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BYU basketball: Dave Rose hoping Tyler Haws' season could start trend for RMs at BYU

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  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 23, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Tyler Haws had an amazing season and was way better than I thought he'd be in his first year back. This is the type of season I thought he'd have for his senior year. Now I'm wondering how will he top this season for his junior year? Jimmer went from 7 pts a game to 16 to 22 and then 28 pts his senior year.

    Tyler isn't as nifty and resourceful or deadly from really long range like Jimmer was so I don't see him being able to handle the same type of defensive attention Jimmer got when he was scoring 30 pts a night. I wonder how high Tyler's ceiling will be as a Cougar by the time he's a senior. He's made an incredible leap going from avg 11 pts a game as a frosh to hitting almost 22 as a soph. Maybe he can get close to 24-25 pts a game but I don't think he'll continue progressing at this pace. I think his growth will be incremental the next 2 yrs.

  • couglifer South Jordan, UT
    May 23, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    @AZUTE

    I have 2 questions for you

    Why is it ok for the Ute fans to go back to the Majerus era but it is bad taste for BYU fans to bring up 1984?

    Also just courteous if BYU (as put by so many Ute fans) are not even thought of by the national media because 1984 was so long ago how do you think the Utes are looked at with your last big run in basketball was over 10 years ago?

    Last of all the world may not revolve around BYU but you and chris b must because you are always here.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    May 23, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    @AZUTE,

    "Sure, we've had a challenge in replacing our Legend, but it hardly defines our overall program."

    For a minute there I thought you were talking about the BYU football program. I think BYU does know what it is like to replace a legend, and are doing a pretty good job (top 25 rankings, bowl games & victories, etc.)

    Speaking of basketball, I think that BYU's record, ranking and performance show they are relevant nationally. If you look at their recruiting classes and the actual comments of other coaches from around the country (you know, the people who actually know what they are talking about), you will find a lot of respect and recognition for their program. Weber St. had a nationally recognized player, but it still didn't make them a respected team. BYU is a respected team, and one that coaches around the country know can beat them if they aren't at the top of their game.

    The world is a lot different place without the crimson colored glasses on.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    May 23, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    But, just remember there is only ONE Tyler Haws. Let's hope the league does not hire the hockey refs they used last year - or was it rugby? Basketball should be a finesse game. Hopefully, Tyler will not be subjected to the brutality he endured last season! Play on!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 23, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    When it comes to how programs are viewed on the national stage, it boils down to their performance in The Tourney or in byu's case, their lack there-of. In this regard, there's zero comparison between UTAH and byu. Sure, we've had a challenge in replacing our Legend, but it hardly defines our overall program. byu wouldn't know what it's like to replace a Legend, since they've never had one, in the first place.

    I chuckled at byu fans regularly equating the hype over JF to their team/program somehow even remotely being considered to be a national powerhouse. The reality of it all was byu's most celebrated player ever could only manage to lead his team to The Sweet 16, their 1st such appearance in 30+ years, and no further. And now he's a literal unknown in The Association. In response to an inquiry regarding JF, the vast majority NBA fans would immediately respond with, "Who?"

    In stark-contrast to how they view themselves, the world doesn't even remotely revolve around byu. Literally, legends in their own minds only. National leader in Tourney-appearances w/zero Final Fours, for obvious reasons. LOL

  • sls Columbia, MO
    May 23, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    To all the ute fans who want to brag about Bogut on a Tyler Haws article, let's just say that if we are going to compare players from three or four coaches ago, then we should talk about BYU's NBA draft picks from three or four coaches ago, including NBA draft picks and lottery choices like Danny Ainge, Kresimir Cosic, Fred Roberts, Greg Kite, Shawn Bradley, etc., etc.

    Tyler Haws is going to end up right up there with the best of them. Meanwhile, the team up north will continue to struggle in its new league where it can't compete.

  • agb Layton, UT
    May 23, 2013 12:21 a.m.

    ekute:

    Start a trend of having only 1 coach on the payroll and not 3.

    Start a trend of more wins in a season than transfers.

    Start a trend of running an offense and not playing keep away for the first 31 seconds on the shot clock.

    Start a trend of hiring a coach who isn't scared to play Weber St.

    Start a trend of hiring an AD who isn't scared to play Utah St.

    And finally start a trend of U bball fans who don't put their foot in their mouth on BYU bball articles.

    "Lol" indeed.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 22, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    What is it with Ute fans wanting to post on a BYU Hoops article...

    All of these comparisond make me laugh...

    There is only oe fact y'all need to memorize... Over the past 7 years the BYU vs Utah record is 11-1... SEVEN YEARS???

    NUFF SAID,

  • In Reserve Sandy, UT
    May 22, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    @nielsen
    Bogut only played for the University of Utah for two years. Since Majerus recruited him there and coached him one of those years it is reasonable to say that Bogut was Majerus' success and not Giacoletti's.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 22, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Summary of BYU and Utah basketball during the Dave Rose era

    BYU 209-66 (76%) 8 20+ win seasons, 4 conf champs, 6 NCAAs (4-6), 2 NITs (3-2), Consensus Nat'l POY
    Utah 116-137(46%) 1 20+ win season, 1 conf champ, 1 NCAA (0-1), 6 losing seasons

    BYU has dominated Utah 12-3, 11 of the last 12, 7 in a row

    Utah hasn't beaten BYU since Jan 2009, a 94-88 OT win in SLC

    Average score during the Dave Rose era - BYU 72 Utah 64

    And this final tidbit, BYU leads the all-time series 129-125

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    nielsen

    "Hey sls, what about Andrew Bogut lol :)"

    Bogut was the last remnant of the Majerus era.

    The Utes were humiliated in their only NCAA game since Bogut left for the NBA.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    May 22, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    @ekute

    Start a trend of not going to a football bowl game. lol

    Start a trend of losing more conference games than you win. lol

    Start a trend of being the last team to qualify for the conference basketball tournament. lol

    Hey this is kind of fun.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    May 22, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    Tyler played well to be sure, but was frustrated when d became physical; hope this off-season he gets stronger, tougher for the pounding refs seem to be blind to--Cougars too thin, easy to push around.

  • nielsen American Fork, UT
    May 22, 2013 9:59 p.m.

    Hey sls, what about Andrew Bogut lol :)

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    Maybe Coach Rose should enlist the help of Tyler's dad, Marty Haws, who was stellar in helping his son get ready and conditioned for the basketball season last year. It was a story of love, unique training, and persistence that really paid off in a big way!

    Go Cougars! Go Kyle!

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    May 22, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    If he decides against playing PRO (US or overseas) he probably could land a job on the BYU staff helping the RMs get back in game shape. But I imagine he'll go pro, he plays his best games in the arenas.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 22, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    He's dang good.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    May 22, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    I thought I would do something novel and actually comment on the article.

    Tyler Haws had a fantastic year. Of course he should set the pattern for others returning from missions. He hit upon a successful formula and it should be emulated.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 22, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    funny how those buys above talking smack stuff. What was his name crissy?

    Anyway, hope Kyle C. will start the conditioning like Tyler did or however the system work for RM.

    Go Cougars!

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    May 22, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    It seems everyone is a little testy today. Hang in there guys, football season is only 3 months away. Btw, Chris is a confused Cougar fan. Don't let him fool ya. Go Cougars!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 22, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    Chris B - In response to your question, really? Basketball banter from a Ute to a Cougar?

    Believe it or not, BYU doesn't get all the sunday school boys (i.e. returned missionaries). Your Utes have quite a few on their sports teams, so you may want to be careful about your comments.

    Do you really want to know how many top schools offered Tyler Haws, Kyle Collinsworth, Nick Emery, TJ Haws, Chatman, Calvert, Mika, or TJ Haws? Or even Jabari Parker, who still may go on a mission? Do a little research and you can answer your own question. Your Utes offered most of these guys, but had no luck. They were all offered by many top programs.

    The Sunday School boys are getting plenty of offers, from top programs. And I like the ones we are getting at BYU. The basketball domination is sure to continue.

    Sorry U are not able to get more of them for your sub .500 basketball, or sub .500 football or sub .500 baseball. Tough times on the hill.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    May 22, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Dear SLS, I bet you think your pretty smart with your comment of "And the utes haven't had anyone get to the NBA since Majerus left, four coaches ago." Well, your wrong, surprise! There was this guy named Andrew Bogut who was the #1 draft pick in the NBA. Yes Majerus originally signed him, but he left the program and Ray Giac had to fly to Australia and convince the kid the come back which he did, all credit goes to Giac not big Rick. So how many players from Provo have been the #1 pick? Yep, none! Sure, the Jimmer was pretty high, but also one of the biggest busts in NBA history. You can add Hafa Arujo to that list as well, bust!

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    May 22, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Wow basketball smack from the Utes! Seriously?

    I can't wait to watch Tyler play for two more years and I'm excited to see if Collinsworth can make the same successful transition from missionary to star player in less than a year. Go Cougars!

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 22, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    @ Chris B and any other ute fan commenting on this message board. When was the last time utah had a relevant basketball team and a player drafted into the NBA period? That's right it's been a while. Congrats on last season though at least you made it into double digits in the win column. I guess that answers the question as to where utah "athletes" fall in the national "relevance" picture - below a sad enough BYU.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 22, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Chrissy
    A very small percentage of athletes coming out of HS are Mormon. So of course, the majority on any team whether Bama or Louisville is not going to be "Sunday school mission" boys. Thank you for pointing out the obvious to everyone. I guarantee bama or Louisville wouldn't care what religion he embraced if he can play...many lds players in both basketball and football have played for prestigious schools (does the name Jabari Parker sound familiar). Good call Chrissy, why don't you personally call up coach K and ask him what the heck he was thinking recruiting that Sunday school Mormon boy to a nobody school like DUKE. LOL...literally.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    May 22, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    It seems to me that some of the best Utah players were LDS such as Tom Chambers and Danny Vranes. And remember Chris, Utah now plays in a religious bigoted league.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 22, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    Start a trend going 1 and out in the wcc tournament. lol

    Start a trend of failing to qualify for the NCAA's. lol

  • sls Columbia, MO
    May 22, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    And the utes haven't had anyone get to the NBA since Majerus left, four coaches ago.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    May 22, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Chris B
    Star, your boy from the U that went 14th in the NFL draft is an active church going, Mormon!!! How do you think he is going to do in the NFL? How is Eric Weddel doing in the NFL? Maybe if Jimmer were on a different team he might have a better chance!!! Danny Ainge did well in Boston!!!