It is interesting how so many on this message board try to justify underfunding
public education. Lets see we look and say that because Washington DC spends
the most money per student and they don't have the highest test scores that
must mean that money doesn't matter. We act as if every student that comes
to school is exactly the same and anxious willing and excited to learn. We act
like language barriers and socio-economic differences don't matter. The
reality is that money does matter. It lowers class size, which allows for more
personal attention. It give the teachers more tools at their disposal. It
gives them a bigger paycheck so they can spend more time grading papers and
writing lesson plans, and less time needed to work a second or third job. Money spent on public education will never show a direct correlation to
test scores, but only fools really believe that money doesn't matter. Only
those who value money more than their children would support a system where the
more kids you have in the system, the less you pay for education. What happened
to personal responsibility.
Per pupil spending is a meaningless and useless statistic.What needs
to be answered is: how much exactly does take to educate a pupil?a
question the left does not want answered.Spending and more spending
is all they care about no wonder we have such shockingly huge national debt
debt.Spending is not a measuring stick.
I am willing to spend 18 trillion pesos of your money for a high quality
education,just like BENJAMIN FRANKLIN DID. This is not fair!
Unfortunately articles like this do not reflect the simple truth. Spending more
money on education does not improve outcomes. In many areas Utah has outpaced
the rest of the US in education while spending less. There is no study out
there that shows that spending more than what Utah currently does will lead to
better results.There is a study out there that shows that since the
1980's we have doubled (adjusted for inflation) the per pupil education
spending in Utah. The results show that there has been virtually no change in
outcomes.So, if money is not the key, what is? I would bet that it
has more to do with families and local culture than it does with spending money.
My oh my! I see more repubs using the excuse that they shouldn't have to
pay taxes because they had too many kids. Now they must rely on government
deductions and handouts for survival. Here's a tip: don't have more
kids than you are able to support. Here in Utah, our tax code
encourages a level of promiscuity and accountability that just isn't
sustainable. You cannot have families of 6+ anymore without being highly
subsidized by the government. It also punishes those who behave and act
responsibly.Instead of skipping out on accountability, lets have
those folks actually pay for their decisions. I am tired of my tax dollars going
to bail out someone's poor decision to have sexual relations without birth
control. Perhaps we need sex education in this state? Oh who am I
kidding? Repubs hate education. They would rather have all the sexual relations
and kids as possible and have "others" subsidize them. It's always
easier to ask others to pay for your taxes.
Floyd Johnson: Your comment makes sense. We had six children. There was no way I
could spend as much on each of them as people who had only one or two children.
But our children weren't neglected. They all went to college, most have
masters' degrees and are productive citizens. In education as well as in
raising children, it isn't so much how much we spend, but in how wisely we
Utah is last in spending only when considering per-pupil spending. When
considered based on a percentage of total state budget, Utah ranks number 10.
Spending an additional billion dollars on education would put Utah in the number
There are now excellent on-line home schooling programs in which participating
children consistently out perform public schooled children. Perhaps the state
should consider encouraging home schooling by giving parents who home school a
stipend of about half of what the public schools receive per student. With some
well-trained home school advisers to assist when a parent has a problem with a
child, many of our children could get a much better education at half the cost
of trying to educate a child in an over-crowded public school classroom.
A family of 8 children basically pays nothing (due to tax deductions from having
a lot of dependents) toward their education (all Utah income tax goes towards
education) and with large families in Utah there is no correlation between
children in school and their parents paying for their kid's education. I
would think it better to have a limit on around 4 dependent deductions to help
pay for education for the many children. Ironically polygamist are allowed to
deduct their large amounts of children (over 30 in Tom Greens case) and pay
nothing to the state but drain the system exponentially.
There is nothing I'd rather spend my money on than education. Please
double my property taxes and use the funds to buy better teachers and better
administrators.Utah schools are inferior and it's because we
hire the wrong adults.Teachers in our schools today are inferior to
the teachers we had 30 years ago. If we want to attract talented people to
teach we have to pay them more. Ask today's teachers, they will tell you
that 20% or more of their colleagues have no business getting over 1,000
hours/year of our kid's time.Fire the worst teachers. Pay the
best ones more.
Let's have the teachers work for free...heck, let's make them pay for
the privilege of teaching our youth. Let's stack 60 kids in the classroom
as well. Less money, as argued so well here, should get top results. I mean,
we'll likely create some Rhodes Scholars.
No amount of spending will ever satisfy the Democrats, teachers unions and
education establishment bureaucrats.Nor should the spending of any
other state be cited as a necessity for us to spend a dollar more than we do
now.Look at what is essential for educating students, not featherbed
unions jobs, or bloated staffs in the administrative hierarchy, and fund the
items that deliver the best educational value in the classroom. Eliminate
funding for non-value added overhead fluff.Then fire the few bad or
ineffective teachers, and most of the administrative staff, and we can provide
quality education within current budget levels.Until every Utah
taxpayer gets more money in their paycheck, the schools should not take any more
of the taxpayers' hard earned dollars.
@ Christoph. Is our military spending sustainable? Can the police really protect
you from criminals? The honest answers to both questions is no and no. Back to
education, we spend more money on education in America than any other nation
except the Swiss and the results of all our spending? Private schools, even home
schooling almost always far outperforms public schools. My point is that
government has no competition and no incentive to produce anything well or
inexpensively, and that is the problem. $17 trillion debt is compelling
evidence, don't you think? Thanks for your thoughts.
"To match Washington, D.C. — currently the highest per-pupil spending
rate in the country — Utah would need more than $8 billion, which would
require a 19.8 percent income tax rate and an additional annual household cost
of $13,013."------------When I saw the comparison
above, D.C. compared to Utah, with the implicit recommendation that Utah spend
as much, I almost choked with laughter.I realize that the rest of
the article included analysis that pointed out what a miserable and grotesquely
wasteful failure all that spending has been in our nation's capital (and so
telling of the atmosphere of decadent dysfunctionality there). But to see the
numbers so boldly displayed, as though we would have **any** reason to emulate
the education system in Washington D.C., is blatantly, and laughably,
Mountanman: do you include the military in your disregard for government
spending? Policemen? Border patrol? Our military does a fine job; as do
others in public sector.
Why would we invest in our children's education?Let's
spend money on lawyers and such as we continue to sue the federal government
over any and all issues we can thing of. That's money well spent!Let's build a new prison. Those citizens, who already had a chance and
messed up, are more deserving of 'new and better' than our kids.
That's money well spent!Education... really?
In the private sector providing superior goods and services for less money and
time are necessary for their growth and even survival. In any government run
organization the more money they spend and the more inferior their results the
more they grow. Thus is the problem with government, it is inefficient,
ineffective and eventually totally unsustainable compared to private education,
or anything else.