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Published: Friday, May 24 2013 2:15 p.m. MDT

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On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

Why should a high school graduate from Utah be expected to have the same basic set of core skills as a high school graduate from Massachusetts? Why should a kid who moves to Michigan expect to keep working on the same math and reading skills she was working on in her school in Wyoming? Above all, why should states cooperate and collaborate when they could each go off in their own little corner and reinvent the same wheel (badly)?

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

I am a die-hard conservative, but I don't see the big deal as to why the Common Core is considered so bad by many. It's not from the federal government, nor does it promote a socialist agenda (at least not that I'm aware of). Can someone please explain what is wrong with these standards? Understanding the opposition will help us both understand the pros and cons.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

An easier way to solve the problem is simply for states to require schools to release college entrance exam scores (ACT and SAT), by demographic cohort (segmented by income, two-parent families, subsidized lunches, etc.).

If parents, legislatures and taxpayers could see on an apples-to-apples basis how their schools were performing, there would be massive pressure to improve schools across the country.

The Utah education establishment (and Utah politicians) have hidden behind favorable demographics for YEARS to avoid criticism of our weak schools. Our students, on a demographically adjusted basis, are not doing well in math, science or language. We are failing to prepare a large majority of our students for college level material, leaving many parents and students to waste large amounts of time and money on remedial core classes the first 1-2 years of college. Talk to any college math, chemistry, physics or biology teacher and they will gladly share with you how poorly prepared our students are. They may also share with you the poor work-ethic our students are bringing to their Freshman year of college.

We need to do much better folks.

DougB
Spanish Fork, UT

There are lots of problems with abdicating direction and control to four or five more levels of bureacrats thousands of miles away from the people actually teaching.

Some of the standards and textbooks adopted into Common Core are, arguably, some of the most effective curriculum and measuring sticks out there. But States can use new teaching methods or hold themselves to standards *without* marrying themselves to all the other costs, negatives, loss of control, and extra layers of administrators and bureaucrats that come with "Common Core", proper.

Textbook companies that can start lobbying only one behemoth for gargantuan contracts instead of trying to please all the diverse school districts around the country push for Common Core. So do groups like Jeb Bush's that find companies to start and sell goods to the Federally administered levels.

It's unwise, inefficient, and more harmful than helpful to actual teachers and students, however, to "opt-in" for this mess.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Common Core will not give the federal government control of your children. That is an uninformed comment Mr. Beck, so despite my agreeing with you on most things I have to disagree here. The common core was established by the federal government using the latest research in testing and curriculum. The federal government established the core curriculum but it will still be overseen and managed by the states with lesson plans and instruction still given by local teachers. There may be debate about how well the common core prepares students, and how valid the associated tests may be, but to say it is a way for the federal government to control our children is just rhetorical hyberbole from Glenn Beck, sorry to say.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Any 'conservative', for we all know progressives will support anything that expands government, who doesn't throw up a red flag with Common Core doesn't understand first, the Constitution, 2nd, how excellence is created, or 3rd, must have a low self-esteem. Give a person with a low sense of self worth and some power and you'll end up with a Common Core idea. Thank God for Texas! Educators across the country have jumped on board the new 'idea' because they are lazy and they know parents will go along with anything that appears like someone else has the answers. Hogwash. Americans stand up and quit looking to the all-powerful Oz to solve your challenges. You can do it without Common Core!

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

I think we should move to a competency test for each level of education and let everyone arrive at it their own ways. We already test the kids, we just don't hold them back or advance them individually.

There are kids that could have a high school competence by age 10. Why shouldn't they? And there are people that it would take until 25, or never.

All our diplomas are supposed to be equivalent to a competency but they just aren't are they? Schools need to change to a kid on a computer taking classes at their own pace, socializing and where they get excellent support for their learning pace and interests.

Kids can learn at their own pace and not fear any separation from their friends. They did it 100 years ago when all the kids of every age where in the small schoolhouse together. We can't do it now?

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

banderson,

"Educators across the country have jumped on board the new 'idea' because they are lazy". Just curious what led you to this conclusion? You may want to educate yourself to the fact that educators have no say over what they teach in their individual classrooms. Those decisions are made by state and local boards of education, and most particularly in this state our all knowing state legislature. In terms of the work ethic of teachers it is clear you don't have any knowledge about what most not all but most teachers do to try and better teach their students. Maybe go to your local school and volunteer for a week, you might be surprised at what goes on.

Unfortunately your attitude toward teachers reflects the current state of the republican party, which is short on solutions and long on blame and name calling.

worf
Mcallen, TX

The feds can't balance a check book, or give clear explanations about Benghazi, guns to Mexican cartels, and IRS bullying.

Why do we trust them with education?

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@on the other hand

Consider your comments in regards to college/university degrees. Do you want at least a minimum proficiency for your doctor or nurse? It is almost impossible for colleges to tell which students are college ready. Having universal standards across the nation moves us in a better direction.

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