not mean voting
party affiliation.1:31 p.m. May 28, 2013--- Says the most hard-core, card-carrying, straight party voting Republican on
these comment boards.
So long as the Tea Party allows itself to be led by the likes of Palin, Lee,
Paul and Cruz, then they will remain relevant to the American political
landscape in the exact same way that a rabid raccoon is relevant to a vacation
in a national park. Natural, inevitable, repellant yet kind of
tragic, and you don't want them anywhere near your kids.
Excessive government and reckless spending are long-standing conservative issues
from way before the tea party. I can't image in today's political
environment that they will cease to be a concern. What really matters for the
tea party in their struggle for relevancy are their far-right politics.
Consider the appeal to the majority of Americans of a regime that is highly
authoritarian and hierarchical, oppressively nationalistic, obsessed with
ideological and ethnic purity, prone to resort to force and in general focused
on policies that favor themselves at the expense of others.Vigilance
against big government and reckless spending, okay; but the far-right baggage,
Can the Tea Party make it?a. Only as long as they can gerry-mander
congressional districts.b. Only if the Republican Party can win
elections. If the Republican Party can't win national elections, then the
Tea Party alliance will be increasingly be seen as an impediment.
The Tea Party is comparable to the so-called "New Left" of the sixties
and seventies. After providing an initial burst of enthusiasm, they made the
Democratic party unpalatable to the majority of moderate Americans. Eventually
the Democrats confronted their errors and moved back to the center, as the
Republicans must if they want to win a majority again.
To me, the Tea Party generally just looks like the right wing of the GOP.Cutting spending and smaller government are reasonable endeavors that
could be supported by a big chunk of the voting publicBut, the Tea
Party attracts and elects those who couple those ideas with far right social
ideology that does not appeal to the general electorate.Show me a
Tea Party Candidate that is not staunchly anti abortion. Or anti gay marriage.
Why cant you find sensible, reasonable Tea Party candidates that
resonate with the average voter?Who do people associate with the Tea
party? Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Louis Gohmert, Sharon Angle,
Christine O'DonnellThese candidates are unelectable to the
To me the sustainable issue with the tea party will prove to be this libertarian
claim that has been popularized by the Paul family. Republicans have only had
national relevance when they viewed the government as a tool not as an enemy,
because like it or not the government is us. You can have a relevant
conversation about fiscal responsibility as you discuss a national
infrastructure program. You can also consider the size of government when
discussing national government support for education. However, you will not
have any relevance to reality when you begin with the goal of getting government
out of your life. The world isn't structured that way and all the
screaming in the world won't change it. Freedom is not an
independent commodity you have or don't have. Freedom is an interdependent
concept that gives and takes. In America we cherish freedom is an
entirely useless statement without context. It makes a functional bumper
sticker but it's useless as an effective governing principle.
The notion of big government bad and small government good is as phony as a $3
bill. We are living in a world of giants; religious, business,
nations, states, races, and some individuals. They are not some foreign menace;
they are in our daily lives right now and are in fierce competition with each
other for control of our wealth and our ability to create wealth. We are not free. We are only as free as the controlling giants allow, and
they only allow us freedoms that benefit themselves. Our only chance that our
voice could be heard is with our national government and that is why there is so
much hatred, anger and vile actions against our government. Some of
the giants, states, have severely muted our voice with improper limitations on
voting. Others would limit the government ability to protect
the people by taking away it’s authority. Some would starve
the government financially.Many just work, talk and carry signs that
diminish our government.People who do these things are not true
Americans and should be recognized by their motives.
Roland Kayser,Outstanding analogy. Thank you.
LDS LiberalLet me educate you a little on what being Libertarian
means...Being Libertarian doesn't make you
"pro-marijuana", "pro-choice", or "pro-homosexual
marriage". Being Libertarian means you don't CARE whether people
smoke marijuana. You believe people can make their own choices and suffer the
consequences (not thgovernment's job). I'm not
"pro_abortion", but I belive people's sex lives and reproductive
choices are their own (not mine, not the government's). That's what
being Libertarian means.So if that makes me pro-choice or
pro-marijuana in your bumper_sticker brain... I guess I am. But in reality, it
just means it's none of my business, and not the government's
business. But not something that I promote. Just something I think is up to
the individual (not the government).I also think education is not
the role of the Government (that's one stereotype you left out).In reality (not stereotype_ville you live in) Libertarians don't agree on
abortion, marijuana, etc. That's why libertarians don't win
elections. They don't have a faithful lockstep coolaid_drinking following
like the other parties.
"In reality (not stereotype_ville you live in) Libertarians don't agree
on abortion, marijuana, etc. That's why libertarians don't win
elections."I disagree. I believe that the reason is that too
many people are solidly GOP or DEM to even consider voting for another party.
Additionally, they would consider it a wasted vote as to date, no Libertarian
candidate has had a snowballs chance.
The Obama administration is making a better case for small government than I
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